OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #4 - Page 19

wfgodot · #**451** 10-15-2010, 08:42 AM

And Day 372 of The Jamison Mystery begins in Oklahoma, with clear skies and no sense of urgency.

Oriah · #**452** 10-15-2010, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

And Day 372 of The Jamison Mystery begins in Oklahoma, with clear skies and no sense of urgency.

Actually, there is an emergency. Narc dog experiment in truck has proven that somehow the DEA and/or ATF somehow suspects that Oklahoma chips might be contaminated by some sort of Splenda-type artificial sweetener.

*sigh*

I think now my tombstone should read "Mods, gods,and all reading: please understand that this black humor and lack of links is due to sheer exhuastion."

(Will be back in a moment with proper links to keep thread on target.)

wfgodot · #**453** 10-15-2010, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriah

Actually, there is an emergency. Narc dog experiment in truck has proven that somehow the DEA and/or ATF somehow suspects that Oklahoma chips might be contaminated by some sort of Splenda-type artificial sweetener.

*sigh*

I think now my tombstone should read "Mods, gods,and all reading: please understand that this black humor and lack of links is due to sheer exhuastion."

(Will be back in a moment with proper links to keep thread on target.)

Okay, I've had my breakfast tacos and am ready for a whole host of proper links - the only thing, I'm sure, to be within the realm of propriety in my whole day. I'm fixin' to take the thread off-topic again with a stirring exegesis in re: the representational aspects of Lucky and Pozzo in WFG if I don't get some links!

P.S. wouldn't it be nice if the Jamison family were getting even one-fiftieth of the attention little Zahra in NC is getting? I certainly don't begrudge Z the attention - she deserves it, God love her and God help us all - but feel a bit what, jealous? when "my" cases flatline.

Oriah · #**454** 10-15-2010, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

Okay, I've had my breakfast tacos and am ready for a whole host of proper links - the only thing, I'm sure, to be within the realm of propriety in my whole day. I'm fixin' to take the thread off-topic again with a stirring exegesis in re: the representational aspects of Lucky and Pozzo in WFG if I don't get some links!

P.S. wouldn't it be nice if the Jamison family were getting even one-fiftieth of the attention little Zahra in NC is getting? I certainly don't begrudge Z the attention - she deserves it, God love her and God help us all - but feel a bit what, jealous? when "my" cases flatline.

Know how you feel, wfgodot. If only Z weren't one of mine too then maybe I'd be awake right now.

Lucky and Pozzo- not even going to touch that one. Am working on links

Links- trying to link my map to the DEA sites. Proving very difficult. Think I will just repost the google earth one? I think I can denote on google map the areas of interest.

wfgodot · #**455** 10-15-2010, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriah

Know how you feel, wfgodot. If only Z weren't one of mine too then maybe I'd be awake right now.

Lucky and Pozzo- not even going to touch that one. Am working on links

Links- trying to link my map to the DEA sites. Proving very difficult. Think I will just repost the google earth one? I think I can denote on google map the areas of interest.

Okay, I'll hold the line on Lucky and Pozzo and simply continue with Vladimir and Estragon until the Google Earth appears.

Oriah · #**456** 10-15-2010, 11:04 AM

Okay.... while trying to map that so google will not crash my computer when gridding with mapping program, I cannot resist the irony of posting this (totally unrelated) link, just for the sake of the fact that it was/is 'Operation Deliverance."

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr061010.html

Really, the DEA needs to think about their operational references harder.

But thank you, federal LE for at least trying.

Ok- back to work on trying to link these up.

wfgodot · #**457** 10-15-2010, 01:40 PM

Department of "And would you be needing any chips with that this evening, sir?"

Oklahoma man stuffs 8 steaks in his pants at Braum's
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-man-stuff...adlines_widget

Okay, off-topic again. We need more input to keep this case alive. We could do another poll, but those generally fly as well as a shot sparrow.

Reader! Want to sleuth a not-unfascinating case, one in which we have dedicated pros and talented amateurs (and me), a case which has garnered almost no national publicity, yet involves a man, woman, and child who have, apparently, vanished from the face of the earth?

YOU HAVE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE.

