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Old 06-30-2010, 10:14 AM
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I regret that I've been remiss in responding to the questions/issues raised here over the past couple of days.

Regarding money being a possible motive for Patrick's death. That theory isn't based on robbery. It came about as the result of speculation that there may have been a profitable illegal drug business involved that Patrick knew about and may have been a threat to. The money thing referred to protecting the profits from drug sales and not to the money Patrick had on his person.

Judy Rust finally received a copy of Patrick's death certificate last week.

She told me yesterday that when she met with the CID investigator handling Patrick's case at Fort Drum in the summer of 2007, he was shocked to learn that the property inventoried and collected by the SSgt came from the apartment. Based on the paperwork he'd seen, it was his impression that the inventoried items had been located in the barracks.

Speaking of paperwork, the inventory sheet prepared by the SSgt was on form DD 1750. This is actually a Packing Slip and doesn't appear to be specific to PE inventory. You can see a sample of the form at http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/i...rms/dd1750.pdf and make your own decision.

The copy of the DD 1750 the Army provided to Judy is signed only by the SSgt, and doesn't give the time or location of the inventory or the name(s) of any other soldier(s) that assisted in or witnessed the inventory. Kat - your thoughts on this?

Kat is right regarding the attitude of civilian law enforcement concerning this case. The Army can probably provide some information. But if this puzzle is to be solved the civilain agencies are going to have to take an active and sincere interest in getting to the bottom of things. Their lack of enthusiasm is very troubling.
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:49 PM
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I asked my Husband to review the use of the DD 1750 Denny. He said that form is acceptable for what it was used for.

Was some of Patrick's effects missing? Or that she thinks should be there and was not?

My Husband said that he has had single soldiers (who are required to maintain a barracks room by regulation) because they do not receive BAH (civilian words: Basic Housing Allowance). It is his experience that the personal effects and the military issue are usually in the apartment where they dwell rather than the barracks room.

He reviewed the form and also listened to me explain Judy's concerns. He says from what he can tell it was done properly.

He said that given this was 2007 it might not be possible to go back to the unit supply representative and ask for documentation on who signed off on the inventory when it was brought into the supply room for storage.

He wants to know exactly what is the problem with the inventory? Family members usually get one of the copys of the form used to fill out the inventory and he wants to know the exact problem(s) with that inventory so that he might be able to advise Judy further.

My personal advice to Judy, when she goes into this meeting with CID she needs to have a list of questions that she would like to ask them.

They need to be specific and concise questions. She needs to know exactly what she's looking for from that meeting. What info does she want to come away with?

If possible, she needs to find out who the ranking officer is going to be at that meeting. (She can't ask that outright LOL). But she can ask who will be there. Then she should respectfully request an officer that outranks or if not outranks then has more senority in that rank that the highest to be at that meeting from Patrick's old unit. She can do that, but she needs to do that well in advance. This means nothing except that officer is there with her and also representing Patrick's interests too. She doesn't have to let the people expecting her at that meeting know that an officer is coming with her. (or she can ask that her casualty assist. officer go with her)

If at anytime she doesn't understand what they are talking about she can ask them to explain it to her in civilian terms. Military talk is almost a language in of itself, when you get a room of soldiers it's hard to follow the convo if you don't know the lingo.

If at anytime they refer to AR. She can ask them for a hardcopy (nicely ) of that AR and the chapter in that AR they are referring to and they should get her a copy. JMHO.

Good luck to Judy.

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Based on my 26yrs military experiance and Being here at Drum when this took place, I doubt they will allow you to accompany her at the meeting with CID. Your not an attorney, or any kind of counselor.

What you are is Press in the eyes of the military and you have to be cleared by PAO before you enter the base and start asking questions or you may find your self being escorted off base, happens all the time.

