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Old 05-06-2011, 08:10 PM
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Thanks for posting that info Bluesky. I sure hope that Chris and his Mom are able to access Victim services and all they have to offer. My heart goes out to them.

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Thanks for posting that info Bluesky. I sure hope that Chris and his Mom are able to access Victim services and all they have to offer. My heart goes out to them.

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Thank you patience, I'll be happy to.

It is important to know this Department provides resources to victims of domestic violence as well.

Chris Wieppart is Kiesha’s legal guardian. He had the power to change Kiesha's last name.
He is acting on her behalf so he qualifies for the VS Recovery Program. VS is a rehabilitation centre which covers a victim's losses, future expenses and legal bills. They advocate for their clients and have the power to access the resources they need. Victims of Violence can’t recover without their help IMO.

Chris will have to attend hearings and make decisions quickly so he needs a caring and concerned worker to counsel him.

Chris can depend entirely on Victim Services and I hope he reaches out and accepts the resources that are available to ALL crime victims. Qualified professionals are available to help him complete and file an application at no cost.

Someone needs to complete an application for Kristi and Robert’s surviving children.
Judge Larry Seidlin who presided in the custody battle for Dannielynn Birkhead had the child’s best interest at heart. His objective was to give the child the best chance possible in life after she suffered the loss of her mother and I hope the Judge who is appointed to represent Kristi and Rob’s children has the same desire at heart and follows his example.

Often a trust fund is established when children loose their parents and I think one should be established for each of Rob and Kristi’s children. It makes a big difference in a person’s life and I believe the children will really appreciate that people cared to do this for them when they are older.

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Victim Services in Australia co-ordinate support services to the families and friends of missing persons and they have two years to submit an application so those who want to can still file an application for compensation effective from July 31, 2010. Zahra Baker’s mother lives in Australia.

This is an excellent resource page for Australians crime victims. It lists the resources available in other states and everything else you need to know.

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=h...ad23689e277677

I’m happy Kiesha’s body was recovered. Here is how Victims of Violent Crimes are compensated:

If you have been injured by an act of violence, an assault, a robbery, domestic violence or sexual assault, that took place in New South Wales (NSW), you may be eligible for an award of compensation between $7,500 and $50,000.

Compensation can also be claimed in NSW if you are injured as a result of witnessing an act of violence or if you are injured while trying to prevent someone from committing an act of violence. Parents or guardians of children who are injured as a result of learning about the act of violence can also claim compensation.

Urgent payments can be made. You may also make a claim for counselling and for certain expenses incurred as a result of the act of violence.

Special compensation is available for members of the immediate family of a homicide victim.

Find out how to apply for compensation online and what happens after you lodge your application.

You do not need to be a resident of NSW to make a claim for compensation.

If the act of violence that caused the injury took place outside NSW, you should contact the relevant authority.

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Although Zahra Baker’s mother, Emily Dietrich, lives in Australia, because her daughter was murdered in the State of North Carolina in the United States of America, she needs to complete and submit an application with the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board in North Carolina. A Victims Services Worker or an Attorney in Australia will be available to assist her.

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Thank you patience, I'll be happy to.

It is important to know this Department provides resources to victims of domestic violence as well.

Chris Wieppart is Kiesha’s legal guardian. He had the power to change Kiesha's last name.
He is acting on her behalf so he qualifies for the VS Recovery Program. VS is a rehabilitation centre which covers a victim's losses, future expenses and legal bills. They advocate for their clients and have the power to access the resources they need. Victims of Violence can’t recover without their help IMO.

Chris will have to attend hearings and make decisions quickly so he needs a caring and concerned worker to counsel him.

Chris can depend entirely on Victim Services and I hope he reaches out and accepts the resources that are available to ALL crime victims. Qualified professionals are available to help him complete and file an application at no cost.

