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Kyron Horman Kyron went missing from his school in Oregon. His mother has a civil suit on his step-mother and his father is in the middle of a divorce. WHERE IS KYRON?


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Old 07-16-2010, 04:50 PM
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Underground Network THEORY ONLY ??

Excuse if me this shouldn't stand as its own thread, and please move it if it belongs elsehwere. I wonder what others think of the idea that TH might have given Kyron to an underground network that helps remove children from abusive situations. Please note, I am not implying Kyron was being abused by his bio parents or step-dad.

Here is why this theory makes sense to me. I'm curious about what others think.

Those closest to the case - DY, TY, and KH - truly believe that Kyron is still alive. To hear Kaine say that he needs Kyron's bedroom all ready for his return speaks volumes to me about how strong his conviction is that Kyron is still alive. LE claims they are working on the presumption that he is still alive.

The only way that Kyron could still be alive is if someone has him. In most scenarios I imagine where someone else has Kyron, the following doesn't make sense:

1. Why doesn't there seem to be a greater sense of urgency about finding him? If he is in the hands of a criminal, he is in real danger.

2. Why would someone hold onto him for TM at this late date when it is apparent how much trouble they will get in?

However, if TH hid Kyron with an underground network, he would be very hard to find unless she talked and TY, DY, KH, and LE could assume that the people who had him were at least caring for him.

It seems that TH may be a good liar. We also know she came across as a loving and concerned parent. She could have fooled someone into believing that Kyron was being abused and that his only hope for safety was the underground network. The chaos that has ensued may only have reinforced the network's beliefs that the family is dysfunctional and that Kyron is in harms way. There may also be the concern that if they reveal where Kyron is, it will jeopardize the underground network for other children who depend on it.

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Old 07-16-2010, 04:55 PM
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That sounds like a really plausible theory.
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:57 PM
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My mind keeps going to a theory where TH gave Kyron to an underground network. But it's not a network of a caring, protective nature. I'm thinking she sold him to pedophiles.

She may have come across as a loving, caring parent. But loving, caring parents to put hitmen out on the father of the children she loves and cares about so much.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:03 PM
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If she did,I hope they're put in jail,because she didn't have custody of him,Desiree and Kaine do.So by now,they have to know she's not the guardian parent and they are doing something very illegal.It's cost approx $400,000 looking for Kyron.Which is why I think somehow they'd have turned him over by now.Unless they are very bad and are more like a human trafficking in the pretense of hiding children.I can't see a legit underground organization that helps children keeping him at this point.

PS I don't mean legit underground organization as legal,I mean people who help abused mothers and children.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:04 PM
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I have been wondering the exact same thing for a few weeks now. At least w/ this theory, Kyron would be alive and safe.

ETA: As someone mentioned above ... Terri could have very well handed Kyron off to a pedophile. I really hope not. What a thing to do to an innocent child.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:08 PM
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Although I'm aware that such networks do,in fact, exist, I do not think that this is what happened in this case. Interesting theory,though.

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Old 07-16-2010, 05:13 PM
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I don't think it is all plausible in this case, personally. I keep coming back to what is the simplest answer and the sad fact that when a child is gone just like "that", they are probably dead and probably at the hands of the last-known caretaker/adult. I think that LE believes Terri killed Kyron and hope to prove it, and if they get any more credible tips, we will probably be seeing more dives, searches, etc.

The parents have to believe Kyron is alive. It is all they have, even if they have to try to concoct scenarios where it might be possible.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:22 PM
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I doubt this is the case but I could see someone doing this if there was any type of abuse going or even getting others that would help cover. Kyron was not her bio son so she had no leg to stand on in a custody case.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:51 PM
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Cash;

I am still not certain TH did this, but your theory is as good as any. I do feel DY still fears KH, so maybe TH does now too. JMO, from empirical knowledge as the rest of us I suppose.

Underground may not have been TH's idea, maybe someone else's.

