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Old 04-20-2011, 02:20 AM
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...a good bedtime story, Katydid. But, there is no way Casey would sit in jail while she could tell this story on the outside for big bucks.
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I don't know. I bet the story is worth a whole lot more right now than ever before. They could blindside the heck out of him with the duct tape and the attempted suicide and his temper tantrums. ??????
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Since the bus might be headed for GA, (I did not search this forum for this answer, sorry), does anyone know offhand why GA was the only one who testified in front of the Grand Jury? and isn't his testimony what prompted ICA's arrest? I may be wrong here. Just trying to figure out why no one else testified in front of GJ. I know that testimony is sealed, but am just confused, if the bus is headed his way, can anything he testified to ever be made public? I know the answer is probably "no", but why didn't anyone else testify in front of the GJ does anyone recall?
That's a great question. I don't think I've ever seen it asked here before. I think, remembering back to that time, I just assumed it was because CA was in such denial and GA (at that time) was more based in reality. He was the one who talked about the smell in the car when he drove it back from the tow yard. How he prayed when he opened the trunk that his daughter or granddaughter was not in the trunk. He talked about knowing ICA had no job. On the other hand, the detectives seemed to indicate early on that CA didn't have a "real" definition of how ICA was...she was basically in la-la land.
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Since the bus might be headed for GA, (I did not search this forum for this answer, sorry), does anyone know offhand why GA was the only one who testified in front of the Grand Jury? and isn't his testimony what prompted ICA's arrest? I may be wrong here. Just trying to figure out why no one else testified in front of GJ. I know that testimony is sealed, but am just confused, if the bus is headed his way, can anything he testified to ever be made public? I know the answer is probably "no", but why didn't anyone else testify in front of the GJ does anyone recall?
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Because at that time, he was the only one who was being honest and truthful?
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Perhaps the DT can try to float the " pool accident " happening at Tone's apartment. Casey and Cindy have huge altercation. Casey calls Tone. Says, I know you don't want Caylee spending the night at your place, but there is so
much drama at my house right now and I don't want my precious subject to it. So can Caylee and I spend the night? Just one night until mommy dearest
has time to get over herself. Tone lets them stay. He gets up following morning goes about leaving for school or whatever. Casey isn't watching Caylee close enough or is showering and Caylee goes out the apartment door goes to the pool area ( because she loves pools and swimming so much ) falls in and drowns. Casey finds her. Puts her in the car and drives to Suburban DR. Tries to stage a backyard pool drowning here but it just doesn't work as
Cindy will still blame her for it because mommy dearest has a memory like an elephant and will surely remember she put the ladder up from the prior evenings swim with Caylee. Just a possibility........and .........JMO
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Perhaps the DT can try to float the " pool accident " happening at Tone's apartment. Casey and Cindy have huge altercation. Casey calls Tone. Says, I know you don't want Caylee spending the night at your place, but there is so
much drama at my house right now and I don't want my precious subject to it. So can Caylee and I spend the night? Just one night until mommy dearest
has time to get over herself. Tone lets them stay. He gets up following morning goes about leaving for school or whatever. Casey isn't watching Caylee close enough or is showering and Caylee goes out the apartment door goes to the pool area ( because she loves pools and swimming so much ) falls in and drowns. Casey finds her. Puts her in the car and drives to Suburban DR. Tries to stage a backyard pool drowning here but it just doesn't work as
Cindy will still blame her for it because mommy dearest has a memory like an elephant and will surely remember she put the ladder up from the prior evenings swim with Caylee. Just a possibility........and .........JMO
I think there is too much conflicting testimony for such a story. Yes the defense can put forth their theories, but where they directly conflict with witness testimony, and while offering no direct testimony of them they will quickly be dismissed by any jury as the bull plop that they are. It's like these stories today "Could Caylee's wet bathing suit cause the chloroform"? Ummm? has anybody found a bathing suit? Was it in the car? Because LE didn't find it in the car or with her. CA did not find it? As you might imagine screaming "the bathing suit caused it" quickly loses credibility when there is in fact no bathing suit in play.
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Um is anyone as angry as I am about the new motion to allow KC to tell her story through a third party?

I mean that makes me angry. So she is going to tell a new story/lie which I am thinking involves her father. I am convinced they are going to use George as a way to drum up reasonable doubt and I bet George is okay with this and this is why we are not seeing him inthe court room anymore and why KC showed little emotion when he testified.

