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Old 05-16-2011, 09:27 PM
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Part II: Crime Victim Sergeant Patrick Rust

Part II: Crime Victim Sergeant Patrick Rust

Posted by Slamdunk on Monday, May 16, 2011
Labels: crime, missing persons, police, Sgt. Patrick Rust

As what usually happens in discussing missing persons/former missing persons: I think I can cover the topic adequately in one or two posts, but later realize I cannot. So, here is the second and not the last post on the Rust case...
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On March 16, 2007 at about 1 am, US Army Sergeant Patrick Rust, who had recently returned from a tour in Afghanistan, left a bar called Clueless in Watertown, NY. Rust had been drinking with friends at the establishment for several hours, was apparently intoxicated, and the bartender refused to serve him any more.

After leaving the bar, investigators reported that Rust's phone was used twice to call one of the friend's he had talked with that night/morning. Police have been unable to find anyone who saw him alive again.

The sergeant's roommate, also active-duty, told police that he had not seen the missing man since the day before and that Rust did not return home from the bar that morning. Rust did not show-up for work at Fort Drum that next morning and Rust's mother, the roommate, and his supervisor subsequently reported him missing the following Monday.

Six months later, Rust's skeletal remains were found in a field six miles from the bar. An autopsy was inconclusive as to a cause of death.

Observations (Continued)

--Reportedly, Rust's wallet and ID were recovered with his body. The wallet contained $80--making it less likely to believe that robbery was a motive in this case.

--According to the CrimeWire case broadcast, Rust was not wearing a heavy jacket, gloves, or a hat the very cold morning that he left on foot from the bar and vanished.

--Rust had moved into his off-base apartment with the new roommate the day prior to when he went missing. Allegedly, Rust's personal belongings were removed from his apartment prior to him being reported missing to local police (after military officials knew).

--Rust's roommate told investigators that he contacted Rust's supervisor and told him that (Rust) would not be reporting for duty as scheduled that morning. This contact was made two hours prior to when Rust was scheduled to start his shift.

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One of the local news services requested (via the Freedom of Information Act or FOIA) and was granted access to some of the investigative reports.

From this, they learned about specific angles that investigators have focused.

When someone disappears, accurate and inaccurate portrayals of the individual begin to appear--creating additional pain for the families and sometimes causing the investigation to be misdirected.

With that said, I want to be careful and respectful in discussing some additional information; as there have been some allegations made about Sgt. Rust.

I do want to offer some insights on two additional and controversial aspects of the Rust case:
  • The "Clueless" bar is known as an alternative lifestyle or gay (evidently not exclusively lesbian/gay though) bar; and,
  • Sgt. Rust reportedly discussed trying to obtain cocaine the night he vanished.
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I'll continue there next time; specifically with why investigators would be very interested in these two bits of information.

More information on this case can be found at Patrickrust.com or my other posts on Sgt. Rust are here.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:24 PM
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SlamDunk: Part III: Crime Victim Sgt. Patrick Rust

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Part III: Crime Victim Sgt. Patrick Rust
Posted by Slamdunk on Monday, May 23, 2011
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Continuing from last Monday...
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On March 16, 2007 at about 1 am, US Army Sergeant Patrick Rust, who had recently returned from a tour in Afghanistan, left a bar called Clueless in Watertown, NY. Rust had been drinking with friends at the establishment for several hours, was apparently intoxicated, and the bartender refused to serve him any more.

After leaving the bar, investigators reported that Rust's phone was used twice to call one of the friends he had talked with that night/morning. Police have been unable to find anyone who saw him alive again.

The sergeant's roommate, also active-duty, told police that he had not seen the missing man since the day before and that Rust did not return home from the bar that morning. Rust did not show-up for work at Fort Drum that next morning and Rust's mother, the roommate, and his supervisor subsequently reported him missing the following Monday.

Six months later, Rust's skeletal remains were found in a field six miles from the bar. An autopsy was inconclusive as to a cause of death.

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Last week, I ended with two aspects of the Rust case that I wanted to discuss further.

The first was:

The "Clueless" bar is known as an alternative lifestyle or gay (evidently not exclusively lesbian/gay though) bar.

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An alternate lifestyle/gay bar in a community that does not feature many similar establishments may be significant in this case.

