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Old 06-17-2010, 02:47 AM
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You know I was wondering the same thing earlier today about whether he had a cell phone in his possession when he was apprehended. Almost EVERYONE has a cell phone and I thought it was strange that nothing has been mentioned.

From what I have read about the case I believe that I have came across that Stephany had a cell phone and even used it the night before/morning of her murder. I would think that would be something Joran would have stolen from her along with the credit cards/money etc.
Joran did steal her cell phone, according to his statement. He also says that he gave a cell phone to a taxi driver along with colognes and clothing & money.

Operative words being, 'according to Joran' and we all know what his words are worth.

ETA: ok, I'm not positive about him saying he stole her cell now that I think about it ... will have to verify that
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Thanks for the welcome in the past thread! I will try to comment on Peruvian specific things, but I'm not a law student, nor am I too familiar with the system... I do know that it isn't very good... Trials can take a long time and move very slowly, some judges are incompetent and others can be bought. I hope that with all of the attention this case has they won't try to do anything too fishy.

There has been a lot of confusion with news reports and mistranslations... I don't consider Peruvian headlines to be all that accurate, they tend to exaggerate just to sell more papers.
I haven't had the chance to speak to the friends that I had in common with Stephany. I think it would be awkward/sad to talk about what happened.

I've read all of the pages since I last posted and wanted to add a few things:
-The sign outside the hotel room is definitely an "S" (this indicates a secure area in case of an earthquake).
-Stephany most likely spoke very good English. She went to San Silvestre school (it's british and exclusive). Her dad mentioned that this may have made it easy for her to connect to VDS in the casino.
-Pisco sours are good, don't bash them.
-Most established buildings have concrete walls, drywall isn't as common.
-The hotel is right next to a gas station (which I think has a mini-store) and across the street from Wong (supermarket), either one sells coffee. I'm not 100% sure that that Wong opens before 9am, I'll try to remember to look at the sign next time I pass by.

I'm not sure if he actually went out for coffee or not. I'm sure that they have a video that they have yet to release... I keep thinking that if he was trying to invent an alibi, he could've just gone there and actually gotten some coffee. I do wonder what SF and VDS were doing for the couple of hours that they were in there. I don't really think that they were "hooking up" as someone mentioned.
I know that autopsy details have been released, but we don't have an estimated time of death, right?
Welcome -- as far as the estimated time of death they have pinned it to be the time of 30 May 830 am roughly

I hope that you will feel okay to post your insights here. Your local knowledge will be much appreciated.
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Joran did steal her cell phone, according to his statement. He also says that he gave a cell phone to a taxi driver along with colognes and clothing & money.

Operative words being, 'according to Joran' and we all know what his words are worth.

ETA: ok, I'm not positive about him saying he stole her cell now that I think about it ... will have to verify that
check out the father's videos 1 thru 9 on the media post (no discussion) just links -- I found him very easy to follow -- he annotates the possessions of SF
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May 6 - 14 was the Bogota Columbia poker tournament
http://colombiareports.com/colombia-...ppearance.html

yes he was there
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"The DAS announcement challenges a previous report from Colombian newspaper El Espacio, which linked Van der Sloot to the case."

Something I read recently referred to El Espacio as a sensationalist newspaper, similar to National Inquirer I would imagine.

So, as with everything else in this case, who really knows what's true!!

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pokerstars.net is definitely the sponser for the LAPT - that's already been established

http://www.lapt.com/

what I found strange about the casino video was Steph looking around & hesitating to sit down & then ending up two seats away before moving next to Joran, along with the handshake, of course

the speculation that she may have slipped him a chip is interesting and plausible, especially if its true that she was familiar with him and if they were possibly loaning each other money (honestly I highly doubt Joran would ever loan anyone anything, he seems like a 'taker' to me)

but if they were cheating, well that might explain what I consider to be Steph's odd body language

she knew him but didn't want it to appear like she knew him?
It's called ''goodwill'' gesture to the mark......first person to loan the money builds the trust ....
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From your link:
"The DAS announcement challenges a previous report from Colombian newspaper El Espacio, which linked Van der Sloot to the case."

Something I read recently referred to El Espacio as a sensationalist newspaper, similar to National Inquirer I would imagine.

So, as with everything else in this case, who really knows what's true!!

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I hear ya...kind of like the fact that the next day (after the murder) there was a local Lima tournament (yet JVDS was not registered at that time) for LAPT YET he was supposed to be attending that one too. (Remember the phone call to his room- buddy was waiting for him at the warmup party)
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Joran did steal her cell phone, according to his statement. He also says that he gave a cell phone to a taxi driver along with colognes and clothing & money.

Operative words being, 'according to Joran' and we all know what his words are worth.

ETA: ok, I'm not positive about him saying he stole her cell now that I think about it ... will have to verify that
I'm pretty sure that on the taped interview with her father, he mentioned that they had her cell phone and, at the time, were able to only get info on the calls she made (which included 2 to an unknown cell phone) and hadn't yet gotten the phone co. to give them info on the incoming calls. That was back on June 6.

