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Old 06-26-2010, 02:41 PM
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Ok I found the link. It's on this Peru site:


http://peru21.pe/noticia/492390/fbi-...-van-der-sloot

I can't get an imbed.
Fantastic job of locating this video, Marikesh.....

It shows me several things clearly.

1) She does NOT walk with a club foot.....both feet seem to be normal.
2) The guy in the green stripped shirt is watching as she comes to the
table. I just wonder what he's thinking......
3) She seems to slip him a chip when she extends her hand as tho to greet
him. He very carefully takes it and puts it over his other chips.
4) She at first sits at table # 8 and then switches her chair to be next to him
at table #7......I wonder why....the chair switch.....could 7 be her lucky
number?
5) They both exit out of the Casino....(and this is the first time I am actually
seeing it from that angle....

I have put this into my favorite file.......for safe keeping.

Thank you for doing the search to find this for us.
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Old 06-26-2010, 02:53 PM
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IMO the ONLY reason that the FBI is involved in JVS going to Peru is this.....Once he was caught on tape with JQK taking the 10 grand cash and the 15 grand wire transfer, Someone from within the ALE told him that the room had been wired and that the US was going to be filing charges against him....He may have been in fear that his passport would be taken by Aruban Authorities. It was stated by his own Mother AVS that JVS stated he wanted to go somewhere that no one knew him, well Peru here he comes....And then being somewhere that no one knew him he was able to kill again....So IMO this is the only explanation as to how JVS ended up in Peru because of the FBI, but I am sure the conspiracy theories will continue with absolutely no proof to back it up.
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On Dr Lillian Glass’ blog she made reference to the fact that Joran mentioned in a police report that he had beaten his brother..

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblo...t-of-her-life/

Anita Van der Sloot’s Conflicting Body Language Indicates Anger at Joran, Victim Like Helplessness, And Denial, As She Continues To Make Excuses For Joran While Cutting Him Out of Her Life

“There is no doubt that Anita did know that Joran had some type of psychological problem as he was apparently seeing a therapist in his teen years. Apparently he was sent to a therapist by his parents. According to an interview which Joran gave to the Aruban police when he was a teen, given after Natalie’s was found missing, Joran admitted he had been sent to a psychiatrist for stealing 50 euros from his father and for his violence towards his brother”

The quote she is talking about is from Joran’s police statement from 06/10/05 where he states “To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.”

Here is a blog with a list of references to Joran’s past violent behavior a lot of it from the police statements:
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.co...-be-judge.html

At C.3. on the blog above is a reference to the 'man being thrown from a bridge' incident. It is from SANDER GOTTENBOS - WITNESS STATEMENT - 06/16/05
Thank you for providing the links -- I was spellbound as I read the litany of incidents involving JVDS during his teen years. Any ONE of those incidents is enough to send this parent 'over the edge'. To say he was out of control is a huge understatement - he was a unholy terror. The 'smashing' of front windows in cars ALONE would have had his sorry tail in jail in some states so I am totally adrift on why there weren't any charges laid when he was a juvenile (oh I can hear the protests...daddy's influence etc) for property damage - there's no excuse for law turning a blind eye to his bad behavior.
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:15 PM
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Two different casino videos - Best watched sound off.

First from a news network. Two different camera angles, a bit longer and in IMO best quality I've seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRvB4v5T3LQ

Second, someone posted a composite video with from a different angle and extra minute length.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCjlVqpaXk8
In this video you can see when Sloot sits down..the green shirt sits down also. Look carefully because they seem to say something to each other.
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IMO the ONLY reason that the FBI is involved in JVS going to Peru is this.....Once he was caught on tape with JQK taking the 10 grand cash and the 15 grand wire transfer, Someone from within the ALE told him that the room had been wired and that the US was going to be filing charges against him....He may have been in fear that his passport would be taken by Aruban Authorities. It was stated by his own Mother AVS that JVS stated he wanted to go somewhere that no one knew him, well Peru here he comes....And then being somewhere that no one knew him he was able to kill again....So IMO this is the only explanation as to how JVS ended up in Peru because of the FBI, but I am sure the conspiracy theories will continue with absolutely no proof to back it up.
Hi Kimmer.....we must not forget the Peru Poker Tournament he had signed on for.....No conspiracy with that fact....IMO