Someone needs to complete an application for Kristi and Robert’s surviving children.
Judge Larry Seidlin who presided in the custody battle for Dannielynn Birkhead had the child’s best interest at heart. His objective was to give the child the best chance possible in life after she suffered the loss of her mother and I hope the Judge who is appointed to represent Kristi and Rob’s children has the same desire at heart and follows his example.

Often a trust fund is established when children loose their parents and I think one should be established for each of Rob and Kristi’s children. It makes a big difference in a person’s life and I believe the children will really appreciate that people cared to do this for them when they are older.
I know a bit about victims compensation in NSW, relating to domestic violence thanks to my <interesting person> sister.
I don't like the system, but here's how it works. If you are attacked by a stranger or someone you don't have personal r/ship with, you need to prove physical or emotional injury and jump through a lot of hoops in order to be approved for compensation (which generally is not a lot of money).

However with DV, a long as the perp has been found guilty of DV, the victim will automatically be awarded the compensation as long as they apply for it.

This is why the system IMO is not fair....
14 years ago my sis got into an argument with her defacto. She threw a lighter at him, and he retaliated by throwing a slipper at her. He was injured, she was not, but he was charged with DV and found guilty. they got back together for a while, then my sister walked out on them (this was after custody of her kids had been given back to her because she had neglected them when he left her).
Early this year her ex-defacto gets paperwork saying that my sis has been approved for victims comp over the incident (14 years ago!) and that his parenting payment (he still has custody of both kids) will be garnished to pay back the gvt since she has already recieved the lump sum payment from them of over $9000. The victim can also apply for free councelling, but of course, she didn't apply for that.
So she is essentially taking money that is for her children who are the only true victims in the situation .
He went to legal aid about it and asked if their children were entitled to the compensation since they were present at the time. But they are entitled to NOTHING!
So now while my unharmed sister is living it up, going on holidays with that 9 grand, her children are having to survive on $50 less per week.


Sorry for going a 'lil OT, just wanted to show that the victims compensation system doesn't always recognise TRUE victims.
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Old 05-08-2011, 05:32 PM
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I am so happy!!

I tried googling 'Kiesha Abrahams' and only blogs come up. BUT...when I google Kiesha Weippeart, that's when I get all the news results. (no updates though)

She has her daddy's name back and I'm thrilled!!!

I''ll contact a mod to ask them to change the thread title to reflect who this angel really is.

ETA: Wonder how Kristi's first Mothers day was behind bars??
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Thanks to our Mods for changing the thread title. You guys rock!
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Accused ask to leave jail for funeral of Kiesha Weippeart

Family of accused killers Kristi Abrahams and Robert Smith yesterday revealed the pair had indicated they would like to be allowed to publicly farewell the little girl when her funeral is held towards the end of the month.

However, the girl's biological father Chris Weippeart said "hell would freeze over" before Abrahams and Smith would be welcomed at the funeral of his only daughter.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226054247885

Give me strength!! As far as I'm concerned KA and RS gave up all rights as parents when they murdered Kiesha! They have absolutely no right to attend Kiesha's funeral! Leave them sitting in jail until they face court and a jury of their peers for the murder of Kiesha.
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From his hospital bed in western Sydney yesterday, where he is being treated for complications associated with his diabetes, Mr Weippeart vowed to do whatever he could to stop the pair from being able to attend the funeral.

"My family are the ones left to deal with all of this and arrange the best send-off for Kiesha that she deserves, and, I'm telling you, they are not coming."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1226054335703

I'm really worried about Chris. He looked so fragile in the last photo that was published after the announcement of Kiesha's remains being found. And now he's back in hospital again.


Info about stress and diabetes....