One thing no one has asked or answered is why was the civilian Courts looking for him?
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I have read all of these postings, and as someone who worked with Patrick for his last two years in the military, both at Fort Drum and in Afghanistan..I would like to believe that whoever was responsible will be brought to justice. I also would like to comment on some of the "conspriacy theorists" in this thread. First, Rust's roommate WAS given a lie detector test, which he passed. I know this because he was beside himself after being questioned as though he did anything more than befriend a peer that didnt want to live in the barracks any longer. FOIA request through CID would confirm that he was given a test and was EXCLUDED as a suspect. Also, the SSG (Army acronym for Staff Sergeant) was the most impacted by this event, so to even elude that he was anything outside of "extended family" to Patrick is completely insane. He followed the directive given by the CDR, 1SG, CSM, LTC...I think thats enough command directive to satisfy the biggest sceptic. He also was the one who entertained all calls, in the middle of the night as well as gave his heart and personal time to searching for Rust's remains and once found, escorting him to Dover...where he stayed for the duration, so that Patrick was not alone. There is no "cover up" on the military side. There was nothing done that was not within protocol. What there was/still is...is a small group of leaders and Soldiers who despirately wish for an answer and to know that their friend did not die in vain.
My final point, the one that angers me most...is...under SGT Rust's SGLI (life insurance)...he stated that he did not want his mother notified of his death and he named his father as his next of kin. Why is it that ANYONE should have the right to negate his wishes?
Please do not take me as a crass person, I also am a mother and come hell or high water, I would want answers...but to attack, accuse and make reference to the GOOD people, who were there on the banks of the Black River, at the Dexter Dam, calling ANYONE we could find, searching fields off the word of psychics and crying deep tears of remorse at the sad news; why attack them? We lived through this and still to this day all remain extremely close after losing a member of our "military family".
I pray that whoever was responsible come forward or get caught in some way or another, but please...keep to the facts. If there is a question of the facts, well, Rodney and Judy were given our numbers and contact information. We would all give ANYTHING to help them, just ask...dont accuse!!
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I have read all of these postings, and as someone who worked with Patrick for his last two years in the military, both at Fort Drum and in Afghanistan..I would like to believe that whoever was responsible will be brought to justice. I also would like to comment on some of the "conspriacy theorists" in this thread. First, Rust's roommate WAS given a lie detector test, which he passed. I know this because he was beside himself after being questioned as though he did anything more than befriend a peer that didnt want to live in the barracks any longer. FOIA request through CID would confirm that he was given a test and was EXCLUDED as a suspect. Also, the SSG (Army acronym for Staff Sergeant) was the most impacted by this event, so to even elude that he was anything outside of "extended family" to Patrick is completely insane. He followed the directive given by the CDR, 1SG, CSM, LTC...I think thats enough command directive to satisfy the biggest sceptic. He also was the one who entertained all calls, in the middle of the night as well as gave his heart and personal time to searching for Rust's remains and once found, escorting him to Dover...where he stayed for the duration, so that Patrick was not alone. There is no "cover up" on the military side. There was nothing done that was not within protocol. What there was/still is...is a small group of leaders and Soldiers who despirately wish for an answer and to know that their friend did not die in vain.
My final point, the one that angers me most...is...under SGT Rust's SGLI (life insurance)...he stated that he did not want his mother notified of his death and he named his father as his next of kin. Why is it that ANYONE should have the right to negate his wishes?
Please do not take me as a crass person, I also am a mother and come hell or high water, I would want answers...but to attack, accuse and make reference to the GOOD people, who were there on the banks of the Black River, at the Dexter Dam, calling ANYONE we could find, searching fields off the word of psychics and crying deep tears of remorse at the sad news; why attack them? We lived through this and still to this day all remain extremely close after losing a member of our "military family".
I pray that whoever was responsible come forward or get caught in some way or another, but please...keep to the facts. If there is a question of the facts, well, Rodney and Judy were given our numbers and contact information. We would all give ANYTHING to help them, just ask...dont accuse!!
Welcome to Websleuths rusttruth. Thanks for coming to share your insight.

To be quite honest with you, the portion that I bolded in your post, illustrates exactly what I thought happened and also gives a lot of insight into which battle this Mom has chosen to fight.

