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Old 06-17-2010, 11:08 AM
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From what I have read and am anticipating dealing with when a friend goes in, federal is even different from the various state prisons. Will relate more when I learn more.
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Imagine 12 showers running only 1 time a week for 15 mins. for 600 persons.
It'd be days before many could wash.
It would take months, if the figure that was reported is correct. (Even assuming a 3-minute shower for each person, that's only 60 individual showers per week and 2 and a half months for each person to get his 3 minutes of water.)

I wonder if they meant that there are only 12 showers for 600 inmates and therefore each inmate can only take one 15 minute shower per week (rather than that the showers themselves only work once each week).

Either way, pretty filthy by modern standards.

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Old 06-17-2010, 11:09 AM
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O/T I would guess Casey qualifies for the indigent package. I am sure that if she is entitled she will take it and at Cindy and George's urging. Anything to further burden the taxpayers of FL.

If she has money on her books I wouldn't think she would qualify. JMO
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:10 AM
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At least hopefully he'll be locked up forever, where he can't kill any more innocent people, but it bugs me that they seem to be coddling him--he gets to watch tv-- and how does he manage to get showers every day when everyone else gets them once a week?
If it is true, since the reporting is so messed up, I would think he gets better treatment b/c of the worldwide attention. Peru has had many issued about their jails and how foreigners in them are mistreated for the last few years. They don't want any flack about this highly publicized case. IMO.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:11 AM
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https://www.bobbarker.com/web/defaul...tCode=WEBGUEST

Here is a link to a company that sells items to inmates.
The items are basic no frills and very reasonably priced.
In the jail I work I've known inmates very happy to buy shoes from them.

Individual rolls of toilet paper are handed out to the inmates on a regular basis and no one is denied basic items suc as soap etc.
A disposable razor is handed out 1 time a week and then after an amount of time they have to be collected, this is due to safety reasons.

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Old 06-17-2010, 11:12 AM
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From what I have read and am anticipating dealing with when a friend goes in, federal is even different from the various state prisons. Will relate more when I learn more.

I have heard that Federal prisons are better than state prisons but I don't know that for a fact.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:14 AM
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From what I have read and am anticipating dealing with when a friend goes in, federal is even different from the various state prisons. Will relate more when I learn more.
My understanding is Federal Prisons are much nicer.

http://www.bop.gov/inmate_programs/index.jsp
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:16 AM
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https://www.bobbarker.com/web/defaul...tCode=WEBGUEST

Here is a link to a company that sells items to inmates.
The items are basic no frills and very reasonably priced.
In the jail I work I've known inmates very happy to buy shoes from them.

Individual rolls of toilet paper are handed out to the inmates on a regular basis and no one is denied basic items suc as soap etc.
A disposable razor is handed out 1 time a week and then after an amount of time they have to be collected, this is due to safety reasons.

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I can tell you that my brother was denied soap, toothbrush, tootpaste and clean underwear for two weeks until he had money on his books. That was in a County jail in Alabama.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:21 AM
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I have heard that Federal prisons are better than state prisons but I don't know that for a fact.
This is true in some regards. I am familiar with the Federal one in Ft. Worth TX. Showering is not an issue. I know they all wear clean, starched, khaki uniforms and look very nice. While it breaks your heart to see someone you know there it gives some peace to see them all cleaned up and caring about how they look.

In Ft. Worth they are in dorm type surroundings with 4 or 5 to each one. They also play organized sports and have jobs. Additional costs are for phone time and any extras they want or need. Not everyone in prison is a hardened criminal or sociopath and should not be treated as such. jmo
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:21 AM
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For those of you dealing with friends and family in prison, I feel for you. I am fortunate that I have never had to cope with something like that. It seems so very complicated just to try and figure out what they need and how to get it to them. Good on ya for being there for them in their time of need.
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Hey Beatrice:

Thanks for re-posting my piece on the remarkable similarites between Joran and Ospina.

There are at least 2 more.