Blondie in Spokane · #**458** 10-15-2010, 03:10 PM

I don't want to see this thread die either....I read along pretty much everyday but I hate to take up space with inane comments when I have nothing of importance to add. All of the hard work and effort you sleuthers have put forth is very much appreciated. I have to admit that I became lost when you guys started analyzing the will a while back....way over my head!...lol

Since the idea has been put forth now that the Jamison's possibly were lured out to the property by extremists, I have to ask. If that were the case, would the motive just be for the act of murder in itself, or are you all thinking monetary? I just can't comprehend how $$ could be the motive as the perp would eventually have to produce an alive Madyson in order to collect, therefore the crime would be uncovered. What am I missing on the current conscensus? Thanks!

wfgodot · #**459** 10-15-2010, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane

I don't want to see this thread die either....I read along pretty much everyday but I hate to take up space with inane comments when I have nothing of importance to add. All of the hard work and effort you sleuthers have put forth is very much appreciated. I have to admit that I became lost when you guys started analyzing the will a while back....way over my head!...lol

Since the idea has been put forth now that the Jamison's possibly were lured out to the property by extremists, I have to ask. If that were the case, would the motive just be for the act of murder in itself, or are you all thinking monetary? I just can't comprehend how $$ could be the motive as the perp would eventually have to produce an alive Madyson in order to collect, therefore the crime would be uncovered. What am I missing on the current conscensus? Thanks!

Blondie, don't worry about what you would post - I hold a monopoly on "inane comments" on this thread! (I'm about to trot out my "so - can we really be sure that this wasn't, like, a UFO abduction?" theory.)

As for the possible "extremist" angle, my guess would be that, were that the case, the Jamisons went willingly - if you're talking about the religious element discussed some time back; a "saving their souls for God" thing, with the $$$ in the briefcase to defray expenses. (Am I close? The only other extremist thing I can think of was the alleged white supremacist who lived with the Jamisons for a time. Anyway, in Oklahoma, it's easier to account for the non-extremists than it is the extremists. Could be about anybody.)

Salem · #**460** 10-15-2010, 03:53 PM

Does this family have anyone advocating on their behalf? Anyone looking for them? Anyone in touch with OK LE? FBI? Anything at all that is pushing for them to be found?

Salem

little726 · #**461** 10-15-2010, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

Blondie, don't worry about what you would post - I hold a monopoly on "inane comments" on this thread! (I'm about to trot out my "so - can we really be sure that this wasn't, like, a UFO abduction?" theory.)

As for the possible "extremist" angle, my guess would be that, were that the case, the Jamisons went willingly - if you're talking about the religious element discussed some time back; a "saving their souls for God" thing, with the $$$ in the briefcase to defray expenses. (Am I close? The only other extremist thing I can think of was the alleged white supremacist who lived with the Jamisons for a time. Anyway, in Oklahoma, it's easier to account for the non-extremists than it is the extremists. Could be about anybody.)

Wfg, I am really shocked that LE cleared this guy (white supremacist). He must have had his "Sunday best face" on when they questioned him. If someone had stuck a gun in MY ear, I would be VERY,VERY, pissed!

wfgodot · #**462** 10-15-2010, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salem

Does this family have anyone advocating on their behalf? Anyone looking for them? Anyone in touch with OK LE? FBI? Anything at all that is pushing for them to be found?

Salem

I don't believe - could be wrong - that the family itself has offered a reward for information as to their whereabouts.

As there is no proof a crime has actually been committed, LE probably doesn't have this on their front-burner - though the Latimer County sheriff was quoted as saying that almost a million dollars has already been spent on the search effort.

We've had great work here from members who have, on their own, been in contact with LE and have investigated facets of the case personally, and much work done by many in terms of paper trails, financial matters, etc.

wfgodot · #**463** 10-15-2010, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by little726

Wfg, I am really shocked that LE cleared this guy (white supremacist). He must have had his "Sunday best face" on when they questioned him. If someone had stuck a gun in MY ear, I would be VERY,VERY, pissed!

Yeah, it's not something many Oklahomans just let go, that having a gun stuck in their ear. That's for sure. Evidently, the guy has a good alibi - either that, or he's hooked up with the right people.

Salem · #**464** 10-15-2010, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

I don't believe - could be wrong - that the family itself has offered a reward for information as to their whereabouts.

As there is no proof a crime has actually been committed, LE probably doesn't have this on their front-burner - though the Latimer County sheriff was quoted as saying that almost a million dollars has already been spent on the search effort.

We've had great work here from members who have, on their own, been in contact with LE and have investigated facets of the case personally, and much work done by many in terms of paper trails, financial matters, etc.

Thank you wfgodot - and thank you all WS members that are doing their best to figure out what happened here.

I have followed a couple of OK cases and I'm sorry to say, I have not been impressed with the quality of the LE work so far - not even the OBI.

It seems to be none of the LE agencies will follow up without some pressure from somewhere.

How about media outlets. Have they been bombarded with requests for updates to the story?

Thanks everybody!