I think Joran gave his cell phone to the taxi drivers.

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"Questioning the citizens Netherlands Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot was scheduled for Monday June 21 at 10:00 am in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Canto Grande." (Peru time is the same as our Central Time)

"Dr. Córdova Morales also ordered the implementation of psychological and psychiatric expertise to the principal defendant, and the ratification of the autopsy and all the expert opinions made in the preliminary stage (fingerprint, forensic psychology, criminal roadworthiness, toxicological, etc.) , so that specialists explain the reasons for their opinions."

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/496089/...lunes-21-junio
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Old 06-17-2010, 03:13 AM
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Thanks for the welcome in the past thread! I will try to comment on Peruvian specific things, but I'm not a law student, nor am I too familiar with the system... I do know that it isn't very good... Trials can take a long time and move very slowly, some judges are incompetent and others can be bought. I hope that with all of the attention this case has they won't try to do anything too fishy.

There has been a lot of confusion with news reports and mistranslations... I don't consider Peruvian headlines to be all that accurate, they tend to exaggerate just to sell more papers.
I haven't had the chance to speak to the friends that I had in common with Stephany. I think it would be awkward/sad to talk about what happened.

I've read all of the pages since I last posted and wanted to add a few things:
-The sign outside the hotel room is definitely an "S" (this indicates a secure area in case of an earthquake).
-Stephany most likely spoke very good English. She went to San Silvestre school (it's british and exclusive). Her dad mentioned that this may have made it easy for her to connect to VDS in the casino.
-Pisco sours are good, don't bash them.
-Most established buildings have concrete walls, drywall isn't as common.
-The hotel is right next to a gas station (which I think has a mini-store) and across the street from Wong (supermarket), either one sells coffee. I'm not 100% sure that that Wong opens before 9am, I'll try to remember to look at the sign next time I pass by.

I'm not sure if he actually went out for coffee or not. I'm sure that they have a video that they have yet to release... I keep thinking that if he was trying to invent an alibi, he could've just gone there and actually gotten some coffee. I do wonder what SF and VDS were doing for the couple of hours that they were in there. I don't really think that they were "hooking up" as someone mentioned.
I know that autopsy details have been released, but we don't have an estimated time of death, right?
haven't had the chance to speak to the friends that I had in common with Stephany. I think it would be awkward/sad to talk about what happened.

When you have time please tell us how your friends felt about Stephany playing cards with JVDS prior to the 30 May -- if they even knew about it-- perhaps she kept her gambling separate from her friends?
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What really cheeses me off about this fella is that he makes average guys look bad
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"Questioning the citizens Netherlands Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot was scheduled for Monday June 21 at 10:00 am in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Canto Grande." (Peru time is the same as our Central Time)

"Dr. Córdova Morales also ordered the implementation of psychological and psychiatric expertise to the principal defendant, and the ratification of the autopsy and all the expert opinions made in the preliminary stage (fingerprint, forensic psychology, criminal roadworthiness, toxicological, etc.) , so that specialists explain the reasons for their opinions."

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/496089/...lunes-21-junio
How appropriate -- the longest day of the year......grrrrrr
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I have not seen an update regarding his mother's arrival in Peru -- originally she was going to be arriving with news crew etc but that was prior to the announcement that Aruba would wait until August to interview JVDS
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No friends on outside there! So he will have no choice than to eat slop with insects...YULK!!!
You never know ... didn't Ted Bundy get married to someone after he'd been convicted, and have a child with her?

It wouldn't surprise me if Joran has or ends up with a fan club of at least one member besides his mother.
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You never know ... didn't Ted Bundy get married to someone after he'd been convicted, and have a child with her?

It wouldn't surprise me if Joran has or ends up with a fan club of at least one member besides his mother.
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I have not seen an update regarding his mother's arrival in Peru -- originally she was going to be arriving with news crew etc but that was prior to the announcement that Aruba would wait until August to interview JVDS
If I were his mother, I would be to ashamed to show my face anywhere..and further be in fear of my life.... People look at her as if she knows something about NH case, and she surely does...There must of been some sort of commotion going on in that household that night... I really hope that she pleads with her son to be honest..to come clean...If that was my son, thats what I would be asking of him.. and alot of head shrinking too... JMO..
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"Questioning the citizens Netherlands Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot was scheduled for Monday June 21 at 10:00 am in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Canto Grande." (Peru time is the same as our Central Time)

"Dr. Córdova Morales also ordered the implementation of psychological and psychiatric expertise to the principal defendant, and the ratification of the autopsy and all the expert opinions made in the preliminary stage (fingerprint, forensic psychology, criminal roadworthiness, toxicological, etc.) , so that specialists explain the reasons for their opinions."

