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Old 07-08-2010, 10:22 PM
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Your forgot the dog in the back of the truck... Had friends that were together in a truck and the two dogs in the back of the camper.....one dog jumped out and rec'd a very bad bung hole burn!!!!!!!!!!!! landing on his rear!!!!!!11
My bad, forgetting the dogs! Did they look anything like these? Old Yeller is definitely pushing the envelope here. Alas, I see no gun rack in that fine big pickup, nor naked women on the mud flaps. Plate obscured to protect the innocent!
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:12 AM
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My bad, forgetting the dogs! Did they look anything like these? Old Yeller is definitely pushing the envelope here. Alas, I see no gun rack in that fine big pickup, nor naked women on the mud flaps. Plate obscured to protect the innocent!
LMAO...I forgot the mud flaps! One was a black lab like in the pic and the other was just a little 30# mix breed with curly black hair. The mix was the dummy and grew up back east before becoming an Idahoian.
I remember walking out of the office after I first arrived and the sprinklers went off. Scared me to death... I thought it was a snake. Our first office was on a creek right off the river and we had herons, beaver and ducks all over. I had a an apartment right on the river and I loved it --spent a lot of time on the Greenbelt and taking my banana lounger and bucket of gin and tonics into the river shallows. Great! Our company had a Formal Float once a year and we had to dress in long formals, hats, gloves, etc to float down and would make a stop at the "island" and have champagne and goodies.

Enough OT---I want RA to be found and the person responsible to be held accountable. She did not deserve this. What did he gain in it? Nothing.
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:49 AM
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If LE thought a reward would help, I am SURE they told her girls that. LE has responsibility in this as well.
I think by now if I was in their shoes I would be doing some things on my own and not waiting for LE. But that doesn't even matter because they raised money for a reward and are not offering a reward. IMO and it is just MO that is wrong. Not to mention that they just down right ignore people when they ask about it. And they will never know if a reward would have helped or not unless they offer one. LE has no way of predicting that, they don't know what would motivate the people that have info if there are any.
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:06 PM
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I think by now if I was in their shoes I would be doing some things on my own and not waiting for LE. But that doesn't even matter because they raised money for a reward and are not offering a reward. IMO and it is just MO that is wrong. Not to mention that they just down right ignore people when they ask about it. And they will never know if a reward would have helped or not unless they offer one. LE has no way of predicting that, they don't know what would motivate the people that have info if there are any.
Umm, I disagree with this. It's LE's JOB to know what motivates people in missing person or criminal cases. I have a degree in CJ and could easily go into LE, I KNOW this. I also currently work for an attorney. I have taken classes on criminal investigation in the course of getting my degree as well, and it's Basic 101 IMO. In addition, LE has more information than ANYBODY. They have information they won't even release to the family.

When we are young, we are taught that authority knows best. Of course we figure out later in life that authority doesn't know everything, but we are talking about kids barely into their 20's here, one of whom has 3 of her own to take care of. They assume that LE knows what they are doing. I'm not saying whatever they did with the money was right or wrong. They've lost their mother though -- let's not heap insult on top of injury. Her children are victims here.

I realize that I am biased and a good friend of mine pointed out to me that I'm not able to be objective here -- I care too much, and I acknowledge that. I do think that if anybody donated money and they don't agree with where the money went, they are perfectly able to go and ask for their money back, though.
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:07 PM
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Capone's shop was searched and material was sent to a lab early on in Rachael's disappearance. Now Info123 has told us items in his shop are being sold. If his shop is a crime scene, this could be extremely detrimental to the investigation. What if LE wants to return to the shop and continue gathering evidence? What a mess up! Where is Rachael's car? Where are the cell phone records? So much of this case just does not add up. Someone (LE) needs to be held accountable. What a botched investigation!
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:09 PM
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Your forgot the dog in the back of the truck... Had friends that were together in a truck and the two dogs in the back of the camper.....one dog jumped out and rec'd a very bad bung hole burn!!!!!!!!!!!! landing on his rear!!!!!!11
This made me laugh out loud!
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:37 PM
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OK so TO ME and IMO about the reward fund or donation fund or whatever it is being called these days or if it is even being called ANYTHING, I think the biggest problem I have with the money issue is that IF they were going to change their minds about where the money went to IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED, again, that is just my opinion. I can see where some would say "it's none of anyones business where it went" but um, seriously, IT IS ... it is HARD to earn money these days for all of us! If I KNEW I had the option to donate to the A. "donation" fund-do with it what you deem fit B. REWARDS Fund-as in POST A FREAKING REWARD FOR INFORMATION or the C. Help keep Rachael Andersons personal affairs in order account I PROBABLY would have donated to ALL of the accounts they had open! BUT to KNOW that I donated MORE THEN ONCE to a "Reward" account THAT is where I expect my money to GO!