And, YES, there has been a HUGE lack of urgency about Kyron. It is sad, 4 parents and he is still an afterthought, as I see it, comparing to other parents in the same situation. You called that right.

JMO, MOOOoooooooooo
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I know of the underground network very, very well! They have safe guards to not let any of the wrong children get moved from where they are. We examine them very carefully to be sure they are in true immediate danger. They need extreme proof. Not just one person’s word. Doctors and Psychologist interview the child.
So with this being said. If they have him, it would be with necessitate and a solid case of abuse.
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:31 PM
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So how does one go about contacting an underground organization to hide one's child (or someone else's)?
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I know of the underground network very, very well! They have safe guards to not let any of the wrong children get moved from where they are. We examine them very carefully to be sure they are in true immediate danger. They need extreme proof. Not just one person’s word. Doctors and Psychologist interview the child.
So with this being said. If they have him, it would be with necessitate and a solid case of abuse.
ITA - and usually the underground takes an adult with the child (as in Mom and child or sometimes dad and child). I just don't believe that is the case here. TH wanted Kyron out of the picture no doubt but I just don't think she handed him off. If she did then why hasn't she talked? It is a much lesser crime to "hand off a child" than it is to murder one. Her silence and her "posturing" with regards to baby K and custody and moving out and all - screams guilt to me. Would really like to know what she is telling her lawyer and how she explained the "lie to my lawyer" comment.
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:42 PM
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So how does one go about contacting an underground organization to hide one's child (or someone else's)?



Actually you don’t, believe it or not they contact you. Their system has been in place for many, many, many years and it works.

Plus to add to my last post. They would have contacted LE ASAP in this case.
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I doubt this is the case but I could see someone doing this if there was any type of abuse going or even getting others that would help cover. Kyron was not her bio son so she had no leg to stand on in a custody case.
I'm with you and cluciano on this Cher.

While it is always possible (because anything is possible if it doesn't defy the laws of nature IMHO) it really isn't probable or very plausible.

Also upthread someone outlined the underground entities that are in place and they are usually used by bio parents with a child who has been abused by the other parent. I have seen very few cases where parents actually used those entities.

As far as handing him off to a pedophile underground ring, I find that even more implausible. It just doesn't pass the sniff test for me because that's not how pedo's usually work. JMHO.

Again, anything is possible and I'm not going to shoot down someone's thoughts or theories. JMHO.
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Actually you don’t, believe it or not they contact you. Their system has been in place for many, many, many years and it works.

Plus to add to my last post. They would have contacted LE ASAP in this case.
Now CN - I also know of underground networks that will IN NO WAY contact LE. DCF is this country has rampant "nasties" working for them. Remember that kid with cancer and his parents wanted to try alternative treatements (even the kid wanted it) but the state was trying to take him and force him into chemo? They went underground. And, IIRC he got the alternative treatment and was doing well - once LE and DCF caught up with them. They were somewhat wealthy so they had the resources to go "on the run". Most of us normal people don't have that.
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How do they find out that I have a child I want hidden?
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Now CN - I also know of underground networks that will IN NO WAY contact LE. DCF is this country has rampant "nasties" working for them. Remember that kid with cancer and his parents wanted to try alternative treatements (even the kid wanted it) but the state was trying to take him and force him into chemo? They went underground. And, IIRC he got the alternative treatment and was doing well - once LE and DCF caught up with them. They were somewhat wealthy so they had the resources to go "on the run". Most of us normal people don't have that.
True there are “those” cases, but believe me there is allot that goes on that is never known by the public. And I am going to leave it at that.
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If he were with an underground network, with all the publicity, I would be very surprised if they didn't arrange with LE for a turnover by now.
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Wondering how she would explain that Kyron needs to be hidden away from his parents? If she said that Kaine was abusive it would be natural for her to want protection to herself and the little girl too. Why just Kyron? If she said he was abused on his weekend visits to Medford why not first try to make an end to the visits?
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2. Why would someone hold onto him for TM at this late date when it is apparent how much trouble they will get in?