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/496089/...lunes-21-junio
I was reading the comments at the bottom of this news article and the "foolish" ( I'll be kind here) girls are saying " Joran is so handsome! I can see why any girl would go with him to his room" OMG!
When are these girls gonna get a clue??
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I was reading the comments at the bottom of this news article and the "foolish" ( I'll be kind here) girls are saying " Joran is so handsome! I can see why any girl would go with him to his room" OMG!
When are these girls gonna get a clue??
Evidence that hormones replace brains in some folks?
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Thanks to AP news link clearing up any possibility of moving JVDS to Aruba anytime soon

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...tfQOwD9GCLBO00

"Van der Sloot has said he fears for his life in the Peruvian prison. But regardless of what information the suspect might provide in the Holloway case, it is unlikely he would be brought to this Caribbean island before completing any sentence if convicted in the South American country, Blanken said.

"I think it's out of question because the case in Peru is a very severe case and the Peruvian authorities have said they do not want to do that," Blanken said
Well then, we can pretty much be assured that JVS won't say a word about NH now. If he doesn't get what he wants - forget about it. Just like asking his friend for money -- if you don't send it to me, you're no good to me.

I think that's how he treats everyone in his life.

I'm glad he's staying in Peru, but think we'll be even farther away in knowing what happened to NH

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Well then, we can pretty much be assured that JVS won't say a word about NH now. If he doesn't get what he wants - forget about it. Just like asking his friend for money -- if you don't send it to me, you're no good to me.

I think that's how he treats everyone in his life.

I'm glad he's staying in Peru, but think we'll be even farther away in knowing what happened to NH

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Makes you think that the 'best date' of August is a good opening bid for JVDS will give him time to sweat (and watch his back) making him realize that he has more to lose by stalling than the rest of the world does?
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As bad as Natalie's family wants to know where she is, I believe they will have satisfaction in knowing he is in prison in Peru. Afterall, our Father in Heaven watches over Natalie now and Joren is watching his back.

It doesn't bother me a bit that Joren is eating food with bugs in it, or not getting to shower often, or using the bathroom in a hole in the floor. He chose this. JMO
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If Joran gets sentenced and has to serve time in Peru what are the odd's he dies somehow before his sentence is complete if say he has to serve 10+ years?

From what Ive been reading they make it sound like he has a 50/50 chance or even worse of surviving. I wonder with seeing this kind of information about the Peru prisons and life living there how big a fight the dutch government will put up for better conditions, different prison etc.
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If Joran gets sentenced and has to serve time in Peru what are the odd's he dies somehow before his sentence is complete if say he has to serve 10+ years?

From what Ive been reading they make it sound like he has a 50/50 chance or even worse of surviving. I wonder with seeing this kind of information about the Peru prisons and life living there how big a fight the dutch government will put up for better conditions, different prison etc.
I understood that prior to this incident involving JVDS the Dutch government and Peru were in negotiations to create an extradition treaty between the two countries. On the 'up' side of this, I guess that there may be some pressure for the Dutch to negotiate this treaty with a view to resolving the issue quickly ((one could hope))
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I find it sickening that JVS will STILL try to use where NH remains are and anytime he needs something...He caused her death.. and using that as extortion and a bargaining chip in Peru makes me ill... literally...I don't think think NH will ever be found..I have a feeling she went into the sea/ocean due to under currents that JVS was looking up after Stephany died...I hope I'm wrong....
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what I found strange about the casino video was Steph looking around & hesitating to sit down & then ending up two seats away before moving next to Joran, along with the handshake, of course

the speculation that she may have slipped him a chip is interesting and plausible, especially if its true that she was familiar with him and if they were possibly loaning each other money (honestly I highly doubt Joran would ever loan anyone anything, he seems like a 'taker' to me)

but if they were cheating, well that might explain what I consider to be Steph's odd body language

she knew him but didn't want it to appear like she knew him?
Yea, I understand what youre saying, but I thought Steph's body language looked odd everywhere she was caught on camera, walking down the street, in the hotel, in the casino. It may just be the way she is, everybody is different, but it looked like she kept her head down a lot and sort of walked like she was flat-footed. I thought it looked weird but Im not sure if its normal for her.

I agree with your last sentence, except for the video on the street she almost looked like she didnt want people to know she was with JVDS. I heard Holloways father saying he thought she may have been drugged from how she acted on the video. Im not sure, it could be true. Even if JVDS's motive was simple robbery, which I think it was as of now, he could have drugged her to make the crime easier on him and her. But I saw something about drugs in Stephs system, were there any illegals in her system at death?
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Yea, I understand what youre saying, but I thought Steph's body language looked odd everywhere she was caught on camera, walking down the street, in the hotel, in the casino. It may just be the way she is, everybody is different, but it looked like she kept her head down a lot and sort of walked like she was flat-footed. I thought it looked weird but Im not sure if its normal for her.
I listened to her father's interview (tapes 1-9 on the media link board ) and he too thought she looked ''unnatural for her normal ways''
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