Thank you very much. From one military family to another---God speed my friend.
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2007 INCIDENT: Investigators ponder how Russell native, 24, ended up in hayfield; some suspect murder
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For six months in 2007, Army investigators and police officers wondered whether Sgt. Patrick S. Rust had gone AWOL, but feared -- as his mother did -- that he was dead.
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While at the bar Patrick met a classmate from his school days. This man was in the company of his roommate, another Fort Drum soldier

This other fort drum soldier, what was his polygraph results?
He did take one yes?
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He gave CID a sworn written statement. But there is no record of a polygraph.
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Has it been determined why he moved from the barracks to off site accomodation?
Why would he move off site into a one bedroom apartment and sare with another soldier?

**Not implying anything - just wondering if it was a planned move?
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Im pretty sure you could find some sort of tire tracks on the ground adjacent to the area of incident but then again, seeing that all that remains was the skeleton of this guy then most likely its too late to see this tracks which is very unfortunate
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UPDATE PatrickRust.com and Facebook Fan Page

There is a new website for Patrick Rust at http://www.PatrickRust.com there is also a Facebook Fan page called Help Find Patrick Rust's Murderer

Both have all background, photos, video and timeline of case. Please take time to visit, comment and share. Patrick's mother is still searching for answers to her sons mysterious murder.
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Please visit the www.PatrickRust.com site to see all news clippings, new photos, TIPLINE 315-629-9340 and email patrickrust@rocketmail.com

There are two BTR interviews trimmed to just the portions that are about Patrick with players.

It's a very comprehensive site. Please share if you know of any forums in the area of Watertown, NY or Fort Drum.

From Home Page - http://www.patrickrust.com/

Sgt. Patrick Rust was assigned to the 10th Mountain Division headquartered at Fort Drum, New York. He picked up a rifle and defended our way of life against the terrorists who want to destroy it. He was our soldier, his mom and dad's son, our friend and neighbor, central New York's very own defender. He survived deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, only to die mysteriously right here in his own country, not far from where he was born.

Patrick went missing from a bar - ironically named Clueless - in Watertown, New York on March 16, 2007. Six mon
ths later his remains were found in a farmer's field over seven miles from the bar and the apartment he was staying at in Watertown. It is unknown how he got to that location. He didn't have a car and it's doubtful he'd have walked there on a cold March night. He wasn't robbed and his remains showed no trauma. His cause and manner of death remains undetermined.

So what happened to Patrick Rust, our soldier, our son, our friend and neighbor? Did you see him that night? Do you know where he went after leaving the Clueless and who with? Do you know how he got to that farmer's field? Do you know somebody who does know?

Please central New Yorkers, help us find out what happened to Patrick. He went to battle for us. Now we need to explain to his family how he died. They deserve answers. Don't we owe them that much?

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Would it be possible that Patrick was gay and was killed by another soldier, his "old friend" former classmate, if that individual thought he might be outed in the military?
I've known a lot of homosexual members of our military, one of who had committed suicide due to the pressures of being gay in the military.
The initial post on here describes the roommate going to get a tan? I didn't realize it was a common thing for straight men in the military to get tans.. where i live they don't do that sort of thing unless they are gay.
I don't mean to cause a stir, i just think that the info adding up, that Patrick was in a gay bar called Clueless, likely had a tad too much to drink, and had relished over a good conversation with an old friend who was in the company of another Ft Drum soldier.

It mentions that Patrick used the front door to go out for smoke breaks and to leave. Regular patrons would use the back door to enter and leave. Would it be likely Patrick used the opposite door so as not to be noticed by anyone who might see him and be in the military?

Who is this old classmate of Patricks and who was the Ft Drum soldier present with him?

After meeting up with his old friend, Patrick is drunk and less inhibited, calls his old friend barely after he had left him to tell him that he enjoyed the conversation and would hook up again.

Now Patrick met up with 2 people at Clueless, correct? His old classmate and another Fort Drum soldier?

The person of interest is a Ft Drum soldier, the same one he met up with, with the old classmate at Clueless?

Would he have been murdered if someone thought that his behavior would lead to the military finding out or thinking that they were homosexual themselves?

It is curious that the roommate called the superior to tell him that Patrick wouldn't be present. Would someone have threatened the roommate and had him call Patrick out? How would the roommate know that Patrick wouldn't be making it to formation, being he had no history of being late or missing any?

The body was found a year after he was reported missing, was there any toxicology tests done?