First, since it was know that Clueless was this type of place, it could attract persons in the general public with violent tendencies--specifically, those that may loiter nearby to victimize customers leaving.

A very intoxicated man leaving a bar in the early morning would make for an appealing crime target.

Second, Don't Ask Don't Tell was the US armed forces policy at the time of Sgt. Rust's disappearance.

Could persons who were violent toward active duty soldiers running in such social circles have been loitering to victimize a comrade leaving Clueless? Certainly.

Finally, Sgt. Rust's presence at the establishment was known by several soldiers. He placed cell phone calls to what investigators described as soldiers outside his circle of friends the evening that he disappeared.

Could someone believing that he was participating in a homo/bisexual lifestyle have intentionally gone to the bar that morning to deceive and then confront Rust?

Certainly again.

In sum, the possibility of a hate crime could be a factor in this case.

I'll save my second point until next time: that investigators were examining allegations that Sgt. Rust was trying to obtain cocaine the night he vanished.
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Old 06-20-2011, 09:36 AM
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TIPLINE and email

Just a reminder that there is a Tipline available for those who have something to share on Patrick's case. It's listed on his URL http://www.PatrickRust.com

The URL has the contact information for however you choose to contact the PI's. There is a Tipline, email, contact form and a PO Box if you choose to send in anon tips.

All is greatly appreciated.

Also it helps the family if you LIKE the Facebook Fan Page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/SGT-P...70993462921196
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well a few things come to my mind..one unless someone had a gun on him he went there in a car and on his own will power . and to get into a hay field again your only walking in if your being made too or maybe to ..Ill try to be discreet but maybe to use a bail of hay as a place to be well lets go with be accectionate towords a female .. further more if he were walked out there by someone with a gun he was shot someehere that it didnt hit bone and u wouldnt see the marks on the skelleton same with 2 guys maybe draging him out there say they beat him chanced are anyone rough enough to beat a guy to death is gonna leave some marks on the skelleton broken rib nose, something . this is way out there but any chance he did go with a female and if he did use cocaine and was involved in extra coricular activities with this girl maybe his heart was just working to ward and he simply died right there of a cardiac arrest and the girl freaked and took off never tells anyone .......bran new here these r just a thought sorry if i am way way off.
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Old 06-27-2011, 09:09 AM
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SlamDunks Crime Victim Sgt Patrick Rust

Part V:
http://theslamdunktrove.blogspot.com...rick-rust.html

Part IV:
http://theslamdunktrove.blogspot.com...rick-rust.html

I would like to thank SlamDunk for his coverage of this case. It has come to my attention that a writer with Penn State is wanting to use this case as an example of how to breath new life into an old case.

May Patrick's Family find answers and peace soon.
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Making Progress

We are making progress in our effort to get answers about what happened to Patrick Rust. In the process we are obtaining information that will set the record straight in regard to some of the rumors that have been circulating about Patrick and other misinformation that is out there.

And that is a good thing.
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Writer compares Rust case with Grigar Case

Why Can't the Gricar Case Be More Like This?

06/28/11 22:01

State College - Centre Daily Tim

A volunteer writer for the newspaper in State College, PA (Centre Daily Times--home of Penn State University) uses the Rust case to discuss a missing person's case that he has dedicated years examining--that of a missing DA named Ray Gricar. He talks about how important releasing information related to the investigation can be in informing the public and generating new leads--something that has peaked his interest with the great website and info released and available with the Rust case. And the great job Slamdunk has done in writing the series for Sgt Patrick Rust.


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Slamdunk writes about other things, including other missing persons cases, and, as a former police officer (with a masterís in criminology), policing in general, travel, and family life. One of the cases he recently wrote was not a missing person case. The missing person is no longer missing. He is dead, but there the mystery begins.
Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/06/2...#ixzz1QuQESAHh

Thank you SlamDunk you are a good man!
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Watertown Daily Times Article

An article about Patrick's case appeared in the WDT on July 2. It can be read at http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/a...WS03/307029959
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Simon Barrett Sunday afternoon murder club

Please remember to listen to the Simon Barrett show on Blog Talk Radio on Sunday, August 14, at 4 p.m. Eastern. Heís going to profile Patrickís case. The show URL is http://www.***********.net/126980

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simon-b...t-patrick-rust
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Why Can't the Gricar Case Be More Like This?