I just can't believe she wants to tell a new story and then not have to be cross examined.

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Um is anyone as angry as I am about the new motion to allow KC to tell her story through a third party?

I mean that makes me angry. So she is going to tell a new story/lie which I am thinking involves her father. I am convinced they are going to use George as a way to drum up reasonable doubt and I bet George is okay with this and this is why we are not seeing him inthe court room anymore and why KC showed little emotion when he testified.

I just can't believe she wants to tell a new story and then not have to be cross examined.

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Can you think of anything KC has done the way it's "supposed to be done"???
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Um is anyone as angry as I am about the new motion to allow KC to tell her story through a third party?

I mean that makes me angry. So she is going to tell a new story/lie which I am thinking involves her father. I am convinced they are going to use George as a way to drum up reasonable doubt and I bet George is okay with this and this is why we are not seeing him inthe court room anymore and why KC showed little emotion when he testified.

I just can't believe she wants to tell a new story and then not have to be cross examined.

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This would be hearsay, which is why I believe Baez withdrew the doctors from the witness list..but he's still at it. If he insists then the only way this could happen is IF ICA takes the stand first, then they can go and testify to her state of mind/consciousness of guilt...

His Honor kept asking, what is the exception to the hearsay rule...I don't remember a definate answer from Baez...JMHO

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That's a great question. I don't think I've ever seen it asked here before. I think, remembering back to that time, I just assumed it was because CA was in such denial and GA (at that time) was more based in reality. He was the one who talked about the smell in the car when he drove it back from the tow yard. How he prayed when he opened the trunk that his daughter or granddaughter was not in the trunk. He talked about knowing ICA had no job. On the other hand, the detectives seemed to indicate early on that CA didn't have a "real" definition of how ICA was...she was basically in la-la land.
I guess this might be a question for the lawyer's thread, but does the DT also know what GA testified to in front of the GJ......are they able to view that testimony, does anyone know? I do recall his interview with the detectives at the very beginning, and he was being honest it seemed. I just wonder if there is something he testified to in the GJ that has never been made public through evidence already released, etc., that we will never hear about? maybe all he testified to there was found out in another way and will be brought in at the trial by the SA. So curious as to how this will all play out.
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Perhaps the DT can try to float the " pool accident " happening at Tone's apartment. Casey and Cindy have huge altercation. Casey calls Tone. Says, I know you don't want Caylee spending the night at your place, but there is so
much drama at my house right now and I don't want my precious subject to it. So can Caylee and I spend the night? Just one night until mommy dearest
has time to get over herself. Tone lets them stay. He gets up following morning goes about leaving for school or whatever. Casey isn't watching Caylee close enough or is showering and Caylee goes out the apartment door goes to the pool area ( because she loves pools and swimming so much ) falls in and drowns. Casey finds her. Puts her in the car and drives to Suburban DR. Tries to stage a backyard pool drowning here but it just doesn't work as
Cindy will still blame her for it because mommy dearest has a memory like an elephant and will surely remember she put the ladder up from the prior evenings swim with Caylee. Just a possibility........and .........JMO
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Casey's cell phone pings and computer usage tell a different story. And I believe TonyL and his roomates would be the first to dispel that story.

The cell phone pings indicate Casey was at the Anthony home or close to it.
Casey did not leave and drive towards TL's apartment until after 4pm on June 16
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Thank you for that, I read the article, I am still confused as to why he testified, did he volunteer, was he chosen for some specific reason, did the SA choose him....do we even know? does anyone on the forum know? I just find it bizarre he might be blamed, but he was the only A who testified at that timeframe. But this whole thing is so bizarre....
George was subpoenaed to testify at the Grand Jury. Mark Nejame accompanied George that day.
IIRC, from news articles, he was to testify to the smell in the car and the gas can events of June 24
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I guess this might be a question for the lawyer's thread, but does the DT also know what GA testified to in front of the GJ......are they able to view that testimony, does anyone know? I do recall his interview with the detectives at the very beginning, and he was being honest it seemed. I just wonder if there is something he testified to in the GJ that has never been made public through evidence already released, etc., that we will never hear about? maybe all he testified to there was found out in another way and will be brought in at the trial by the SA. So curious as to how this will all play out.
The Grand Jury testimony is sealed.
There was a motion filed by Jeff Ashton to unseal and obtain the Transcript of George's Grand Jury testimony .something about inconsistent testimony.
Judge Strickland Granted the Prosecutions motion.
I also remember Baez wanted to get his hands on George's grand jury testimony as well, arguing..if the state gets it then he should have it also.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20991571/detail.html Sept 18, 2009
Prosecution Wants George Anthony's Grand Jury Testimony

http://www.wftv.com/news/21218784/detail.html
Judge: Hand Over George Anthony Testimony October 6, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21218532/detail.html Judge Strickland's Order