Polygraphs aren't admissible in court, i'd recommend voice stress analysis testing instead.

This case sounds like a hate crime might have occurred against Patrick, whether or not he was gay.
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I am very curious why you think after almost 4 years the person responsible will be held accountable and brought to justice? I am curious as to how you knew Patrick. Do you have any idea how he got from the club Clueless to the Hayfield?

Do you have a theory as to what may have happened?

Stay tuned we are dedicated to finding out what happend to Patrick.

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I have read all of these postings, and as someone who worked with Patrick for his last two years in the military, both at Fort Drum and in Afghanistan..I would like to believe that whoever was responsible will be brought to justice. I also would like to comment on some of the "conspriacy theorists" in this thread. First, Rust's roommate WAS given a lie detector test, which he passed. I know this because he was beside himself after being questioned as though he did anything more than befriend a peer that didnt want to live in the barracks any longer. FOIA request through CID would confirm that he was given a test and was EXCLUDED as a suspect. Also, the SSG (Army acronym for Staff Sergeant) was the most impacted by this event, so to even elude that he was anything outside of "extended family" to Patrick is completely insane. He followed the directive given by the CDR, 1SG, CSM, LTC...I think thats enough command directive to satisfy the biggest sceptic. He also was the one who entertained all calls, in the middle of the night as well as gave his heart and personal time to searching for Rust's remains and once found, escorting him to Dover...where he stayed for the duration, so that Patrick was not alone. There is no "cover up" on the military side. There was nothing done that was not within protocol. What there was/still is...is a small group of leaders and Soldiers who despirately wish for an answer and to know that their friend did not die in vain.
My final point, the one that angers me most...is...under SGT Rust's SGLI (life insurance)...he stated that he did not want his mother notified of his death and he named his father as his next of kin. Why is it that ANYONE should have the right to negate his wishes?
Please do not take me as a crass person, I also am a mother and come hell or high water, I would want answers...but to attack, accuse and make reference to the GOOD people, who were there on the banks of the Black River, at the Dexter Dam, calling ANYONE we could find, searching fields off the word of psychics and crying deep tears of remorse at the sad news; why attack them? We lived through this and still to this day all remain extremely close after losing a member of our "military family".
I pray that whoever was responsible come forward or get caught in some way or another, but please...keep to the facts. If there is a question of the facts, well, Rodney and Judy were given our numbers and contact information. We would all give ANYTHING to help them, just ask...dont accuse!!
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comment below was left on the Watertown Times site on 9/13/10

The comment below was left on the Watertown Times site on 9/13/10 in response to a 9/12 article about Patrick - anyone know of a Minoa connection?

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umm I wonder if 1 of the soldiers live in Minoa? It isn't hard to figure out that someone was trying to make it look like Patrick was AWOL

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Welcome to Websleuths rusttruth. Thanks for coming to share your insight.

To be quite honest with you, the portion that I bolded in your post, illustrates exactly what I thought happened and also gives a lot of insight into which battle this Mom has chosen to fight.

Thank you very much. From one military family to another---God speed my friend.
I am not understanding what you are saying the fight Judith is fighting. Are you implying she wants the life insurance money? (I am not implying that is what you mean - I'm only trying to understand) If so what would make you think that? If it doesn't mean that what does the bolded portion mean in laypersons terms.

I am a family member of several service men and women. I would be very upset to know my son made it over and back only to disappear and be found dead.

He didn't get to the field by himself.

You might be interested to know there have been some interest by a few different TV shows.

Please if you feel you have information call the tipline or send an anonymous letter to the PO box.

FYI many more people are interested in this than just Patrick's Mom. Have you checked out his website or facebook page?