Stress Response

According to the American Diabetes Association, when you are under stress--whether its physical or emotional--your body responds by sending more energy to your cells to activate the fight-or-flight syndrome. This extra energy comes from the glucose in your blood. In the case of diabetes, your body may not be able to utilize the glucose. This places a strain on the body as it tries to respond but does not have the energy to do so. This can leave you feeling drained and fatigued.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/57...#ixzz1M5o3o8Nx

IMO, the request to attend the funeral should be denied based on the security risk it would create for the inmates and the funeral would turn into a media circus with protestors etc. Kiesha deserves a farewell that is all about her, not the people accused of her murder.
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Kiesha Weippeart's funeral is off-limits for accused mother and stepfather

THE mother and stepfather of Kiesha Weippeart, who have been charged with her murder, will not attend her funeral.

New South Wales Corrective Services Commissioner Ron Woodham yesterday announced that the pair would not be allowed out of custody for the funeral.

The pair had told friends they were intending to apply for leave to attend the funeral of six-year-old Kiesha.

Mr. Woodham said neither had applied to attend the funeral. "There is a process for inmates to apply for escorted day leave, however in this case it would be denied," he said.

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I can't believe they wanted to.

Did they not see the mob of people that wanted to rip them apart?

Did they not think those same people would be at the funeral?

It's not like they would be sent with an army to protect them...

Maybe that was the idea... suicide by Kiesha's Angels?

Crazy people...
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Robert accompanied Kristi to visit Kiesha’s gravesite on her Birthday so I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised to hear Kristi and Robert told family they wanted to attend her funeral.

Neither Kristi or Robert made a formal request to attend so they likely realized their request wouldn’t be granted so they didn’t bother to file.

Kiesha wouldn’t want her mother and stepfather to attend her funeral IMO so Chris and the Justice System are protecting and fulfilling Kiesha's wishes by prohibiting them from attending.

There is a very good possibility Chris hasn’t seen or talked with Kristi Abrahams after she reported Kiesha “missing” so can you imagine how her presence would affect Chris if she and Robert showed up at Kiesha’s funeral? Kristi and Robert never had an ounce of respect for Chris and if they seriously wanted to attend the funeral without considering the impact their presence would have on Chris, it proves they still don’t IMO.

Robert’s mother is something else isn’t she? Is Mrs. Smith suggesting because Robert and Kristi "raised Kiesha" and Chris didn’t, they have the right to attend her funeral and the heck with how their presence will affect Chris and everyone else in attendance?

You would think Mrs. Smith and other family members would make Robert and Kristi understand why attending Kiesha’s funeral isn’t possible and drop it but instead outside the remand centre, Mrs. Smith made a fool out of herself when she told a reporter "I think they should be allowed to go ... they are innocent until proven guilty”.

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Is Mrs. Smith welcome at Kiesha's funeral?
Will Chris allow members of Kristi's and Robert's family to attend Kiesha's funeral?
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Is Mrs. Smith welcome at Kiesha's funeral?
Will Chris allow members of Kristi's and Robert's family to attend Kiesha's funeral?
If I were him I would as long as they stopped talking.

If they keep talking about how the people who led cops to the child's well hidden body are innocent until proven guilty... then I'd have an issue with it.

I don't know about Chris. I think Kiesha's maternal family would be more likely to be welcome than her mother's boyfriend's family. But he just might not have it in him to deal with any of them... and they might just have to hold their own funeral if they care enough, they will do so.
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Did LE say which body parts they found of Kiesha's? Did they go in and thoroughly search the area she was buried in? Did LE find her skull?

Will the recovered body parts be listed in the Autopsy Report and when will it be released? Will we have access to it?

LE said DNA testing was required to identify Kiesha. Did they say what they conducted the test on?

In the photo included in the interview “Our Kiesha is alive and well, say mum and stepfather”, the word on the front of Kristi’s t-shirt looks like it spells “HITLER”!

It doesn’t look like Robert is touching Kristi on her shoulder or back so I wonder if Robert physically abused Kristi too?

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Kiesha Weippeart's grave was no secret, police will allege.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226072658506

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Last night Channel 7 revealed police allegations that Kiesha was murdered on July 14.