Salem

Blondie in Spokane · #**465** 10-15-2010, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

Blondie, don't worry about what you would post - I hold a monopoly on "inane comments" on this thread! (I'm about to trot out my "so - can we really be sure that this wasn't, like, a UFO abduction?" theory.)

As for the possible "extremist" angle, my guess would be that, were that the case, the Jamisons went willingly - if you're talking about the religious element discussed some time back; a "saving their souls for God" thing, with the $$$ in the briefcase to defray expenses. (Am I close? The only other extremist thing I can think of was the alleged white supremacist who lived with the Jamisons for a time. Anyway, in Oklahoma, it's easier to account for the non-extremists than it is the extremists. Could be about anybody.)

sorry...I should have clarified what I was thinking.....there was a link a page or so ago regarding another family that disappeared....white supremacists were responsible in that case. That could certainly be a possibility here as well. But then I had hope when the other thread popped up for the couple in the area who were set up on another land deal, he was murdered and she was raped....the sister and brother act (disgusting) perps. I thought maybe they were responsible for the Jamisons' disappearance. God only knows at this point...this case drives me crazy but I keep coming back and hoping...

wfgodot · #**466** 10-15-2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane

sorry...I should have clarified what I was thinking.....there was a link a page or so ago regarding another family that disappeared....white supremacists were responsible in that case. That could certainly be a possibility here as well. But then I had hope when the other thread popped up for the couple in the area who were set up on another land deal, he was murdered and she was raped....the sister and brother act (disgusting) perps. I thought maybe they were responsible for the Jamisons' disappearance. God only knows at this point...this case drives me crazy but I keep coming back and hoping...

It certainly is well within the realm of possibility that the Jamisons met with a party or parties unknown to them and were taken at random, at gunpoint from their vehicle - or that, as part of a set-up, they were lured to the San Bois and taken.

This case has always reminded me, as I think I've noted, of the Flannery O'Connor story "A Good Man is Hard to Find," in which a family is murdered after their auto is stopped by persons unknown to them, at random - by a character called, in the story, the Misfit, with a couple of his honchos, who then kill the family for no reason at all except for plain meanness. While other areas of the country certainly have these types (the O'Connor tale is set in Georgia), God knows we have our share of them in Oklahoma, perhaps particularly in the area where the Jamisons went missing.

Whether as a random crime or as a set-up "land deal," either possibility seems a sound prospect.

Oriah · #**467** 10-15-2010, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

Blondie, don't worry about what you would post - I hold a monopoly on "inane comments" on this thread! (I'm about to trot out my "so - can we really be sure that this wasn't, like, a UFO abduction?" theory.)

As for the possible "extremist" angle, my guess would be that, were that the case, the Jamisons went willingly - if you're talking about the religious element discussed some time back; a "saving their souls for God" thing, with the $$$ in the briefcase to defray expenses. (Am I close? The only other extremist thing I can think of was the alleged white supremacist who lived with the Jamisons for a time. Anyway, in Oklahoma, it's easier to account for the non-extremists than it is the extremists. Could be about anybody.)

I will also take responsibility in the "inane comments" but I swear to God that is out of sheer exhaustion (and stress relief, sorry...) on my part.

As far as I know:
-Federal LE is still currently working this case
-Madyson is still up as a missing endangered child on NCMEC.
-The evidence that LE has is all over the place (both literally and figuratively)
-I don't know if or how family has interacted with LE

ETA: I don't believe there is a huge push for media involvement from family/friends. Maybe it would be a good idea from WS strangers.

Links for all OK media: http://www.disastercenter.com/oklahoma/media.html

Also #'s for DEA offices:

McAlester—918-426-5020
Oklahoma City—405-475-7500
Tulsa—918-459-9600

Oriah · #**468** 10-15-2010, 05:55 PM

*sighing again* but if you try to link the google earth area to the DEA areas of suspect activity, it will block out your google earth view and will not let you combine the two. If someone else can do this, please post?

Blondie in Spokane · #**469** 10-15-2010, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriah

I will also take responsibility in the "inane comments" but I swear to God that is out of sheer exhaustion (and stress relief, sorry...) on my part.

As far as I know:
-Federal LE is still currently working this case
-Madyson is still up as a missing endangered child on NCMEC.
-The evidence that LE has is all over the place (both literally and figuratively)
-I don't know if or how family has interacted with LE

ETA: I don't believe there is a huge push for media involvement from family/friends. Maybe it would be a good idea from WS strangers.

I would be glad to help out on a "media awareness" campaign....just let me know and I'm there....