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I have read all of these postings, and as someone who worked with Patrick for his last two years in the military, both at Fort Drum and in Afghanistan..I would like to believe that whoever was responsible will be brought to justice. I also would like to comment on some of the "conspriacy theorists" in this thread. First, Rust's roommate WAS given a lie detector test, which he passed. I know this because he was beside himself after being questioned as though he did anything more than befriend a peer that didnt want to live in the barracks any longer. FOIA request through CID would confirm that he was given a test and was EXCLUDED as a suspect. Also, the SSG (Army acronym for Staff Sergeant) was the most impacted by this event, so to even elude that he was anything outside of "extended family" to Patrick is completely insane. He followed the directive given by the CDR, 1SG, CSM, LTC...I think thats enough command directive to satisfy the biggest sceptic. He also was the one who entertained all calls, in the middle of the night as well as gave his heart and personal time to searching for Rust's remains and once found, escorting him to Dover...where he stayed for the duration, so that Patrick was not alone. There is no "cover up" on the military side. There was nothing done that was not within protocol. What there was/still is...is a small group of leaders and Soldiers who despirately wish for an answer and to know that their friend did not die in vain.
My final point, the one that angers me most...is...under SGT Rust's SGLI (life insurance)...he stated that he did not want his mother notified of his death and he named his father as his next of kin. Why is it that ANYONE should have the right to negate his wishes?
Please do not take me as a crass person, I also am a mother and come hell or high water, I would want answers...but to attack, accuse and make reference to the GOOD people, who were there on the banks of the Black River, at the Dexter Dam, calling ANYONE we could find, searching fields off the word of psychics and crying deep tears of remorse at the sad news; why attack them? We lived through this and still to this day all remain extremely close after losing a member of our "military family".
I pray that whoever was responsible come forward or get caught in some way or another, but please...keep to the facts. If there is a question of the facts, well, Rodney and Judy were given our numbers and contact information. We would all give ANYTHING to help them, just ask...dont accuse!!
Would you be willing to talk to someone?

Why didn't Patrick want to live in the Barrick's anymore?

You say there is no cover up on the military side. Do you suspect a non-military person who maybe involved in Patrick's death?

Or you could send an anonymous letter to the PO box or call the TipLine.

We'd greatly appreciate any help on trying to figure out what happened.

We have been in touch with a few TV shows which are showing and interest now that the case is presented on-line and the Richard Davis Foundation has offered help. (In the Valley of Elah)

Are you SSG Saa's wife? I ask because you seem to be speaking for him and seem to slightly defensive. Here is a link to the Sequence of Events for the Service there are several service personal noted, SSG Saa's included.

Do you know who the former soldier is wanted for questioning in this article from 10/1/08?

Here's the Timeline of Patrick's last known movements. You might be familiar with it.

Do you know if there is any connection with the bar Clueless and the Tanning Salon - Totally Tan Sun Center 103 North Massey Street, Watertown, NY 13601? This is where the roommate tanned. Which has almost all
ratings. This is where Patrick Rust's roommate tanned on 3/17/07 at 7:50pm Rust left to walk home. At 8:30pm roommate arrived back home Rust wasn't there. Tanning is usually no more than 20 mins, what'd he do for the other 20 mins. It's 12 mins to walk and 3 mins by car.


This is the latest blog posting on Patrick:
http://timesupblog.blogspot.com/2011...-serve-us.html

FYI lots of people pass lie detector tests, Ted Bundy for one.
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imho, i really think that patrick was murdered for either being gay or someone assuming he was gay and the murderer was either
a. insecure with their own sexuality to murder someone they perceived "gay"
b. murdered patrick to cover up others finding out that they themselves were gay

maybe patrick didn't want to live in the barracks as he faced constant discrimination or bullying?
he was living in an apartment with another guy, <modsnip>.
maybe his roommate was under pressure by others or even being blackmailed threatened by others who said they would tell superiors their sexuality.

i know a marine who sadly committed suicide do to being gay and having his superiors find out. it's sad.

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PBS Public Eye Program 4/1/2011 on The Mysterious Death of Patrick Rust

Program: Public Eye with Jeff Cole
Episode: The Mysterious Death of Patrick Rust

Sgt. Patrick Rust went missing from a local bar on March 16, 2007. Six months later, his remains were found in a farmers field over seven miles from the bar and the apartment he was staying at in Watertown. It is unknown how he got to that location. He did not have a car, and it is doubtful he would have walked there on a cold March night. He was not robbed and his remains showed no trauma.

http://watch.wpbstv.org/video/1865341294
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My Opinion of PBS Interview

I watched the PBS video and I thought the police officers were defensive and their answers were self serving at best. They trashed Patrick by saying he was in a puddle from drugs and offered no evidence. In fact I'd like to know how a soldier could have such a severe habit and the service not know about it. How would he have constantly gotten ahead in his career if this was so? Didn't he has a physical upon his return from overseas wouldn't drug use have shown up and wouldn't he have been sited?