She allegedly died after being thrown against the wall and knocked unconscious, causing blood to seep out of her ears. She was then allegedly put in the shower and, still wet, put to bed.

Police allege that the next morning, the six-year-old was dead but her parents left her body in the house until July 18, when they packed her remains into a suitcase and took it to the bushland in Shalvey.

They reported her missing to police on August 1.

According to Channel 7, prosecutors will also rely on alleged comments made by Abrahams as she watched news coverage of missing Australian girl Zahra Baker, whose body was found in bushland in North Carolina.


This sickens me to my core! What kind of animal could do this to this beautiful little girl? Which one of them threw Kiesha against the wall? And what in hell did Kristi have to say about Zahra who wasn't murdered and dismembered until September of last year? These pigs don't deserve to call themselves Australians! They are nothing more than rabid animals who should be put down for the safety of all of those around them.
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there is a report on this that goes into more depth but im not sure if i am allowed to post links on here ?if u type in google search bar. 7News exclusive: Kiesha’s death detailed in police brief. it should bring the page up.it is a news report video.very interesting and heartbreaking also. hope the scum get wat they deserve,
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MURDERED girl Kiesha Weippeart's stepfather and mother took other people into bushland where her shallow grave was located just before they were arrested, it will be alleged.

A statement of police evidence against Kiesha's mother Kristi Abrahams, 28, and stepfather Robert Smith, 31, reveals police will allege Smith indicated a shallow grave site to the people.

It will also be alleged that Abrahams' and Smith's communications included a text message between the pair the night before they reported Kiesha missing, when they told police they were together with their children - including Kiesha - watching the movie The Golden Compass. Neither Abrahams nor Smith could explain the text.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/kies...#ixzz1OrB6xtXB
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Initially Police alleged Kiesha disappeared between July 20-July 27th, 2010 but now they believe she died one week earlier on Wednesday, July 14th, 2010. Kristi gave birth to her son in the hospital one week earlier on July 7th, 2010.

I didn’t find the exact day of Robert Smith's and Kristi Abraham’s next scheduled Court appearance which will be sometime in June. Nor have I found any information on when Kiesha’s funeral will take place pending the release of her remains.

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Court documents say police allege the pair murdered Kiesha at Mount Druitt between July 20 and July 27 last year, about a week before she was reported missing.

http://www.news.com.au/national/two-...-1226043191911

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Last night Channel 7 revealed police allegations that Kiesha was murdered on July 14.

http://www.news.com.au/national/kies...-1226072762440

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As the search for the western Sydney girl entered its third day today, police said they were puzzled no-one except her parents appeared to have seen Kiesha in the last three weeks.

Detective Inspector Russell Oxford of the NSW Police homicide squad said Kiesha's grandmother last saw her on July 7 when the little girl visited her newborn brother in hospital.

It is around this time that family friends last reported sighting the little girl, who has been described as happy, quiet and not given to wandering off.

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Kiesha must have been attacked in her home and died from her injuries shortly after
Mr. Smith was seen attacking a little girl believed to be Kiesha outside a grocery store about a fortnight before she was reported missing. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225903995704

Robert, or whoever it was that threw Kiesha against the wall, may claim they did not intend to kill Kiesha which would potentially reduce the charge from first degree murder to manslaughter. They might claim when Kiesha misbehaved at bedtime they hit her but didn’t intend to kill her so her death was ‘accidental’.

Police claim Kiesha's body was hid in the home for 4 days after her death and Police involved in Robert Manwill's case claim his body was hid in a closest in Daniel Ehrlick's apartment where Robert died of injuries he sustained from beatings inflicted upon him over a span of approximately 3 weeks.
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/91054704.html

These ‘other people’ must be Robert and Kristi’s relatives. Police stated awhile ago others may face charges so if LE have proof others knew where Kiesha’s parents buried her remains, so why haven’t LE pressed charges against them? If LE want to offer them immunity in exchange for their testimony during the trial, could this be why?
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Kiesha Weippeart's grave was no secret, police will allege.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226072658506

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Last night Channel 7 revealed police allegations that Kiesha was murdered on July 14.