06/28/11 22:01

State College - Centre Daily Tim

A volunteer writer for the newspaper in State College, PA (Centre Daily Times--home of Penn State University) uses the Rust case to discuss a missing person's case that he has dedicated years examining--that of a missing DA named Ray Gricar. He talks about how important releasing information related to the investigation can be in informing the public and generating new leads--something that has peaked his interest with the great website and info released and available with the Rust case. And the great job Slamdunk has done in writing the series for Sgt Patrick Rust.


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Slamdunk writes about other things, including other missing persons cases, and, as a former police officer (with a masterís in criminology), policing in general, travel, and family life. One of the cases he recently wrote was not a missing person case. The missing person is no longer missing. He is dead, but there the mystery begins.
Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/06/2...#ixzz1QuQESAHh

Thank you SlamDunk you are a good man!
Slamdunk's section on the Rust case is here:

http://theslamdunktrove.blogspot.com...Patrick%20Rust

His blog is quite good and goes beyond disappearances.

I don't know if it was mentioned, but the FBI is now involved in the Rust case. http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/a...WS03/307029959

I think that the release of information in this case is a virtual template for how to disseminate information in a cold case.
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Has it been determined why he moved from the barracks to off site accomodation?
Why would he move off site into a one bedroom apartment and sare with another soldier?

**Not implying anything - just wondering if it was a planned move?

I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if friends/family had heard about this moving plan weeks before or if the move was a last minute thing. Let's say someone is harassing him. He moves off base quickly. He leaves roommate at tanning place, planning to return to apartment. He sees harasser walking nearby and ducks into gay bar to avoid him. Spends some time there, leaves, calls friend- calls friend again (for ride home? but hangs up before speaking) because he is confronted by harasser.
It seems awfully coincidental that he moved and this happened so quickly.


Sorry to see there is no new info on this case.
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Some Progress

A witness has been found that has shed some light on Patrick's case and helped to fill in some of the blanks. However, it would not be wise to reveal the details now and possibly compromise the investigation.

Hopefully by the end of this year the Rust family will have some resolution.
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outside point of view... just a thought...

at first glance you can see why people might jump at conspiracy theories or foul play, but things might be much more simple than all of that:

there is no proof that this lad was murdered at all

there is no sure fact that he didn't walk the 6 or 7 miles up the road himself - if he didn't want to go back to his flat: his flatmate said he was not there the night before either, despite being dropped back there

The person of interest mentioned is said to be a soldier - and it seems people have ASSUMED this is the new flatmate.

Let us assume the new flatmate is honest.. or at least he is not involved in foul play and that all he has said is true: this would indicate that Patrick moved into a new flat off barracks and did not stay there for 2 nights (the 2 nights he was addressed there):while it is all too easy to jump on the: "he did not like his new flatmate" band wagon - it must also be considered that it was someone in the barracks he wanted to be away from - to the extent that he did not want to even stay in his new flat.

I would suggest that he confided in his new flat mate about going AWOL or that his new flatmate suspected as much - perhaps he overheard a call made to this old friend who then came into town; perhaps Patrick asked him for help but the friend was too drunk to drive that night and so Patrick wandered off away from home.

Perhaps the flatmate feared for Patrick and this caused him to fear for himself and perhaps this is why he made the early call/text - either alerting a need to look for Patrick or because of an underlying fear - perhaps he feared he would become implicated in Patrick going AWOL if he had been confided in and didn't know which way to play things.

Making an early phone call/text is not enough to lay blame or to assume guilt - maybe this guy was a stickler for being home promptly and ready for formation and his own history of friends led him to assume a lad not home by now wasn't going to make formation.

If this lad feared someone and wanted to go AWOL, it might just be a simple tragedy that he wondered off into the night to bide the hours til morning til he was away and died in the cold.

If the army came to similar conclusions then they will be aware that there is someone of great threat within the barracks and they WILL be trying to investigate internally.

The fact that the new soldier flatmate said: If I had 27G he would be in Canada if he is not already dead - or words to that affect - may well be an echo of the words he heard Patrick say before he disappeared.

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Watertown is a rather small city, and there are better places to dump a body, but it becomes very rural outside of town very quickly. There really isn't anything up there but farms, cold, snow, and cows.