One of Ospina's "cases" ahd the FBI involved in Argentina. ANd both used articles of clothing for final strangling. Joran used his shirt, and Ospina used a computer cord on one victim and I believe a robe "belt" for another.
If I have this right based on news reports...Joran
Drugged Stephany, kidnapped her, beat her, strangled her, and possibly stabbed her. And also possibly raped her. (Reports said there was no evidence of a sexual assault but there could be evidence of consentual sex.

"Joran says" the attack took place in the first half hour they were there.

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Article on Joran's former girlfriend, Melody Granadillo, to be interviewed by Chris Cuomo on 20/20 Fri. night.

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"Granadillo talks to Cuomo about ... her contact with van der Sloot during his trip to Peru where he met and allegedly killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

With van der Sloot now awaiting trial in a Peruvian prison, Granadillo says while she doesn't regret their experience together, the man whose eyes she loved looking into is long gone.

"It's not connectable. You can't connect that. It's not the same person," she said. "You see he's hurt. You see he's in trouble."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/TheLaw/jo...0935055&page=1

I looked up Melody on Facebook and, surprisingly, found she lists John Ludwick as a friend. But neither Melody or John list Joran as a friend...but I imagine Joran's Facebook page has been removed by now. When you look up Joran Van Der Sloot on FB, there are 15 listed, I imagine they are all bogus.

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At least hopefully he'll be locked up forever, where he can't kill any more innocent people, but it bugs me that they seem to be coddling him--he gets to watch tv-- and how does he manage to get showers every day when everyone else gets them once a week?
I'm wondering if it's because he has been charged but not yet convicted. And, then if convicted will be transferred to Lurigancho.

I've been trying to find out if his neighbor Hugo Trujillo Ospina is awaiting trial or has already been convicted and can't seem to find anything to confirm.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:38 AM
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I'm wondering if it's because he has been charged but not yet convicted. And, then if convicted will be transferred to Lurigancho.

I've been trying to find out if his neighbor Hugo Trujillo Ospina is awaiting trial or has already been convicted and can't seem to find anything to confirm.
I don't think Ospino has been convicted yet, as I read he was just extradited there from Argentina in April.

But, he, unlike Joran, must have friends on the outside, since he reportedly has a TV in his cell.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:45 AM
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If I have this right based on news reports...Joran
Drugged Stephany, kidnapped her, beat her, strangled her, and possibly stabbed her. And also possibly raped her. (Reports said there was no evidence of a sexual assault but there could be evidence of consentual sex.

"Joran says" the attack took place in the first half hour they were there.

Well I think much of that is initial misinformation. No rape or attempted rape, we think now.

He massively elbowed her to the face (IMO), her skull was fractured which almost always means significant brain damage. Then he strangled her "for a minute" with his hands and finished her off via strangling with his shirt.
Kidnapping comes from his own stupid mouth, saying "she tried to escape" or such. Somehow I do not think they will add the kidnapping charge.

Did you not see my write-up yesteday on a likely elbowing scenario?

It was likely massive IMO and not a "glancing blow to the nose."

While the COD was strangling, she likely was no longer the same Stephany after the elbowing--while probably up against a wall--while he was trying to get her PIN numbers or something else, IMO.

Him removing her shoes and pants was either to stage a rape (by someone else) or he thought of taking the body out, perhaps in parts. But that is just too much work for him. (Look at how sweaty Dexter gets when he processes his vics.)
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:50 AM
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I'm wondering if it's because he has been charged but not yet convicted. And, then if convicted will be transferred to Lurigancho.

I've been trying to find out if his neighbor Hugo Trujillo Ospina is awaiting trial or has already been convicted and can't seem to find anything to confirm.
Yes, he was extradited from Argentina in April.
He left his DNA under Myriam Fefer's fingernails.

Only later did it come out that he was hired by Fefer's own daughter and her female lover, Liliana Castro. Those two were also recently charged, and everyone there waits forever it seems for their trials.

Presumably Fefer's daughter and her lover found Ospina on the internet--as he has, or had, a site that offered his services as a hitman!!!
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:54 AM
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I can tell you that my brother was denied soap, toothbrush, tootpaste and clean underwear for two weeks until he had money on his books. That was in a County jail in Alabama.
That may not have anything to do with jail. That's just how most people live in Alabama.