She allegedly died after being thrown against the wall and knocked unconscious, causing blood to seep out of her ears. She was then allegedly put in the shower and, still wet, put to bed.

Police allege that the next morning, the six-year-old was dead but her parents left her body in the house until July 18, when they packed her remains into a suitcase and took it to the bushland in Shalvey.

They reported her missing to police on August 1.

According to Channel 7, prosecutors will also rely on alleged comments made by Abrahams as she watched news coverage of missing Australian girl Zahra Baker, whose body was found in bushland in North Carolina.

This is murder, period. I really hate that somehow they will say "accident" or "hash parenting" (aka, ABUSE), ... seeing blood flow out of a child's ears after you threw them into a wall, then putting them in the shower as a relieve all....


Is "right and wrong" that hard to tell now days?

Murder, period.

MOO.

(I too am sick seeing this report.)
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Did Robert Smith have a criminal history?

Kiesha Weippeart’s case is strikingly similar to Robert Manwill’s case; the 8-year-old boy who died from injuries inflicted upon him while he was visiting his mother and her live-in partner during the summer of 2009 in Boise, Idaho. The mother of the boy found later dead in an Idaho canal and her live-in boyfriend were both indicted on first-degree murder charges by an Ada County grand jury. Ehrlick is also charged with failure to report a death to law enforcement, while Jenkins is charged as an accessory for failing to report Manwill’s death to law enforcement. Melissa Jenkins pled guilty and her charges were reduced to “aiding and abetting”. Jenkins will be sentenced in August 2011 and she is facing 25 years behind bars. Melissa Jenkins, who has immunity, is expected to testify at Daniel Ehrlick’s trial as early as next week.

Robert was missing for more than a week before his body was found floating in the canal August 3, 2010. No cause of death has been released, but police said evidence showed the death was not accidental so perhaps the State will present evidence to prove Kiesha’s death was not accidental in order to charge them with first degree murder. The fact medical help wasn’t sought for Kiesha after she lost consciousness and a witness saw Robert Smith attack Kiesha days before her death will support the State’s claim that Kiesha’s death was not accidental. In Robert Manwill's case, there was a hole in a wall that prosecutors believe was caused by Ehrlick when he bashed Robert's head against it. The force inflicted upon Kiesha might have left a dent or mark on the wall and forensic tests will reveal how much force was applied.

Both Melissa Jenkins and Kristi Abrahams have a history of ‘willfully inflicting" injury upon their children. Kristi Abrahams bit Kiesha’s shoulder when she was very young but she was never convicted; however Melissa Jenkins was for striking her child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull" on Oct. 19, 2008.

According to the testimony given in Court in week 4 of Daniel’s Ehrlick’s murder trial, none of the relatives said they knew Robert was murdered by either Melissa or Daniel, but if Kristi Abraham’s and Robert Smith’s relatives knew Kiesha was dead and where her remains were buried, don’t they have a responsibility to report this information to the Police Department?

We'll know more after their next court appearance.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540443,00.html

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225903995704

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I have a lot of time on my hands this summer so have been reading here (whoo hoo for productivity!) and here is something (snipped) posted in the Child Victim thread of the Long Island Serial Killer forum.

“It would just be odd for a mom to bury a child at some place that she had no connection to,” Professor Meyer said of the toddler on Long Island, adding: “Transporting the body somewhere else for a burial — that doesn’t sound to me like a mom. But wrapping the body in a blanket does. So maybe you have a couple.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/ny...-fit.html?_r=2

Does this quote shed any light on who may have been the one to kill Keisha (imo both are culpable and deserve everything justice can mete out but...). I know that there has been some discussion of Kristi MAYBE being an abuse victim; I just don't see it, but it may make sense.
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I have a lot of time on my hands this summer so have been reading here (whoo hoo for productivity!) and here is something (snipped) posted in the Child Victim thread of the Long Island Serial Killer forum.