Thread where we discuss Motion for Transcript of George's Grand Jury Testimony
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You can argue that was when he was trying to do right by Caylee but also spin it that he threw his daughter under the bus to save himself.. If you ignore a lot of facts.

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Cyber - I'm not sure I get what you mean by this.



Nevvvvvermind.........I reread it and it makes sense now.
Sorry I compacted the sentence too much.

I meant that if you take the DT spin that GA could have done it you can read GA testifying at the GJ two ways.

1. That GA was doing the right thing for Caylee, for once OR

2. That GA was throwing ICA under the bus to protect himself, since the DT theory is that he could be the Perp.

So it fits both motives. Hope that helps.
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What is bothering me is the fact that the DT tried to get one of their experts to testify to the possibility that one of Caylee's wet, chlorine-soaked swimsuits might have caused a chemical reaction with something else, thereby releasing chloroform.

However, they were trying to prove this theory as a 'hypothetical' one.

If they would have been able to prove this chemical reaction was possible in the hypothetical swimsuit scenario, does it not make sense that they could also prove it is possible that baby Caylee, recently drowned in a pool of chlorinated water, could produce the same chloroform?

So, was the swimsuit thing just an attempt to prove this reaction was possible? If so, I say they are going to go with the drowning baloney.

I am more and more sickened as the days go by.

And as far as throwing KC on the stand. I think the DT might just be so delusional as to think, once the jurors gaze into those gorgeous (cough, cough), snake eyes that sit so closely on the sides of KC's ample nose, the jury will have no choice but to believe she is truly beautiful (cough, cough, small seizure here) and that she could do no wrong.

Sickened more and more by the hour now.

I think they have a problem explaining the amount (levels) of chloroform in the trunk. Both decomposition and chlorine can cause it but not the vast amount that was found according to Dr. Vass. Evidenced imo by the DT going into heavy questioning about the exact measurement and how that was done for the chloroform. The instruments used never gave an exact reading for that by weight, measurement, etc. is what I am getting from the defense team and imo that is what they will play on. How do you know a combination of decomp, chlorine, urine, dryer sheets, etc. did not cause such a high level when you don't even know the exact level? As Dr. Vass has stated decomp wouldn't cause that much chloroform to be present vs. the DT saying there were a number of things present to cause that much chloroform. It just seems to be an accurate guess to me based on what the defense has indicated they are suggesting and the experts they are trying to use to validate those theories.
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I think they have a problem explaining the amount (levels) of chloroform in the trunk. Both decomposition and chlorine can cause it but not the vast amount that was found according to Dr. Vass. Evidenced imo by the DT going into heavy questioning about the exact measurement and how that was done for the chloroform. The instruments used never gave an exact reading for that by weight, measurement, etc. is what I am getting from the defense team and imo that is what they will play on. How do you know a combination of decomp, chlorine, urine, dryer sheets, etc. did not cause such a high level when you don't even know the exact level? As Dr. Vass has stated decomp wouldn't cause that much chloroform to be present vs. the DT saying there were a number of things present to cause that much chloroform. It just seems to be an accurate guess to me based on what the defense has indicated they are suggesting and the experts they are trying to use to validate those theories.
I don't recall Dr. Vass accurately pinpointing the exact measurement but didn't he say it was more than 10,000 units more than what he expected to find?
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I think there is too much conflicting testimony for such a story. Yes the defense can put forth their theories, but where they directly conflict with witness testimony, and while offering no direct testimony of them they will quickly be dismissed by any jury as the bull plop that they are. It's like these stories today "Could Caylee's wet bathing suit cause the chloroform"? Ummm? has anybody found a bathing suit? Was it in the car? Because LE didn't find it in the car or with her. CA did not find it? As you might imagine screaming "the bathing suit caused it" quickly loses credibility when there is in fact no bathing suit in play.
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Maybe there WAS a bathing suit and it was needing to be disposed of. Maybe that's what was flushed- by Casey- causing the plumbing problem Cindy and George had. The one that flooded a corner of Caylee's room.
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I don't recall Dr. Vass accurately pinpointing the exact measurement but didn't he say it was more than 10,000 units more than what he expected to find?
Yes, that's what I remember too.
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Maybe there WAS a bathing suit and it was needing to be disposed of. Maybe that's what was flushed- by Casey- causing the plumbing problem Cindy and George had. The one that flooded a corner of Caylee's room.
Just a speculation.
So whatever happened to the alleged wet bathing suit in the trunk? CA stated she took pants out. I don't recall LE finding a bathing suit in the trunk. And KC hadn't been home since the 16th. So where be this bathing suit?
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So whatever happened to the alleged wet bathing suit in the trunk? CA stated she took pants out. I don't recall LE finding a bathing suit in the trunk. And KC hadn't been home since the 16th. So where be this bathing suit?
The nanny has it.