With the loot from the Holloways deep in his pockets, it was clear sailing to Peru and he thought he was to emerge a winner......well NewsFlash for this creep......he dealt himself a loosing hand.....with the accommodations of Castro Castro just waiting for him.
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:30 PM
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Thank you for providing the links -- I was spellbound as I read the litany of incidents involving JVDS during his teen years. Any ONE of those incidents is enough to send this parent 'over the edge'. To say he was out of control is a huge understatement - he was a unholy terror. The 'smashing' of front windows in cars ALONE would have had his sorry tail in jail in some states so I am totally adrift on why there weren't any charges laid when he was a juvenile (oh I can hear the protests...daddy's influence etc) for property damage - there's no excuse for law turning a blind eye to his bad behavior.
This is another wonderful link and bird's eye view into Sloot's bad behaviour which imo had been completely ignored by his parents......only because of Sloot's sly, slick 'get out of jail' cards which were teflon coated.

It was only a matter of time before this guy had his comeuppance and it took 5 years for that to happen. Unfortunately, it also took the life of Stephany to stop this murdering POS.

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Hi Kimmer.....we must not forget the Peru Poker Tournament he had signed on for.....No conspiracy with that fact....IMO

With the loot from the Holloways deep in his pockets, it was clear sailing to Peru and he thought he was to emerge a winner......well NewsFlash for this creep......he dealt himself a loosing hand.....with the accommodations of Castro Castro just waiting for him.
I can't wait until he is transfered to Louigancho....Think he is whining now, we have no even begun to hear how much he will complain....Get him away from his cell mate buddy and get him in a pod that he will quickly be an outcast.....I can't wait.
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Confusing translations!

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Thanks Beatrice for the update on the Lion club.....didn't know that at all.

As for the last line posted regarding......(why would he say they don't want to leave with him???) or could this be just a mix up in the translation....

Where would he be taking them.......for them not wanting to leave with him.
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I don't know why anyone has translated "salir con" definitively as "leave with." "Salir con" is commonly used, especially by young people, to mean "to go out with" as on a date. In my opinion, a lot of the confusion in this case was created early on by the media. Many of them appeared to rely on quick translations (via Google?) in order to get the scoop. In my opinion, Google's translation tool doesn't do a good job with Spanish and does an even worse job with Dutch.

I am here in the States, but I try to read (with my three+ years of Spanish) the online versions of Spanish language newspapers in Lima to get information as close to the original source as possible. There are also a couple of websites in English written by people in Lima who know both English and Spanish well. They do a good job of reporting on JVS and the murder of SF, but they don't report on a regular basis. When the news hits here, I am often surprised at what I hear or read because it doesn't match closely enough to what I have read from Lima.

Google translations are at times very peculiar and unreliable. Some media at the start seemed to rely heavily on them. Add to this the fact that a word in Spanish can often be translated into many different words in English depending on meaning and context. Machine translations provide just one word for each word in a sentence. Many of the inconsistencies in the news we have gotten in English do come from faulty translations and from the media releasing information far too quickly before verifying accuracy. This includes news from well-thought-of mainstream media sources.

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Old 06-26-2010, 04:02 PM
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I can't wait until he is transfered to Louigancho....Think he is whining now, we have no even begun to hear how much he will complain....Get him away from his cell mate buddy and get him in a pod that he will quickly be an outcast.....I can't wait.
Kimmer, Do we know for sure that he is going to be transferred to Louigancho? The only place I've heard this is on NG. Have the peruvian authorities confirmed this? TIA
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Kimmer, Do we know for sure that he is going to be transferred to Louigancho? The only place I've heard this is on NG. Have the Peruvian authorities confirmed this? TIA
I have also only heard this on NG, but I feel that if he continues to blame everyone but himself for his own actions, that he may very well be transfered there to show him that Peru is completely in control of this situation...One can only hope.
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I'm perfectly happy to have him keep shooting himself in the foot!