Other then this is a MUTE topic with LE Family whatever, I think it is a very critical topic. I HONESTLY think had money been waved around, words might have started flying. But again WE DON'T KNOW because we weren't given the oppurtunity.

I DO have to agree with Info.... with NOTHING being done I personally would be on it myself. Doing ANYTHING I could and EVERYTHING I wanted to.. no matter what their age is by 20 ish we DO know what needs to be done, especially when we have kids of our own, we (or maybe its just me) would do what I would want MY OWN KIDS to do for me. Not only that but they have had AMPLE numbers of people telling them WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING!

I HATE to be hard on the family, I hate to feel like they think I am judging them, because I AM NOT .. I JUST DONT think what is going on is RIGHT! That is MO and I understand that but I also talk to lots of people as well as listening to people on here and I know its in everyones thoughts.
It is a hard time, and hard to know exactly what we would do if we were in their situation, but come on... there is just things that are Common Freaking SENSE!

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Old 07-09-2010, 02:17 PM
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Umm, I disagree with this. It's LE's JOB to know what motivates people in missing person or criminal cases. I have a degree in CJ and could easily go into LE, I KNOW this. I also currently work for an attorney. I have taken classes on criminal investigation in the course of getting my degree as well, and it's Basic 101 IMO. In addition, LE has more information than ANYBODY. They have information they won't even release to the family.

When we are young, we are taught that authority knows best. Of course we figure out later in life that authority doesn't know everything, but we are talking about kids barely into their 20's here, one of whom has 3 of her own to take care of. They assume that LE knows what they are doing. I'm not saying whatever they did with the money was right or wrong. They've lost their mother though -- let's not heap insult on top of injury. Her children are victims here.

I realize that I am biased and a good friend of mine pointed out to me that I'm not able to be objective here -- I care too much, and I acknowledge that. I do think that if anybody donated money and they don't agree with where the money went, they are perfectly able to go and ask for their money back, though.
I wholeheartedly agree with this post. I feel strongly that the focus needs to get back on track. That is, to find out what happened to Rachel. None of us know how we would handle this if it were our Mother, daughter, sister or friend, unless faced with the exact same circumstances (God forbid).
Her children and grandchildren truly are the victims here and should be afforded that respect and support.
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:23 PM
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I check Rachael's thread for updates frequently. When this case broke, I never thought we would still be looking for her in July and have NO idea where she was, never. With the info we had right off the bat about CC choking her, the divorce filing, stalking, last person to see her, his criminal record, the ex-wife who came here and shared. I felt confident the case would be solved quickly, it just seemed SO obvious who was responsible for Rachael's disappearance.

I won't talk about the money/reward thing, I've always found that to be the most divisive and distasteful aspect in missing persons cases.

I did want to comment on the status of the case and a few things I have read here ... We all know LE keeps things close to the vest, necessary for a successful conviction and a plethora of other reasons. Friend made some good points about Rachael's family. The girls are young and struggling to keep their own lives afloat in the midst of this storm. They are listening to and taking direction from LE, cannot blame them right? I mean what other alternative or choice do they have? They are as much a victim in all this as Rachael is.

I don't think LE is on the verge of breaking this case. Don't think CC is going to talk either, he's been through the system, savy to how all this works. No body or direct evidence of foul play, it could go on forever. At this point if I were a family member of Rachael I would be talking to the media, trying to keeping her name out there. I might be losing faith in local LE's ability to solve this case and want to hire a PI or contact Tim Miller at TE and see if he could do anything to help me. I might even call Harry Oakes, see if he could bring his dog team in. I would make a list of local and state government officials and I would start calling them or showing up in their offices, make a lotta noise!!! And if all the above failed, even at the risk of pi$$ing off local LE, I would start organizing searches. I would do anything I could to keep this thing out in the public view. Too bad torture is not an option, I can think of a few things I would like to try on that little tiny worm of a man named CC ....

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OK so TO ME and IMO about the reward fund or donation fund or whatever it is being called these days or if it is even being called ANYTHING, I think the biggest problem I have with the money issue is that IF they were going to change their minds about where the money went to IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED, again, that is just my opinion. I can see where some would say "it's none of anyones business where it went" but um, seriously, IT IS ... it is HARD to earn money these days for all of us! If I KNEW I had the option to donate to the A. "donation" fund-do with it what you deem fit B. REWARDS Fund-as in POST A FREAKING REWARD FOR INFORMATION or the C. Help keep Rachael Andersons personal affairs in order account I PROBABLY would have donated to ALL of the accounts they had open! BUT to KNOW that I donated MORE THEN ONCE to a "Reward" account THAT is where I expect my money to GO!