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A question for all of you.

Someone that you are close to comes to you and convinces you that their step child is being abused by the parent. (Irrelevant whether it's actually happening or not, only important that YOU are convinced that it is.) The step parent explains that the other bio parent has a medical condition which might worsen - in other words, a change of custody isn't a long term solution, as the abusive parent might end up getting the child back.

Step parent asks you to take the child and hide or flee until she can join you. You are in a position (economic, no dependents of your own) where you CAN do it.

From what you are told, there's no other way of getting the child away from their abuser.

What do you do?
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A question for all of you.

Someone that you are close to comes to you and convinces you that their step child is being abused by the parent. (Irrelevant whether it's actually happening or not, only important that YOU are convinced that it is.) The step parent explains that the other bio parent has a medical condition which might worsen - in other words, a change of custody isn't a long term solution, as the abusive parent might end up getting the child back.

Step parent asks you to take the child and hide or flee until she can join you. You are in a position (economic, no dependents of your own) where you CAN do it.

From what you are told, there's no other way of getting the child away from their abuser.

What do you do?
Call LE and DSS.
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A question for all of you.

Someone that you are close to comes to you and convinces you that their step child is being abused by the parent. (Irrelevant whether it's actually happening or not, only important that YOU are convinced that it is.) The step parent explains that the other bio parent has a medical condition which might worsen - in other words, a change of custody isn't a long term solution, as the abusive parent might end up getting the child back.

Step parent asks you to take the child and hide or flee until she can join you. You are in a position (economic, no dependents of your own) where you CAN do it.

From what you are told, there's no other way of getting the child away from their abuser.

What do you do?
By now after all the media attention, I would have contacted LE.
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Well, it would explain TH's weirdly passive stance in this whole situation. She didn't seem particularly devasted at the beginning, but instead strangely calm. She never spoke up to defend herself, and now she's losing her house and kid with nary a peep. You could interpret her behavior in lots of ways (guilt/innocence/lawyerly advice), of course, but *feeling totally assured because she believes she's doing the right thing* is one of them.

Personally, I think it's a pretty unlikely scenario. However, pretty much everything I can think of is unlikely. So....
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A question for all of you.

Someone that you are close to comes to you and convinces you that their step child is being abused by the parent. (Irrelevant whether it's actually happening or not, only important that YOU are convinced that it is.) The step parent explains that the other bio parent has a medical condition which might worsen - in other words, a change of custody isn't a long term solution, as the abusive parent might end up getting the child back.

Step parent asks you to take the child and hide or flee until she can join you. You are in a position (economic, no dependents of your own) where you CAN do it.

From what you are told, there's no other way of getting the child away from their abuser.

What do you do?
I have a question, too. If she were so convinced that her step son was being abused by his father that she would put him in an underground network to hide him, why would she not fight for her biological child and instead concede to allow that abusive father to have full custody without even supervised visitation?
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I don't think it is all plausible in this case, personally. I keep coming back to what is the simplest answer and the sad fact that when a child is gone just like "that", they are probably dead and probably at the hands of the last-known caretaker/adult. I think that LE believes Terri killed Kyron and hope to prove it, and if they get any more credible tips, we will probably be seeing more dives, searches, etc.

The parents have to believe Kyron is alive. It is all they have, even if they have to try to concoct scenarios where it might be possible.
I agree with you too Cluciano, unfortunately. I also think he will be found in that Skyline or SI area.

I also believe that Kyron's parents and Tony almost have to give out strong hope he is still alive so public interest doesn't wane.

There are many reasons I feel that way, #1 because LE has given no concern for a stranger or SO out there even though they are looking at everything. It seems to be an intro-familial investigation. That alone IMO lowers the odds of him being alive at this point. With all we know in this case what are the odds Terri would sell Kyron. I just don't see it. No, I think she would have him murdered before she's sell him based on her info and track record. xox MOO
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