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Old 10-10-2010, 03:23 PM
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His military collections ie: uniforms/combat clothes would most likely have been stored in "kit boxes" ( grey or black small trunks) supplied by the military or the common type duffle bags...not boxes.. I can see why MEH would not have bothered looking in those...BUT if his treasures were stored in regular boxes I think as a wife I would have been curious especially when moving to a new home because that is when you can get the chance to purge "junk"...

Also, considering they were temporary out of a home in the Ottawa area while their new house was under construction..where did he store these "treasures"...in a storage unit???
Safety deposit box perhaps ?

Interesting that he would store the boxes in Ottawa when it seems he spent the majority of his time in Tweed.
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does anyone else suspect the 'acting on his impulses' started in college and that the breakup with his g/f may have either been b/c she realized he was a creep or it was his first 'trigger' or both?

I sure would like to hear from that g/f

and what happened that caused a rift between him & his family? it doesn't make common sense that an adult man would be angry at his mother for getting divorced, unless he thinks she was responsible for a whole lot of issues/problems/rifts in his life

I suspect he harboured hostility for his mother (& all women?) since he was a young lad but why???
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Another great catch, cleaning the victim after assault? Surely that must be very rare.

I would think (hope?) LE will be reviewing all unsolved assaults in areas where RW was known to be, especially ones where the victim was nurtured in some way after the crime.
I doubt that the act of wiping down the victim was out of any consideration for her, but more an attempt to eliminate his DNA from the crime scene.
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does anyone else suspect the 'acting on his impulses' started in college and that the breakup with his g/f may have either been b/c she realized he was a creep or it was his first 'trigger' or both?

I sure would like to hear from that g/f

and what happened that caused a rift between him & his family? it doesn't make common sense that an adult man would be angry at his mother for getting divorced, unless he thinks she was responsible for a whole lot of issues/problems/rifts in his life

I suspect he harboured hostility for his mother (& all women?) since he was a young lad but why???
I agree that his crimes probably go back a lot further than we know at this point.

As for him going "ballistic" over the split between NW and JS, it does seem his anger was against his mother (because he continued to have contact with JS as evidenced by the races that both of them ran subsequent to the 2001 split). As for his anger towards his brother, could have been simply because the brother sided with the mom, or didn't take RW's side.

I still think the JS / CDW legalized wife swap when RW was a kid would have been a lot for a youngster to wrap their brain around at that stage in their social development. We aren't talking the "normal" split where ma and pa kind of established separate lifestyles with new partners, and his loyalty could be focused towards his primary caregiver. This was a situation where someone who was a friend became dad, and dad became a friend (and of course married the witch that took dad away). Seems to me it could have resulted in a twisted sense of abandonment even though all 4 adults somehow remained in his immediate circle. Am I making any sense at all? IF not, please be kind and go on to the next post
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I think I would rather believe the quote someone mentioned in one of the news articles in reference to Hector from Silence of the Lambs.."nothing happened to me..I happened"..

This guy seemed to function well throughout his career...hiding his "other side" as most have stated that they "saw nothing out of the ordinary" but then they would have to say that because they were the ones who kept promoting him. This guy outsmarted everyone...well not everyone because he was caught eventually... Pure evil and I don't blame Mommy or Daddy no matter what their lifestyle...
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I think I would rather believe the quote someone mentioned in one of the news articles in reference to Hector from Silence of the Lambs.."nothing happened to me..I happened"..

This guy seemed to function well throughout his career...hiding his "other side" as most have stated that they "saw nothing out of the ordinary" but then they would have to say that because they were the ones who kept promoting him. This guy outsmarted everyone...well not everyone because he was caught eventually... Pure evil and I don't blame Mommy or Daddy no matter what their lifestyle...
LOL, although fiction, Hector himself was not very perceptive .. he was a nice kid until his sister was murdered.

I'm not laying blame for RW's crimes on his parents or anyone's doorstep but his. We were discussing events in his life that may have been emotional experiences. If he just "happened" or was born "pure evil", then there is nothing to analyze about his life or find what makes him tick.

I was reading some of Bundy's words prior to his execution:

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During the interview, Bundy made repeated, previously unclaimed statements regarding the pornographic "roots" of his crimes. Bundy stated that while pornography did not cause him to commit murder, the consumption of violent pornography helped "shape and mold" his violence into "behavior too terrible to describe." He alleged that he felt that violence in the media, "particularly sexualized violence," sent boys "down the road to being Ted Bundys." In the same interview, Bundy stated:

You are going to kill me, and that will protect society from me. But out there are many, many more people who are addicted to pornography, and you are doing nothing about that.
Would be interesting to know when RW's penchant for porn started.
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This is on the front page of the Ottawa Citizen online:
Mary Elizabeth Harriman
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A story and headline on page A4 of yesterday's Ottawa Citizen may have left the impression that Mary Elizabeth Harriman, the wife of Colonel Russell Williams, had knowledge of the criminal actions of her husband. The story did not intend to suggest she had any knowledge of his criminal actions and the Citizen retracts and apologizes for the implication.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/to...abeth+Harriman

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Old 10-10-2010, 06:32 PM
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I would imagine at this point that MEH has very little in her life that allows her to feel empowered (even more difficult for someone who has a position where they are in "control"). Maybe it's her attempt at exerting whatever power/control she can in any area of her life. Wouldn't be surprised if her day-to-day existence right now isn't being handled primarily by advice from shrinks and lawyers.
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Judging from this account,rw could be controlled by the right " little lady".

