Found Deceased Australia - Kiesha Weippeart (Abrahams), 6, Sydney, 31 July 2010 - #2

[Bluesky#1]

Originally Posted by butwhatif?

A couple of happier smiles from Kiesha.....But she's younger in both.




Wonder who the blonde is that Kiesha is snuggling up with in the second pic?
Maybe foster mum from when she was taken out of Kristi's care?

Kiesha had a sparkle in her eyes then back then, looks so happy, content and confident.

Is it just me, or does it look like she has a black eye in this pic?

There is a woman with long blonde hair sitting behind Kiesha in the hospital room too.

[watchful_eye]

Thank you butwhatif for originally posting those photos. What a darling little girl, who seems to have changed for the worse as she aged (in the photos).

I don't see any signs of physical abuse in the hospital pic, just her facial expression/eyes that tell a story.

Nice catch you guys for noticing the blond woman in 2 different photos. She probably has nothing to do with the case though, but she may know Rob and Kristi and have insight into their lives. Perhaps she is a family friend or aunt/cousin of Kiesha's.

After looking at several pictures of Kiesha, I am starting to wonder that despite there being pictures taken of Kiesha, were they lovingly displayed in Kristi and Rob's home? I wonder if the authorities looked around the home for clues into what Kiesha's home life was like. A family friend had said Kiesha's room was very bare. Was the rest of the home void of signs that a loving family was living there?

[debs]

I believe the mother's penchant for hiding her face like she's doing a perp walk, and in one image, flipping off the media, says that pictures on the wall would never have been able to depict a loving home for Keisha

[kant]

Originally Posted by debs

I believe the mother's penchant for hiding her face like she's doing a perp walk, and in one image, flipping off the media, says that pictures on the wall would never have been able to depict a loving home for Keisha

I cant recall, off the top of my head, seeing any photos of parents of missing children who cover their faces/heads upon going to and from an LE station. Hhhhmmmm...

And the finger that is presumably directed to the press/media - who BTW are keeping her missing child's face in the public eye - is such an appreciative.... and classy gesture.

wow


moo

[kant]

Originally Posted by Beagle

There has been no mention of home schooling and permission from the education dept is required if you want to home school (with pretty strict guidlines, which I don't think they would pass). So if that was the case I think that would have been mentioned. JMO

In addition to the "went to bed and someone took her" bit and the odd ramblings about bedding, the other element reminding me of the Cummings case is the not in school part.

Even tho there's a difference b/w the claimed, "home schooling" story versus Haleigh's myriad absences, imo they both smack of, "dont want to be bothered getting the child up, ready, and off to school in the morning" and/or "Dont want teachers/other adults to witness the child's condition on particular days" type of scenario.

moo

[Mrs G Norris]

Child toll sparks MP queries over DOCS

A TOTAL of 149 children known to the NSW Department of Community Services died last year, leading MPs to question whether a $750 million package of protection reforms is really working.

That figure brings to 858 the number of deaths of children known to DOCS since 2003. In many of the cases the department had closed its investigations at the time of the children's deaths.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/child-toll...915-15cs6.html

Now that is a sobering statistic. And $750m? That should be enough funding surely? This really does seem like one of those impossible to fix problems doesn't it.

[kant]

Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris

Child toll sparks MP queries over DOCS

A TOTAL of 149 children known to the NSW Department of Community Services died last year, leading MPs to question whether a $750 million package of protection reforms is really working.

That figure brings to 858 the number of deaths of children known to DOCS since 2003. In many of the cases the department had closed its investigations at the time of the children's deaths.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/child-toll...915-15cs6.html

Now that is a sobering statistic. And $750m? That should be enough funding surely? This really does seem like one of those impossible to fix problems doesn't it.

bbm

That..... or misallocation of funds and/or fishy handlers of the funds.

moo

[oreily85]

Originally Posted by butwhatif?

Wonder who the blonde is that Kiesha is snuggling up with in the second pic?
Maybe foster mum from when she was taken out of Kristi's care?

I normally just read the boards, but in this case I can actually help lol

The blonde lady in both pics is Roberts mother - Rebecca Smith.

[butwhatif?]

