Joran Van der Sloot Confesses to Murdering Stephany Flores Ramirez #9

[Linda7NJ]

Originally Posted by panthera

NG: talking about the e-mail and if it doesn't exist he is a cold-blooded killer. Mark Hillman, psychologist, is on the show saying Joran is psychotic, no emotional connection, narcissistic; sense of entitlement will bring him down. Not an out-of-control rage killing.

Hmmm not to split hairs...but if he was psychotic, he would be an out of control, no grasp on reality killer....

I think you meant psychopathic?

[suzihawk]

Originally Posted by Patty G

I was confused with seeing the map and then holding up the NE. Is the map suppose to be in the NE?

The map is not in the NE.

[panthera]

NG: talking about Joran going into a rage after Stephany supposedly sees an e-mail message calling him a Mongoloid and referring to Natalee's death. NG stressing pre-meditation can be formed in an instance. Jean C. saying Stephany won $10K about a week before her death; couple of days before her dad gave her $1K. Jean C. reporting how it's felony murder, death occurred during commission of robbery.

Producer Ellie talking about a map Joran drew describing Natalee's death, the Bubali Bird Sanctuary where Natalee's remains allegedly are. NG says the map looks like something a 5th grader would've done. Ellie saying he's drawn many maps; none of the previous information has led to Natalee.

[i.b.nora]

Chris Cuomo was on one of the shows this morning with the diary of one of Joran's girlfriends. She is going to be on 20/20 with him on Friday night.

Stephany's family is on with Larry King tonight. Not for the whole hour.

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by suzihawk

The map is not in the NE.

Thanks. I recall the map they are talking about now; getting confused with the reporting.

[panthera]

Originally Posted by Linda7NJ

Hmmm not to split hairs...but if he was psychotic, he would be an out of control, no grasp on reality killer....

I think you meant psychopathic?

I thought the doctor said psychotic but I'll stand corrected if I heard him wrong.

[KR2tonenow]

Yes, judge will go to Castro, Castro because of security concerns. Ellie, what is the business of the map? Back in March from JVDS interview in Aruba, told NH fell off of balcony and they dumped her in swampy water. Unclear if this map will lead to NH's body. Map has many versions, not clear if any of those panned out. Don't know if this new map will lead to any other evidence. Back when JVDS made confession, 2000 sq ft is swamp water. Not really clear where JVDS dumped NH.

[panthera]

NG: Natalee's aunt on from Arkansas. Asking her what she thinks of the map. Aunt Linda saying so many different versions; we'll have searched the entire island with any more variations. NG says everything Joran says is a lie. Aunt Linda talking about the great detail Joran has given in previous statements about Natalee's death, even how Natalee staggered, hit her head when she was let out of car at Holiday Inn, etc.

[KR2tonenow]

NH's aunt, Linda:
JVDS trying to use every possibility, only if he can go back to Aruba. Fabricating stories one after another, very difficult to see any truth in that.

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by suzihawk

Me too. I vaguely remember that the remains were turned over to the Aruban authorities and that they determined it was a male. Also that Tim Miller said remnants of clothes found in or near the trap looked very much like what Natalee was wearing when she went missing. The remnants were turned over and analyzed (again by the Arubans) and determined to be an old dish rag. I give no credence whatsoever to anything the (dirty, IMO) Aruban authorities were/are involved in. Does any of that sound familiar to you?

Tim Miller was on one of the shows last week and he told of a crab trap that had been found that had contained what was thought to be human bones. He stated that they never heard more about it or that Aruban officials denied they were human bones. I could read between the lines that TM wasn't buying/believing what they said. In his mind, those could have been NH bones meaning evidence had been literally covered up.

You heard more details than I did - about the dish rag - TM was cut off and they went to commercial. When they came back, it was not addressed further. I was thinking, 'that's big if true'.

[panthera]

NG: caller wants to know if he didn't let Stephany leave the room, why isn't he being charged with kidnapping, or false imprisonment? Jean C. says Peru hasn't charged that yet, but Joran has said in his "confession" that Stephany wanted to leave the room and he didn't let her.