I lived around that area for 16 years and at that time it was rather poor and everyone was related to everyone else. Since Drum came in things may have become more up to date. I drove a dump truck during the construction of Fort Drum.

Arthur Shawcross, the serial killer, came from that general area, killed 2 children there, then after a stint in jail went on to murder prostitutes up the road a piece. I have a daughter who owns a business in Watertown.
You drove a dump truck during construction of Ft. Drum? When was that? Anyone else? Does Drum abut the border with Canada?
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You drove a dump truck during construction of Ft. Drum? When was that? Anyone else? Does Drum abut the border with Canada?
It is not on the border, but it isn't far from the St. Lawrence River (?) which is the border.

Also, about why he would want to move out of the barracks and into an apartment ... I don't think this is strange at all. It's like college students wanting to live off campus. Perfectly normal, imo.
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there is no sure fact that he didn't walk the 6 or 7 miles up the road himself - if he didn't want to go back to his flat: his flatmate said he was not there the night before either, despite being dropped back there
When I first heard about this case, one possibility I considered was that Sergeant Rust was very intoxicated, had gone off in the wrong direction, passed out, and died of exposure.

I have since ruled that out for this reason, both his apartment and the bar, Clueless, were actually in the town. At night, even someone very drunk, would have realized that he was leaving a well lit area and going into an area without lights. He could always see the lights of the town, i.e. street lights, business signs, headlights from vehicles. He was heading away from that.

I also agree with Sailorsgirl, it is not too unusual for a mid-level enlisted officer, with money in the bank, without someone to support, to decide to move off bases. I think he would get a housing allowance as well, so it would have been partly subsidized.

Add that, according to LE, he was gay at a point in time when he could have been discharged for it, he might have wanting something more discrete. The same might be true of his substance abuse problem.
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I have a hard time thinking he could get lost in an area he knew so well. If he was new to the city and didn't live within walking distance to the bar or if the field he was found in was in close proximity to home or the bar, I could understand his ending up there. It's very confusing.

As for living off base, I'm pretty sure he would receive BAH. If he had a roommate, it is possible his BAH was more than his rent cost, which means he might have been pocketing a little money each month. I'm pretty sure if you live in barracks or even military housing you don't receive this allowance. Example, someone could pay $500 rent if living with a roommate and receive BAH of $1,000.
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So he walks out of the bar at 1am, intoxicated, alone, and ends up in a field 6 miles away.... who did he encounter outside at this random hour.
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He was probably gay. Moved out of campus. One day. One day he had left and he was killed. What are the chances of that? The guy he moved in with cleared his apartment of his affects with no uncertain fret. What are the chance of that? Ehem. Please. When does common sense kick in?

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"-Rust had moved into his off-base apartment with the new roommate the day prior to when he went missing. Allegedly, Rust's personal belongings were removed from his apartment prior to him being reported missing to local police (after military officials knew).

--Rust's roommate told investigators that he contacted Rust's supervisor and told him that (Rust) would not be reporting for duty as scheduled that morning. This contact was made two hours prior to when Rust was scheduled to start his shift."

Let me scratch my head now for a while...Umm. I think I need to think.


ummm...I'm sttiill thinking...

What the hay were the police doing?
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I think it was the Army that cleaned out his apartment, not his roommate.
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The roommate reporting him "sick"-or whatever- 2 hours before Rust was supposed to report is what makes me crazy. Who would do that without talking to the sick person or waiting to see if he was going to pull it together in the nick of time?

IIRC the military police at the beginning wasn't treating it as a crime so I wonder if they looked around the apartment as a crime scene? I wonder if Rust and the roommate got into a fight or maybe were using together and Rust died. Then roomie dumps Rust out in the field? It is obvious to me that roomie had some knowledge of significance sometime that night.
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I have a feeling it was the roommate from what I am reading, why would the roommate call two hours before and say Rust wasn't going to be making it to formation, how would the roommate know? Why didn't the roommate wait to see if Rust did show up at formation and then report him missing when he didn't show? Who did Rust get into a fight with, could it have been with said roommate? Maybe roommate wanted Rust's money, maybe he found him at the bar, confronted him they fought..etc. Things just aren't adding up with roommate's story. Why would Rust's belongings be removed that quickly?.
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