Originally Posted by oreily85

I normally just read the boards, but in this case I can actually help lol

The blonde lady in both pics is Roberts mother - Rebecca Smith.

Thanks oreily85, and welcome to Websleuths..... keep on posting.

Do you know if they were close, or if Kiesha spent a lot of time with Robs parents? Kiesha just looks so happy in that picture with them....so different to all the others we've seen.

[butwhatif?]

Originally Posted by kant

bbm

That..... or misallocation of funds and/or fishy handlers of the funds.

moo

Here's where we can start probing into DoCS and their sister services....

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/


Early intervention and the brighter futures program:

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/for_..._services.html

Now this is a program that I (kinda) have personal experience with, but they get a massive FAIL from me.
(sorry, not trying to make this about me, just sharing my experience to paint a picture for you all.)

When my Dad was dying, and we had moved to a very small rural town to be with him, the palliative nursing team put us in touch with this program.

Because of the circumstances (dad dying and being in a very remote area), and my history of depression and anxiety I was eligible and was approved for assistance from brighter futures.

We were promised the world and given NOTHING. They failed to deliver on any of their offers of assistance.
I didn't ask for the help- it was offered to me and I would have accepted that help. But once the paperwork was complete, and I was told I was approved I never heard from them again.

Then a year after my dad died, I was back in Sydney, but had a breakdown and was in a deep depressive state that required a short stay at in a psych ward. ( If they had've followed through with their promises this probably would never have happened).

When I got home, I called DoCS myself to see if I could get any assistance for my children and I. I didn't want money, I just wanted and needed some practical support.
They said that I could call the brighter futures number and get assistance through them.
Yet when they sent out the p/work I wasn't approved this time because I had put in the application back when my dad was dying....even though they didn't do anything to help us back then.

So when I REALLY needed it, and when I was ASKING for help- they did nothing .....again.

It seems like if you're able to recognise you need help, and have the common sense to reach out for help, they think you don't need their support.

When I was in the hospital, one of the other women who also had major depression, did have the support of the brighter futures program for her children. But only because DoCS was called in because of her childrens absences from school, because she couldn't drag herself out of bed each day to get them there.

They helped the kids while she was in the hospital, but not her. So that when she eventually did get out of the hospital, she returned to the same cycle.

It all looks good on paper but in real life it just isn't effective or reliable....in my pesonal experience anyway.

[westsidefox64]

I have spent the day reading the first thread then this one. This poor little girls story just tugs at my heart. I have so many questions but want to go back and read through 1 more time before I comment on them. One question I do have is whats the difference between a kilometre and a mile?

[butwhatif?]

Originally Posted by westsidefox64

I have spent the day reading the first thread then this one. This poor little girls story just tugs at my heart. I have so many questions but want to go back and read through 1 more time before I comment on them. One question I do have is whats the difference between a kilometre and a mile?

1 kilometer = 0.621371192 miles

[oreily85]

Originally Posted by butwhatif?

Thanks oreily85, and welcome to Websleuths..... keep on posting.

Do you know if they were close, or if Kiesha spent a lot of time with Robs parents? Kiesha just looks so happy in that picture with them....so different to all the others we've seen.

Thanks butwhatif!

I wish I had more for you, but I dont know the family unfortunately. Ive just been mesmerised by Kieshas disappearance since Day 1. Im not sure why, probably because Im from Western Sydney so it hits close to home?

I have read everything there is lol Its just such an intriguing case. There was a conversation on another board I used to visit,and someone confirmed that the lady was Roberts mother. Shes related to the family and just clarifies little things like that etc. I think shes as much in the dark as the rest of us, but was handy to know who the lady was

[Patience]

Has anyone found out when Kiesha's birthday is yet? Why the big secret? Someone on facebook mentioned they thought it was in July and that she just turned 6 but nowhere is this confirmed that I have been able to find, unless it is here and I missed it. If her birthday is not known publicly yet then I think this would be a big clue. Did she have a celebration? Did her biodad and grandmother see her on her birthday? Did they call her and speak to her? I just can't get past the fact that her birthday is hidden from everyone. I think this is a very important part of this puzzle.

p.s. Thank you to all the locals in Australia who post here, you're knowledge and insight is very valueable to us and I hope you continue to post here even when sweet Kiesha is found, if she is ever found.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Patience