(I am so sorry, McDraw. I never could resist an Alabama joke. I really am very sympathetic to how your brother's situation must feel for him and you. And I agree with you that prisoners should be treated with decency and their relatives shouldn't be bilked for providing necessities.)

(ETA: I'm from Florida myself. Alabama jokes are a big part of our cultural legacy.)
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Article on Joran's former girlfriend, Melody Granadillo, to be interviewed by Chris Cuomo on 20/20 Fri. night.

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"Granadillo talks to Cuomo about ... her contact with van der Sloot during his trip to Peru where he met and allegedly killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

With van der Sloot now awaiting trial in a Peruvian prison, Granadillo says while she doesn't regret their experience together, the man whose eyes she loved looking into is long gone.

"It's not connectable. You can't connect that. It's not the same person," she said. "You see he's hurt. You see he's in trouble."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/TheLaw/jo...0935055&page=1

I looked up Melody on Facebook and, surprisingly, found she lists John Ludwick as a friend. But neither Melody or John list Joran as a friend...but I imagine Joran's Facebook page has been removed by now. When you look up Joran Van Der Sloot on FB, there are 15 listed, I imagine they are all bogus.

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The JL guy was a friend on Facebook at least the night he was on NG and JVS was listed as one of his friends with lots of comments about him...he has probably removed him now which would be a good idea I think,lol, FWIW
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My take on the video was that Stephany was simply looking around to see who was in the casino, maybe looking to see if anyone she knew was there. The shaking Joran's hand was just a simple greeting, nothing more. I think there might have also been poker table etiquette involved here. That she wasn't just going to plop herself down next to him and intrude on his game without being asked to join him. I didn't see anything odd here at all.
To me I wasn't even sure it was a handshake. It looked more like they were knuckle bumping like you see people doing today especially in sports. If it was a knuckle bump that is a more familiar type of greeting which tells me they had indeed been on friendly terms.
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How incredible to think that Natalee Holloway missing for 5 years now would be linked to
Stephany Flores Rameriz living in Peru.......an ocean apart.

All because of a slime Sociopath like Van der Sloot.

I'm sure his family must be so proud of him now. NOT
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It was driving me crazy........
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I can tell you that my brother was denied soap, toothbrush, tootpaste and clean underwear for two weeks until he had money on his books. That was in a County jail in Alabama.
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnew...670.xml&coll=2



MCDRAW I did a little searching on Alabama county jails and ran across this article and thought you'd find it interesting.
This was from 2009 and talks about how a group of defense lawyers took up a collection to provide some basic items for a jail there, including 2,000 bars of soap. Not sure which jail your brother is at but it does sound like there are some problems there, have you contacted any of the local or state agencies?
There are certain guidelines that they should be following.

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How incredible to think that Natalee Holloway missing for 5 years now would be linked to
Stephany Flores Rameriz living in Peru.......an ocean apart.

All because of a slime Sociopath like Van der Sloot.

I'm sure his family must be so proud of him now. NOT
Oh, sadly enough, Anita may still be proud of Joran. While on another forum I discovered this link of Palus & Anita interview with CBS shortly after Natalee disappeared. Anita verbally attacks the Holloway family because of what she calls their "slander" of Joran. It sure gives some insight into how Joran's family protected & enabled him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=802844n&tag

If anyone has any problem understanding Anita's accent, there is also a printed version of the video at this site.
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MCDRAW I did a little searching on Alabama county jails and ran across this article and thought you'd find it interesting.
This was from 2009 and talks about how a group of defense lawyers took up a collection to provide some basic items for a jail there, including 2,000 bars of soap. Not sure which jail your brother is at but it does sound like there are some problems there, have you contacted any of the local or state agencies?
There are certain guidelines that they should be following.

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My brother has been transferred to a prison in Alabama. He doesn't tell me alot of things that goes on anymore because he knows it upsets me. I believe that whole system is a scam. I have been to visit and the visiting area was the dirtiest place I have ever been too. There were not even safe chairs to sit in so no telling how bad his living conditions are. It's better for me not to think about it. He did the crime so he needs to do the time but I would like him to do it humanely.

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