Other then this is a MUTE topic with LE Family whatever, I think it is a very critical topic. I HONESTLY think had money been waved around, words might have started flying. But again WE DON'T KNOW because we weren't given the oppurtunity.

I DO have to agree with Info.... with NOTHING being done I personally would be on it myself. Doing ANYTHING I could and EVERYTHING I wanted to.. no matter what their age is by 20 ish we DO know what needs to be done, especially when we have kids of our own, we (or maybe its just me) would do what I would want MY OWN KIDS to do for me. Not only that but they have had AMPLE numbers of people telling them WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING!

I HATE to be hard on the family, I hate to feel like they think I am judging them, because I AM NOT .. I JUST DONT think what is going on is RIGHT! That is MO and I understand that but I also talk to lots of people as well as listening to people on here and I know its in everyones thoughts.
It is a hard time, and hard to know exactly what we would do if we were in their situation, but come on... there is just things that are Common Freaking SENSE!

Just sayin.......
I TOTALLY AGREE. Another huge thing for me is that anyone who has given GOOD, SOLID advice on what to do on the facebook page has been admonished and then deleted....this does not scream greaving family doing there best....I am also sorry if that sounds harsh but sometimes the truth IS HARSH. They ignore and delete nearly anyone who doesn't leave a happy yet pointless message ( i am not in anyway saying that prayer is pointless but it is the praying itself that has benifits not the messages and the messages giving them direction of what to do and where to go might actually HELP FIND RACHAEL)....i understand that they need support ect. but I think it is time that everyone stops making excuses for and defending things that are just plain WRONG.
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Old 07-09-2010, 03:54 PM
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:27 PM
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Umm, I disagree with this. It's LE's JOB to know what motivates people in missing person or criminal cases. I have a degree in CJ and could easily go into LE, I KNOW this. I also currently work for an attorney. I have taken classes on criminal investigation in the course of getting my degree as well, and it's Basic 101 IMO. In addition, LE has more information than ANYBODY. They have information they won't even release to the family.

When we are young, we are taught that authority knows best. Of course we figure out later in life that authority doesn't know everything, but we are talking about kids barely into their 20's here, one of whom has 3 of her own to take care of. They assume that LE knows what they are doing. I'm not saying whatever they did with the money was right or wrong. They've lost their mother though -- let's not heap insult on top of injury. Her children are victims here.

I realize that I am biased and a good friend of mine pointed out to me that I'm not able to be objective here -- I care too much, and I acknowledge that. I do think that if anybody donated money and they don't agree with where the money went, they are perfectly able to go and ask for their money back, though.
I really think they cannot afford a reward a/c. That's why I repeatedly ask in the past for a local adult or family member to help these kids contact an agency or organization which would not only contribute to a reward, but also give them moral and psychological support...while also giving them the opportunity to help and be involved in the search for others. On going support for them and the kids involved...ie: two boys and the grandchildren; plus a good lesson in community and how to deal with LE. Actually the girls could prolly get some help and answers if they just dug on the internet for awhile. I know I would be calling and inquiring anyone and everyone for help and answers.

They just released a suspect (DNA match) flyer in the Morgan Harrington case in VA. They are offering a $150, 000 reward. At that dollar amount...the relatives will prolly turn him in. Just sayin.... It really shouldn't be a question of money (reward), but community and good will. Unfortunately, I think those days are gone.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:38 PM
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If I were lost in the woods, I would start a forest fire to be found (figuratively speaking).
You are so right. I not only would start the fire, but be running to every crevice and corner yelling fire at the top of my lungs.

My question now is...do they want us all to just go away?
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Old 07-11-2010, 02:31 AM
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You are so right. I not only would start the fire, but be running to every crevice and corner yelling fire at the top of my lungs.

My question now is...do they want us all to just go away?
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Pretty much feels that way doesn't it?

Poor Rachael, she just deserves SO MUCH MORE.
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This was posted on another missing person's site, but wanted to post it here also. Maybe someone can pass it along to the girls. TIA

Kelly Jolkowski, founder of Project Jason, a nonprofit that helps families of missing people, believes it's a serious undercount. Because of their lifestyles or associations, some people have been placed in a dismal "throwaway" category that doesn't get much outside attention, though their families still search and long to know.

But she harnessed her energy and much of that emotion to build her nonprofit group to support the families of the missing as they embark on this unwanted journey. Projectjason.org offers tips, private community boards, access to counseling, even retreats that are not about solving the case, but surviving it mostly intact. It is "about giving you tools to help you live the best life you can, whether this continues for one more day or 10 more years," she says.