Has anyone found out when Kiesha's birthday is yet? Why the big secret? Someone on facebook mentioned they thought it was in July and that she just turned 6 but nowhere is this confirmed that I have been able to find, unless it is here and I missed it. If her birthday is not known publicly yet then I think this would be a big clue. Did she have a celebration? Did her biodad and grandmother see her on her birthday? Did they call her and speak to her? I just can't get past the fact that her birthday is hidden from everyone. I think this is a very important part of this puzzle.

p.s. Thank you to all the locals in Australia who post here, you're knowledge and insight is very valueable to us and I hope you continue to post here even when sweet Kiesha is found, if she is ever found.

Her birthday is 22nd April 2004 and has now been known for a little while. Don't know why it took so long to get revealed.

[debs]

Originally Posted by Patience

Has anyone found out when Kiesha's birthday is yet? Why the big secret? Someone on facebook mentioned they thought it was in July and that she just turned 6 but nowhere is this confirmed that I have been able to find, unless it is here and I missed it. If her birthday is not known publicly yet then I think this would be a big clue. Did she have a celebration? Did her biodad and grandmother see her on her birthday? Did they call her and speak to her? I just can't get past the fact that her birthday is hidden from everyone. I think this is a very important part of this puzzle.

p.s. Thank you to all the locals in Australia who post here, you're knowledge and insight is very valueable to us and I hope you continue to post here even when sweet Kiesha is found, if she is ever found.

According to a Daily Telegraph article interviewing her dad and his mother, they have not seen her in 3 years.

[butwhatif?]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Her birthday is 22nd April 2004 and has now been known for a little while. Don't know why it took so long to get revealed.

To my knowledge the police and media haven't released that info. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
I only found out her DOB from my source. And after posting it here, it got picked up by some FB groups, who had also been digging to try to find it.

It was pretty weird that the missing persons flier listed her DOB as 'unknown at this time'.....or something along those lines.... But it did say she was 6 years old.

ETA: This is what I got from my source when I asked for info for our FA's....
22/04/2004 KIESHA LOUISE ANNE ABRAHAMS, BLACKTOWN BORN, AUSTRALIAN INDIGENOUS BLOOD.

I'll double -check it , and confirm if this means she was born in Blacktown hospital or if they just meant the city of blacktown.

[butwhatif?]

Just sent an email asking about the Blacktown thing and if they know Kristis DOB. They don't know the actual time of Kieshas birth (for the FA's) unfortunately.

ETA: Also googled Kiesha Abrahams missing persons flyer and a FB group listed her as last seen in July.....so that could be were the July thing comes in.

[ozgirl70]

Hello to all.

Another first time poster here.

I have been following poor Kiesha's story from the very start. I've noticed a few people wondering why Kiesha would be sleeping in a bedroom alone.IMO it is possible that DOCS imposed the condition that she have her own room before they would allow her to be returned to Kristi. I have heard of this condition being imposed in other cases, although of course I have no idea if it is true here.

[revampz]

the above 3 photos certainly prove that the cheerfulness in her eyes definitely dimmed over the years...

my theory is not so much physical abuse as no one can prove this yet, but certainly a degree of neglect and I dont think with clothes or food but love....

the dad that loved her is not involved with her at all from a young age, mum has had problems with bonding with her babies, we have knowledge of this, mum bites her and puts her in hospital she is sent off to foster care.......maybe she bonded with them and was really happy,and sad about being taken from them...

while she was gone mum meets new fellow has another baby and they are a little family unit, and let me tell you judging by every photo of stepdad I have seen, he does not seem like a happy, easy going metro does he???? he always seems to have a scowl on his face, my bet is he never bonded with Kiesha nor wanted to, she would have been the outsider.....

this is close to my heart as I have been involved in a family where a kid was an outsider...in fact lets face it, in this modern society of all these blended families, it is very, very, very common.....

I think mum just went along with new man and has her new little nuclear family and doesnt/didnt give much of a hoot about kiesha, just probably did her duty of keeping her clean, feeding and clothing her......

if it is true about her room having no toys or decorations, well say no more that is just heartbreaking......

and the fact that she couldnt be bothered about taking her to school really shows me just how much this mother cared.....

and I am sure Kiesha was aware of this.....hence her dimmed smile....