[GetSmart]

I wonder if Peru will file Kidnap charges.. a caller on NG asked that question.. hummm


You were faster than me .. PAN

[i.b.nora]

I wonder if the map is the same one Joran sent to that Jaap guy, who sent a copy of it to Steph Watts, just before the law confiscated Jaap's computer. Maybe it is going to be in the new National Enquirer?

[Danie]

Oh he stumbled into kidnapping charge too in Peru, he stated he wouldn't let her leave as she wanted to.

[panthera]

Originally Posted by Danie

Oh he stumbled into kidnapping charge too in Peru, he stated he wouldn't let her leave as she wanted to.

I hope that charge is added ~ just to give him a longer sentence!

[KR2tonenow]

Talking about drugs being gone out of JVDS system by the time he was apprehended. The alcohol in his system would be metabolized by then.

[panthera]

NG: going over the drinks Joran supposedly had the night before he killed Stephany; talking about what drugs would be in his system since he wasn't picked up for over three days after Stephany's death.

Former NYPD detective is saying Joran is of the type who gets a thrill from seeing LE chase all over following up on his different versions of Natalee's death and where she is.

On to another topic........the end.

[Flow]

Is there a special reason why the recipe for a pisco is important? [I am not sure I would order a drink with a name like that. lol]

[Danie]

Originally Posted by panthera

I hope that charge is added ~ just to give him a longer sentence!

I HOPE!! Anything for him to have to serve time in Peru...live in that prison life.

[Eileen O'B]

Originally Posted by suzihawk

Me too. I vaguely remember that the remains were turned over to the Aruban authorities and that they determined it was a male. Also that Tim Miller said remnants of clothes found in or near the trap looked very much like what Natalee was wearing when she went missing. The remnants were turned over and analyzed (again by the Arubans) and determined to be an old dish rag. I give no credence whatsoever to anything the (dirty, IMO) Aruban authorities were/are involved in. Does any of that sound familiar to you?

I always believed that those were NH's remains in the crab trap. That scenario for disposing of her body made the most sense, especially after seeing the photos and reading about the time line of the dives, etc.. When you live on an island, it would have been insane to bury her or otherwise dispose of her on the island when the water is so convenient. I wonder now, if those were her bones, whether Aruba LE burned or otherwise disposed of the bones and the fabric or whether they are still around somewhere.

[GetSmart]

OMG PISCO SOUR .. Recipes of a Murderer
I cant believe NG put that on camera how to make the drink Joran had .. LOL

and with EGG WHITES UGH

[sandangel]

Ya know, I hope I do not get bashed for saying this - but here the last few days any time I hear HLN station talk about Joran's case it just makes me laugh - when I hear about this story, that story, this map, that map, his "out of this world" made up confession of "his version" of what happened when he murdered Stephany, not to mention all the different stories he has come up with regarding Natalie's death. GOOD GRIEF!!! Joran is SO STUPID that it is funny!!!

To top it off he thinks he can get out of spending time in Peru's prison by finally revealing "the truth" about Natalie's disappearance in trade to spending his time in an Arubian jail instead. I mean, my gawd!!! How bizarre his thinking is!!

I really believe that he will not last through his prison term in Peru. If someone does not knock him off first, I think it's possible that once he realizes that none of his fanatical ways to escape prison time in Peru, that he will end up committing suicide.

[Danie]

June 23, next Wed. on National Geographic ~ Worlds Toughest Prisons ~ filmed in 2008 ~ Peru Prison.

Sorry if someone already posted this.

[KR2tonenow]

Originally Posted by panthera

NG: going over the drinks Joran supposedly had the night before he killed Stephany; talking about what drugs would be in his system since he wasn't picked up for over three days after Stephany's death.

Former NYPD detective is saying Joran is of the type who gets a thrill from seeing LE chase all over following up on his different versions of Natalee's death and where she is.

On to another topic........the end.

Thanks so much Panthera! I still can't get over what JVDS said on his Twitter acct. "Catch me if you can!". It's all a game to him-

[Patty G]

I had made a note on my YT regarding drugs in Joran system.

Jean Casarez ~ 3:30 PM EDT on 6/11/10 reported
No drugs found in his system; no blood or tissue on tennis racket.