ETA: It seems to me every time Joran opens his mouth these days, he shoots himself in the foot again. I like it.

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But that's just it- he looks TOO guilty. Five year anniversary of Natalee's disappearance. A dead body left behind in a room registered in his name. A security camera right outside his room, catching the victim and Joran going in, and only him leaving. Few crimes are that cut and dry. Few murderers are that stupid.

If someone really, really wanted to get Joran, and finally punish him for a crime they think he commited and got away with, and wished for a perfect scenario, could Joran possibly have done a better job of granting their wish?
Goes both ways, if there ever was any doubt in anyones mind that Joran murdered NH, and if anyone ever wished for a perfect sceanario for him to finally be punished , Joran himself couldn't possibly have done a better job granting their wish.
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Look at the media thread link that I posted. It shows the timestamped photos of when he first left his room to go for coffee at 8:13, returns to the room with coffe at 8:24, leaves the room with the coffee at 8:35 and returns with room clerk at 8:39 and leaves with luggage at 8:56.

So he's gone from the room for 11 minutes the first time and 4 minutes the second time.
And I am still not seeing him murdering her between 8:24am and 8:35am. MOO
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Possibly guy in the green striped shirt could be Erick Cabrera...he ended up coming in 3rd in the tournament:

"And, there may be a new witness: Another "friend of Joran's", Erick Cabrera Cabrera, who reportedly was present in the casino the day Joran and Stephany Flores played poker together."

Of course, this may have been another day when Joran and SF were together, not May 30.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/15/133534/559

Or it could be Elton Garcia:

"Reports vary about the last night. Some have Elton, Joran and Stephany playing poker together at an open table from 3:20 am, when she arrived at the casino alone, until 5:00 a.m. when Joran and Stephanie left together"

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/7/153936/3294


Here's a video of Elton Garcia. Not sure if he looks like the same guy as in the casino video...but they do both have long sideburns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-9k...eature=related

Just another conundrum!!
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I've gone back a few pages but didn't see this posted yet, and it was only published a couple of hours ago.....

Exclusive look at Joran van der Sloot's prison courtroom
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Yep, & I think that violent, uncontrollable temper is what's going to get him killed in prison. Unless, of course, his violent temper is only uncontrollable when he's dealing with women. It will be interesting to see if he can control it when it's beneficial to him.
He didn't hold his temper in the jail in Aruba. (The kicking of the other inmate resulting in JVS getting a poke in the eye) He apparently fought with the LE there also until they "roughed him up". He was younger, so it's a question of whether he learned anything...from his other actions..I don't think so.
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The Lion's Club seems to have a clandestine reputation.

Seems to me, certain powerful, wealthy men on the island of Aruba knew what it was all about. Joran hung around a group of guys...Most have left Aruba with their wealthy, powerful fathers and families.

Joran could not get girls to now leave the nightclub, casino with him to go elsewhere that was private.
I'm starting to get the sense that JVS had a reputation in Aruba and the local girls knew it and would not go out with him because of his temper. Maybe others--just not coming forward--had experienced his violence and/or disrespect.
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Follow the Money

From May 2005-May 2010 Who funded all of Joran's financial ventures?
(Certainly not Paulus & Anita)

Joran fancied himself as "mafia" / a pimp
His interests were criminology, CSI, 'Soprano's', mafia....

He's involved in the sex trade in Thailand.
He would need financial backing for his coffee cafe.

Feb. 2010 His father dies of heart attack
Joran is depressed, suicidal

Joran claims "the man" contacted him, and asks if he needs money.
(I guess "the man" did not wire him the money.)

Right after this, Joran contacts the Holloway's for the 250k reward money.

He is paid 25k, yet doesn't give John Q. Kelley a legitimate location/scenario.
"The truth"...His ace in the hole for continued extortion on both sides.

Joran told Patrick van Eem that at 10 years, he would receive a substancial financial settlement. From whom?