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It looks like some of the family is begining to move on....and have the finances to enjoy 2 week vacations....
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It looks like some of the family is begining to move on....and have the finances to enjoy 2 week vacations....
Can you give us more info...info? TIA
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One of the girls is on a two week vacation...here it is on facebook if the link works

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...&v=wall&ref=ts

There has always been a lot of talk about how you never know what you would do until you are in a situation......but I can guarantee that if my mother was missing (FOR LESS THAN 3 MONTHS!!!) I would not be spending money or taking the time to go on a 2 week vacation....every extra dime I had and every extra moment would be going to finding my mom....making a reward account...hiring a PI.....PAYING HER BILLS......SOMETHING

This whole situation has a wrong feel to me...always has.
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One of the girls is on a two week vacation...here it is on facebook if the link works

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...&v=wall&ref=ts

There has always been a lot of talk about how you never know what you would do until you are in a situation......but I can guarantee that if my mother was missing (FOR LESS THAN 3 MONTHS!!!) I would not be spending money or taking the time to go on a 2 week vacation....every extra dime I had and every extra moment would be going to finding my mom....making a reward account...hiring a PI.....PAYING HER BILLS......SOMETHING

This whole situation has a wrong feel to me...always has.
I am not going to lie, I feel pretty much the same way! I realize she was going to pick up her kids but still.....

Moving on is all fine and dandy, but um, I wouldn't be doing THAT myself if MY mom was missing for less then 3 months. I probably would still be doing EVERYTHING I could do if she had been missing for 3 YEARS! That is just me tho.
And again, I am not trying to judge. Just stating my opinion.
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I cannot get over news reels where family members of the missing are not crying. My daughter was missing for 27 minutes (she was hiding) and when LE arrived I was a wreck. It happened four months ago and I am still suffering ptsd. If someone put a news camera in my face, I would lose it. I don't want to judge though.
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I cannot get over news reels where family members of the missing are not crying. My daughter was missing for 27 minutes (she was hiding) and when LE arrived I was a wreck. It happened four months ago and I am still suffering ptsd. If someone put a news camera in my face, I would lose it. I don't want to judge though.
We never know what we would do. I think some just go into shock, but I think I would tell them to get out the way----I'm looking for my daugher. Would definitely require meds, I know, and I am one for not liking to take them.

I only have house pets, but if one goes missing/hiding, everything stops till they are found and the neighbors prolly think I'm nuts because I've gone out at midnight calling and whistling to find them---and they are usually hiding somewhere in the house. (Thinking they might have run out when I opened a door) Cats love to play hide and seek and it drives me batty at times. After I find them they are scolded with "WTH are you trying to do - drive me nuts?" I use to sleep like a log, but if one starts mewing at night I'm awake immediately. I just can't imagine with kids or a relative. You will look back on it one day and laugh about it with them---telling them how close you came to a heartattack. ((Hugs))
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I am not going to lie, I feel pretty much the same way! I realize she was going to pick up her kids but still.....

Moving on is all fine and dandy, but um, I wouldn't be doing THAT myself if MY mom was missing for less then 3 months. I probably would still be doing EVERYTHING I could do if she had been missing for 3 YEARS! That is just me tho.
And again, I am not trying to judge. Just stating my opinion.
It has to be hard to keep some kind of normalcy vivid for the children. She went to see family...very much needed...and will be good for all. I just wish we could see something they were doing to keep RA's name out there. Here's a link to a website she joined in May, but I can't see where she has posted or participated in any way except for the basic info for Rachael. Maybe she thinks like Josh Powell and figures it's LE job? It looks like they are moving on. ETA: They really had no family local and I REALLY don't think they had any support from "others". KWIM? Not what but who? They need to ask for help.....if they want it. They have aski publically for EVERYONE's help and expecting it....but we need to see that they are too and ARE concerned. Leadership takes on many forms.

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The family got a lot of support and a lot of guidence from people on what to do next, they just didn't want to hear it and no one acted. Like I mention before all the people that tried to help got was yelled at...it was rediculous. And it seems like those same people that don't have time to post on rachaels facebook page or the other site that was mentioned have time to post about drinking beer and having fun. I think we have pretty much heard the last of what we are going to hear on this case. At least until someone finds Rachael....if she is ever found.
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:37 PM
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The family got a lot of support and a lot of guidence from people on what to do next, they just didn't want to hear it and no one acted. Like I mention before all the people that tried to help got was yelled at...it was rediculous. And it seems like those same people that don't have time to post on rachaels facebook page or the other site that was mentioned have time to post about drinking beer and having fun. I think we have pretty much heard the last of what we are going to hear on this case. At least until someone finds Rachael....if she is ever found.
Sadly I think you may be right. After checking in on the FB page, I don't think anyone is even bothering to monitor it....."junk" there for 17 hours.
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Sad is right. Irritating fits in there as well. Disrespectful is at the top of the list.

Rachael deserves(d) so much more. I believe she didn't give up without a fight, so whoever thought it became ok to give up the fight FOR her I totally disagree with.

Just IMO.
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