Oriah · #**470** 10-15-2010, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane

I would be glad to help out on a "media awareness" campaign....just let me know and I'm there....

Thank you.
Reposting links from above:
Call, email- whatever works. I should probably specify the most pertinent- hold for that and I will do

Links for all OK media: http://www.disastercenter.com/oklahoma/media.html

DEA offices:
McAlester—918-426-5020
Oklahoma City—405-475-7500
Tulsa—918-459-9600

Soulmagent · #**471** 10-15-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane

sorry...I should have clarified what I was thinking.....there was a link a page or so ago regarding another family that disappeared....white supremacists were responsible in that case. That could certainly be a possibility here as well. But then I had hope when the other thread popped up for the couple in the area who were set up on another land deal, he was murdered and she was raped....the sister and brother act (disgusting) perps. I thought maybe they were responsible for the Jamisons' disappearance. God only knows at this point...this case drives me crazy but I keep coming back and hoping...

I researched alot on the Prague brother and sister. I do not think the murder glen is arrested for is the only murder he has commited. I also found he has family in LE in the county of jody wilson murder. I also looked at a few other cases and I can say I am still suffering from information overload. I was able to connect the familys name to lake E area. as well as bussiness connections. Bobby and the tree bussiness should be looked into to see there is a firm direct connection but I have done as much as I could with that aspect of sleuthing. The Investigators on their case should look at that. The investigators hinted about possible more to come with Glen Gouker but nothing so far.

The Meullers case was just so much like this one in the days they were missing and the elements of guns ,wanting off the grid ,cash money, and the white supremacists who each family had stay in there home was uncanning.
I think the show was on BIO if anyone can find it online to watch it is worth it (even though I missed parts of it). The guy did have an issue with Sherilyn
Normaly I would say these are nutty and unlikey possibilties. I cannot bring myself to discount either of them.

They say the simplest explaination is most of the time the correct explaination but In this case there could be alot of possible motives which each benifit a different type of person. Without being able to identify the correct motive we cannot even come close to finding the correct suspect.

Oriah · #**472** 10-16-2010, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulmagent

I researched alot on the Prague brother and sister. I do not think the murder glen is arrested for is the only murder he has commited. I also found he has family in LE in the county of jody wilson murder. I also looked at a few other cases and I can say I am still suffering from information overload. I was able to connect the familys name to lake E area. as well as bussiness connections. Bobby and the tree bussiness should be looked into to see there is a firm direct connection but I have done as much as I could with that aspect of sleuthing. The Investigators on their case should look at that. The investigators hinted about possible more to come with Glen Gouker but nothing so far.

The Meullers case was just so much like this one in the days they were missing and the elements of guns ,wanting off the grid ,cash money, and the white supremacists who each family had stay in there home was uncanning.
I think the show was on BIO if anyone can find it online to watch it is worth it (even though I missed parts of it). The guy did have an issue with Sherilyn
Normaly I would say these are nutty and unlikey possibilties. I cannot bring myself to discount either of them.

They say the simplest explaination is most of the time the correct explaination but In this case there could be alot of possible motives which each benifit a different type of person. Without being able to identify the correct motive we cannot even come close to finding the correct suspect.

Soul, I am suffering from information overload as well.

Will try to find the video and post it.

Still cannot link the mapping, it crashes my laptop everytime I try.

Oriah · #**473** 10-16-2010, 09:19 AM

Not the video, but forgot to post the info on this earlier:

http://www.acic.org/law/Training%20O...C%20031308.pdf

methmonitor is quite the resource

Oriah · #**474** 10-16-2010, 09:21 AM

Also:
http://www.4029tv.com/news/21409284/detail.html
Revisiting- how did I miss the knife? Where is the knife in evidence??? ARGHH.

ETA: I'm sorry I momentarily lost my mind. Who has ANY of the evidence? Dead narc dog in experimental truck, please cough it up.

wfgodot · #**475** 10-16-2010, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriah

Also:
http://www.4029tv.com/news/21409284/detail.html
Revisiting- how did I miss the knife? Where is the knife in evidence??? ARGHH.

ETA: I'm sorry I momentarily lost my mind. Who has ANY of the evidence? Dead narc dog in experimental truck, please cough it up.

(Yawn-groan-moan.) Good morning! Or, as I'm fond of turning to my affable Boston terrier and demanding, as the sun rises, "Dead narc dog in experimental truck, please cough it up!"

I'm on a white supremacists kick today, and wondering if LE did due diligence in checking the Jamison computer(s) in regards on-line activity subsequent to their disappearance. Also dourly pondering the whole off-the-grid thing.