“It would just be odd for a mom to bury a child at some place that she had no connection to,” Professor Meyer said of the toddler on Long Island, adding: “Transporting the body somewhere else for a burial — that doesn’t sound to me like a mom. But wrapping the body in a blanket does. So maybe you have a couple.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/ny...-fit.html?_r=2

Does this quote shed any light on who may have been the one to kill Keisha (imo both are culpable and deserve everything justice can mete out but...). I know that there has been some discussion of Kristi MAYBE being an abuse victim; I just don't see it, but it may make sense.
Hello goatman and thank you for joining the discussion.

“Police allege it was Smith who indicated a shallow grave site to the people.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/kies...-1226072762440

What is the distance between the bushland in Shalvey and the apartment complex Kiesha lived with her family?

There are witnesses who said both Robert and Kristi were mean to Kiesha. We don't know if Kiesha's stepsister, who is Robert's biological daughter and was approx. 3 years old when Kiesha was reported missing, was also being abused. Kiesha could have been what is termed "a targeted child". Kristi and Robert's son was one-week old if Kiesha was murdered on July 14, 2010 which was a Wednesday. Most women are released from the hospital 2-3 days after giving birth so Kiesha was murdered shortly after Kristi returned home.

Caylee Anthony’s remains which were buried near her home were wrapped in plastic bags and a heart was found on the duct tape that was found on her mouth IIRC. This article says Kiesha’s body was transported in a suitcase but nothing about whether any clothing or blanket were found in or near her grave. Her parents allege she was abducted during the night and Kiesha was wearing her night clothes. LE confiscated her bedsheets so she wasn't wrapped in them before she was placed in the shallow grave. Robert Manwill's body was found in a canal dressed in street clothes because his mother's partner alleged he was abducted while he was outside. Rocks were found in his pant's pocket to weigh his body down, his t-shirt was covering his head, and he was wearing women's socks.

In these three cases, there were no eye witnesses or confession.

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“Police allege it was Smith who indicated a shallow grave site to the people.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/kies...-1226072762440

What is the distance between the bushland in Shalvey and the apartment complex Kiesha lived with her family?

There are witnesses who said both Robert and Kristi were mean to Kiesha. We don't know if Kiesha's stepsister, who is Robert's biological daughter and was approx. 3 years old when Kiesha was reported missing, was also being abused. Kiesha could have been what is termed "a targeted child". Kristi and Robert's son was one-week old if Kiesha was murdered on July 14, 2010 which was a Wednesday. Most women are released from the hospital 2-3 days after giving birth so Kiesha was murdered shortly after Kristi returned home.

Caylee Anthony’s remains which were buried near her home were wrapped in plastic bags and a heart was found on the duct tape that was found on her mouth IIRC. This article says Kiesha’s body was transported in a suitcase but nothing about whether any clothing or blanket were found in or near her grave. Her parents allege she was abducted during the night and Kiesha was wearing her night clothes. LE confiscated her bedsheets so she wasn't wrapped in them before she was placed in the shallow grave. Robert Manwill's body was found in a canal dressed in street clothes because his mother's partner alleged he was abducted while he was outside. Rocks were found in his pant's pocket to weigh his body down, his t-shirt was covering his head, and he was wearing women's socks.

In these three cases, there were no eye witnesses or confession.
I think, what interests me the most about your response is the similarities between leaving just the clothes the child is reported missing in AND faking an abduction. So maybe that is of bigger significance? That the abduction fake, which is a drain on the states resources, was premeditated (as in they knew they were going to do that probably before they buried her). It was a conscious decision, not premeditated? LOL I hope someone can follow this!
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