[watchful_eye]

Any news??

[watchful_eye]

Any news??

[butwhatif?]

Originally Posted by watchful_eye

Any news??

No unfortunately.....nothing coming out in the media at all.

But some of the FB groups are organising a public search for next week-end.

[butwhatif?]

Originally Posted by revampz

the above 3 photos certainly prove that the cheerfulness in her eyes definitely dimmed over the years...

my theory is not so much physical abuse as no one can prove this yet, but certainly a degree of neglect and I dont think with clothes or food but love....

the dad that loved her is not involved with her at all from a young age, mum has had problems with bonding with her babies, we have knowledge of this, mum bites her and puts her in hospital she is sent off to foster care.......maybe she bonded with them and was really happy,and sad about being taken from them...

while she was gone mum meets new fellow has another baby and they are a little family unit, and let me tell you judging by every photo of stepdad I have seen, he does not seem like a happy, easy going metro does he???? he always seems to have a scowl on his face, my bet is he never bonded with Kiesha nor wanted to, she would have been the outsider.....

this is close to my heart as I have been involved in a family where a kid was an outsider...in fact lets face it, in this modern society of all these blended families, it is very, very, very common.....

I think mum just went along with new man and has her new little nuclear family and doesnt/didnt give much of a hoot about kiesha, just probably did her duty of keeping her clean, feeding and clothing her......

if it is true about her room having no toys or decorations, well say no more that is just heartbreaking......

and the fact that she couldnt be bothered about taking her to school really shows me just how much this mother cared.....

and I am sure Kiesha was aware of this.....hence her dimmed smile....

BBM-
LOL, Sorry, but I had to laugh at Rob and metro being in the same sentence.

[butwhatif?]

From beagles media timeline.... (thanks)

Police say Kiesha's parents are suspects
Updated Sun Aug 8, 2010 12:37pm AEST

Police investigating the disappearance of six-year-old western Sydney girl Kiesha Abrahams say her immediate family are all being treated as suspects.
It is a week today since the girl's mother reported her missing from their Mount Druitt home.
Detectives have interviewed the girl's mother, stepfather and father, who have all denied involvement in her disappearance.
But Inspector Oxford says everyone is being considered a suspect at this stage.
The girl's mother and stepfather have been living in a nearby hotel, which he also questioned the wisdom of.
"I wonder if Kiesha happens to walk home, and who's there to wait for her?" he said.
Inspector Oxford says they are not giving up yet but he believes there is little hope of finding her alive.
"I still entertain a hope but you've got to be realistic," he said.
"After all this time if she's a young six-year-old girl by herself, where has she gone and has she perished somewhere?"
First posted Sun Aug 8, 2010 12:26pm AEST (ABC News Website)

Note that this is when the police state they are losing hope of finding Kiesha alive.

Then the next day a raid is carried out on the unit:

A DRAMATIC second raid was made on the home of missing girl Kiesha Abrahams yesterday after police received fresh allegations. Homicide detectives and a team of forensic police wearing blue jumpsuits arrived at the family home in Woodstock Ave, Hebersham, armed with floor plans for the unit about 3pm.

They emerged carrying internal doors, skirting boards, rolls of carpet, and what appeared to be a child's mattress.

Police would not elaborate on what new information they had received, other than to say it was "significant to the case".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225903168853

^bbm-
What kind of allegations would send them back to remove these items?

Why did it take over a week for them to take a childs mattress? (presuming it was Kiesha's)....especially if Kristi had told the police that the bed was stripped when she went in there that morning? Or had she not told them that tidbit back then?
Still I'd assume the first thing they would take would be Kieshas mattress, if it was thought she was taken from her bed.

And why were floor plans needed? Or is that SOP?
Gotta go back and look into the first search of the unit....to see if it they did remove a matress in the beginning.

ETA:

August 3, 2010

In addition to the ground search, a forensics team combing the family's brick flat for clues will focus on the front door, which was found ajar on Sunday morning, when Ms Abrahams realised her daughter was missing.

"[Whether there was] forced entry is being looked at by [the] crime scene [team]; we're gaining as much physical evidence as we can from the scene," Superintendent Cox said.