The other thing was Patrick was an adult and his room mate was not his keeper. How many service men go off base and cut loose a little and spend the night at a friends (girl/boy). Patrick had no history of ever being AWOL with or without this room mates help.

How can they say he was high on drugs without either taking a blood test or hair test or having an eye witness see him consuming those drugs,

Patrick was looking forward to going to Syracuse the next day with his father. Why would he go that night and disappoint his father?

They also failed to mention there is a road back into the field and that's where they found one of Patrick lace-up hiking boots. Not something which would have fallen off by accident.

I wonder if there is an ariel photographer in the area who might show it on film. They made it sound like just a 3 miles. It was more like 5 and into a deep field.

Patrick served his country and no one seems to care how it was he lost his life. It seemed the police's only purpose on the PBS show was to trash Patrick. And cover their asses for not doing their jobs.


Made me mad.

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The only thing i would add is i doubt people fearing being "outed" would be seen at a local gay bar that other military men were known to frequent. Id assume most people would know and either ignored/didnt care Also, i dont know the area but why were military men said to frequent the bar? Around here it is how many taps, what games are on, if they have great food, the bands that play, or whatever niche it gives. Was it the only bar in that area? Was it known for high quality or easily accessible street drugs?
What i do agree on is the cocaine drug idea. I dont know any other way to put it, clubs/gay bars are extremely popular for glamor drugs, and i read above the bartender stated Pat said he was "high" on something or another. I guess im trying to state that he was being told "youve had too many drinks" and then having a coherent conversation shortly after (voicemail) would most likely point to a speed.

ETA: I watched the interview, and i feel i should state i dont know if he had a drug problem or cared if he did, these "officers" should realize prostitutes, drug addicts, homeless people, and all the other things usually linked into "oh well" cases have parents, sisters, brothers, and most of the time they are tax payers, although all deserve justice.

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Slam Dunk Blog Post

http://theslamdunktrove.blogspot.com...t-patrick.html

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Sgt. Patrick Rust was assigned to the 10th Mountain Division headquartered at Fort Drum in Watertown, New York. In January 2007, he returned from deployment to Afghanistan. Following a 30 day leave he was back on post. The then 24-year-old Rust was a local boy and was familiar with Watertown and the surrounding area. He didnít have a driverís license or vehicle.
On Wednesday, March 14, 2007, Sgt. Rust moved most of his personal effects from the barracks on base to share an apartment with fellow soldier at 156 Sterling Street, Apartment 4, in Watertown.
The following day Patrick rode back to the apartment with his new roommate after they were released from duty at around 5 pm. At around 6:30 they left the apartment in the roommate's car and drove to the Salmon Run Mall. While there Patrick purchased some games for his Gameboy PSP player in the Best Buy store. They then went to the food court and got something to eat at Wendyís. At around 7:50 the pair left the mall and split up a short time later, with the roommate stopping at a tanning salon and Patrick walking back to their apartment.
The next reported sighting of Patrick was between 9 and 10 p.m. at a well-known gay and lesbian bar on Arsenal Street called Clueless. It was an establishment Patrick had never been at before and it is unknown why he went there that night. Patrick reportedly left the bar at around 1 a.m. on March 16 and disappeared. His skeletal remains were found six months later in a farmer's field about five miles outside of Watertown. How he got to that location is unknown and his manner of death is undetermined.
Joining us to discuss the latest developments in Patrick's case is forensic investigator and Crime Wire Consultant Bill Sullivan.
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The Department of the Army, responding to a Freedom of Information request filed by the Watertown Daily Times, has released a nearly 3-inch-thick collection of documents compiled by investigators during their probe into Sgt. Rust's disappearance and death.
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http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/a...WS03/309129997

Has anyone asked the Watertown Daily Times to see/copy the file??
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