He leaves for South America. He's paranoid, depressed, broke & desperate.
He meets Stephany. He knows her father is wealthy & powerful. He knows Stephany is gay. He has made a friend with Stephany. Yet, his addictions override this. He knows he is going to drug her, batter her & rob her. "The man" would know this crime was done by Joran. Had Joran proved himself as going from a snake to a lion?

The crime scene has Joran's "fingerprints" all over it. Had he wanted to be found out?
Be interestiing if "the man" was found on the hard drive anywhere. Unfortunately, I believe JVS may had many computers since 2005 and the access to many-- in many different places.

Yep, he should have ditched that computer in the ocean somewhere during his flight, but I'm sure glad he didn't...it will tell volumes, including a gimpse of JVS himself. JMO
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Wow! How weird I really thought the same thing but didn't comment on it. I also felt in my gut it was not the first they met with the whole shaking hands thing.I really thought she passed him a chip. Okay, maybe i'm not crazy! Thanks.
It was said that they had met a couple of days before.
Entirely possible Stephany is paying him back a loan.
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I was thinking he kept it very close because of what he had on there, and didn't expect to be apprehended.
I think a few people may be needing depends now, jmho.
Maybe he wouldn't be safe in Aruba at this point. ??
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Be interestiing if "the man" was found on the hard drive anywhere. Unfortunately, I believe JVS may had many computers since 2005 and the access to many-- in many different places.

Yep, he should have ditched that computer in the ocean somewhere during his flight, but I'm sure glad he didn't...it will tell volumes, including a gimpse of JVS himself. JMO
I cannot wait for the computer forensics!
It will be a treasure trove of info!!!!
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Thanks for moving the videos forward again! I'm going to say, IMO, no exchange during handshake. I'm referencing the first video, overhead footage, beginning right after she smooths her hair. @ about 1:24.

When I freeze at several points, he does open his right palm after the handshake - However, the chip could still be concealed in his lower palm. Can't detect a full open palm, too unclear.

However, second/s before her hand meets his, as she begins reaching her right hand out to him, her palm is open (nearly palm down, not cupped) on freeze. Nothing there.
I'll be curious forever LOL. In watching the videos and has been pointed out. Joran and the green striped shirt person approach the table at the same time from different directions. The Green striped shirt guy sits next to the dealer and does at least exchange a greeting with VDS, then Stephany approaches.

I've tried counting Jorans chips before and after the handshake but he disturbs the chips right after he opens his palm. So the long shot is I cant prove it. Yes she would have had to palm a chip in order to give it to him. I offer this explanation.


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TY for the info and links FLNY. I've started a "green shirt" file and any info re: EG and ECC will be going in it.
Hi, first time poster, long time reader here. Really admire the tenacity of principle and shrewd observations surrounding the cases ( NH and SF).

Thought I would add that I have been following the Poker boards about the LAPT and there is some speculation that Joran was doing a " chip trick" where you shuffle the first chip over the rest, while Stephany has him beat with another maneuver...when I locate the thread and quote ( with a visual of a more skillful trick) I will add it to the proper thread.

The boards also have conversations from people who have played VDS online and met him in person, so, a little insider info there on his demeanor and his propensity toward grandiose and narcissistic tendencies.

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Fantastic job of locating this video, Marikesh.....

It shows me several things clearly.

1) She does NOT walk with a club foot.....both feet seem to be normal.
2) The guy in the green stripped shirt is watching as she comes to the
table. I just wonder what he's thinking......
3) She seems to slip him a chip when she extends her hand as tho to greet
him. He very carefully takes it and puts it over his other chips.
4) She at first sits at table # 8 and then switches her chair to be next to him
at table #7......I wonder why....the chair switch.....could 7 be her lucky
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5) They both exit out of the Casino....(and this is the first time I am actually
seeing it from that angle....

I have put this into my favorite file.......for safe keeping.

Thank you for doing the search to find this for us.
Re: SF changing seats. My impression is that when she first approaches Joran at the table, she's not sure where to sit since there is a drink in front of the seat next to him (seat #7). She seems to stall around and then is seated at #8. I think Joran then tells her there is no one at #7. So, she moves to seat #7, while placing the drink at #8.
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