Sorry, sorry. As with the idea that GA was the perp, the phantom bathing suit exists only in the minds of the defense, and only with the goal of creating "reasonable doubt" in ONE juror's mind. Reasonable doubt + one juror = mistrial. (The fact that they are apparently aiming for a mistrial rather than for exoneration is another story. One plays the game with the cards one is dealt, I suppose.)

All it took was DCS throwing the bathing suit concept out there in one hearing to get folks wondering about it, and that's all the defense team wants to do to the jury--create avenues of doubt. At this point they don't even seem too concerned about whether it's "reasonable" or not...
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So whatever happened to the alleged wet bathing suit in the trunk? CA stated she took pants out. I don't recall LE finding a bathing suit in the trunk. And KC hadn't been home since the 16th. So where be this bathing suit?
That's the thing - what bathing suit? The DT suggested it may have been a bathing suit dumped in the trunk - at one time - and now we are thinking there actually was a bathing suit! There was no bathing suit.

But the rest of the story is if there had been a bathing suit, the chloroform levels from the chlorine in the pool (not the Anthony's because they didn't use it) mixed with a few Febreeze sheets would not have caused those levels. Sure, and just how big is the bathing suit of a two year old?

But there was no bathing suit.
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Going from the clue that "something happened too long ago", adding the fact that we don't know who Caylee's father is......

What if the defense theory is that Casey was raped, and Caylee's murder was some sort of PTSD episode, or even that Caylee's father murdered Caylee and framed Casey?
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The State will take the what if's and ram them down the defense's throat without much trouble at all.

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That's the thing - what bathing suit? The DT suggested it may have been a bathing suit dumped in the trunk - at one time - and now we are thinking there actually was a bathing suit! There was no bathing suit.

But the rest of the story is if there had been a bathing suit, the chloroform levels from the chlorine in the pool (not the Anthony's because they didn't use it) mixed with a few Febreeze sheets would not have caused those levels. Sure, and just how big is the bathing suit of a two year old?

But there was no bathing suit.
Of course there's no bathing suit! Just like there's no nanny, no kidnappers threatening everyone's safety, no job at universal or anywhere else for that matter, blah blah blah. Never, in the annals of criminal events, has there been such a convoluted history and story, especially emanating from a very simple scenario--young single mother sick of being young single mother wants to snare young single guy that doesn't want kids either, so young mother kills kid. End of story.
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The nanny has it.

Sorry, sorry. As with the idea that GA was the perp, the phantom bathing suit exists only in the minds of the defense, and only with the goal of creating "reasonable doubt" in ONE juror's mind. Reasonable doubt + one juror = mistrial. (The fact that they are apparently aiming for a mistrial rather than for exoneration is another story. One plays the game with the cards one is dealt, I suppose.)

All it took was DCS throwing the bathing suit concept out there in one hearing to get folks wondering about it, and that's all the defense team wants to do to the jury--create avenues of doubt. At this point they don't even seem too concerned about whether it's "reasonable" or not...
That is exactly it. The defense just wants doubt no matter how crazy or illogical it sounds. They don't understand that it has to be REASONABLE doubt. They haven't come anywhere near reasonable with any explanation so far. It's just ridiculous theory after ridiculous theory. They jury would have to leave their brains at the door to believe the DT and acquit Casey at this point.

I sure hope someone is doing tests with tiny bathingsuits to disprove that craziness should the defense bring it up at trial!
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