The juxtaposition was striking. He hovered around 6 feet, with a wiry build from all his squash, tennis and jogging. She was a student from Japan, more than a foot shorter.

But in her company the “Drill Sergeant” seemed to be drained of his authority, the roommates say. He was a different person with her around.

“She ran him like a whipped horse. It was always her way or the highway, and he was always trying to acquiesce,” Mr. Farquhar says.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...12/singlepage/
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from dotr's link above:

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... Whoever had pulled this stunt had not only broken in the night before but spent hours crumpling computer paper until it formed the unwieldy mass that stood before her ...

Behind the camera was the department's latest part-time hire, a polite and proper young man with strawberry blond hair the women on staff had taken a real shine to.
This would have been 1987ish, so RW's inappropiate behaviour was evident back then when, as the most recent hire, he did a B&E and photographed the response.

Note the reference to "strawberry blond hair" as in the description of the Woodland Rapist.

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How many women reading this post have a husband who has boxes of stuff stored in the rafters of your garage that you DO NOT know EXACTLY what is in them???

In our home, which I think is pretty normal, there isn't a nook or crany that I don't know EXACTLY what is in it.

If my husband had boxes in the rafters and said something like:
A) they are work related, I would know that isn't the case because his company wouldn't let him keep files at home!
B) hubby is a photo buff, as a gift I would prob go through them and have one framed as a gift.
C) boxes are filled with school memorabilia, then how come the box number increases?

At some point my curiousity would just simply be too tweaked not to take a peak in those boxes myself!

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Sorry, I don't post often here but this poll caught my eye. Hubby has a bunch of mystery boxes in the garage - I don't care what's in them, there are spiders in the garage! I know AG has a bunch of boxes in her garage too, but I don't check them either - same reason - spiders!! LOL

ETA: Sorry again LMB, I see everyone else has moved on to more serious stuff
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Old 10-11-2010, 02:58 AM
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...Look at pic #4 of the cruiser and car in driveway. If you look at the structure of the house/garage...they mentioned they found boxes in the rafters in the garage. With this style of garage I cannot picture rafters. Im thinking the rafters in the Tweed cottage, not Ottawa as stated in the media.
I agree flip ... my home has a bedroom over the garage .. no rafters in the garage, just ceiling beams that dual as the floor joists for the bedroom.

I know they just moved in in December, but gadzooks ... that garage looks cleaner and tidier than my house.
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I tried to find if this has already been posted in prior threads but as yet haven't found anything so I'll post it here.
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Profile: Col. Russ Williams

Here is the official air force biography of Col. Russ Williams. It appeared on the DND website until Tuesday, when it was removed:

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Pro...#ixzz122mdriah
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Williams posted to the Shearwater base near Halifax from 1992 to 1994. During that time, police report three unsolved homicides.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/cars/Si...#ixzz1231HLaTb
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I guess the definition of "victim" is in the eyes of the beholder. For most cat and dog owners, a scratch on a floor is simply part of life.
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I doubt that the act of wiping down the victim was out of any consideration for her, but more an attempt to eliminate his DNA from the crime scene.
True enough, Sillybilly, I infer some level of "nurturing", which is probably the wrong word, but a level of care for the victim, as we heard about from the Tweed assault victim (getting her aspirin etc.). If he did exhibit some sort of attempt at care for the victim, that could indicate a possible bond to the victim (stalking) etc.
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This is on the front page of the Ottawa Citizen online:
Mary Elizabeth Harriman
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A story and headline on page A4 of yesterday's Ottawa Citizen may have left the impression that Mary Elizabeth Harriman, the wife of Colonel Russell Williams, had knowledge of the criminal actions of her husband. The story did not intend to suggest she had any knowledge of his criminal actions and the Citizen retracts and apologizes for the implication.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/to...abeth+Harriman

Someone must have complained to get a written apology!
So, I see, MEH and her people, are more concerned regarding what people might think of HER, than of extending sympathy and regret for the actions of her husband who victimized a countless number of people. I don't even remember reading anything in a Citizen article that could be construed in that way. Does anyone know what The Citizen could be referring to in that article?

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I would imagine at this point that MEH has very little in her life that allows her to feel empowered (even more difficult for someone who has a position where they are in "control"). Maybe it's her attempt at exerting whatever power/control she can in any area of her life. Wouldn't be surprised if her day-to-day existence right now isn't being handled primarily by advice from shrinks and lawyers.
I agree, and if that is true, it is a very similar existence to Williams' victims that were allowed to live, along with the loved ones of Williams' murder victims.

Williams' victims are left with a huge, gaping hole of pain, that will never be filled again.

The gaping hole left in MEH's life, sits in a cell awaiting his sentence, so he can live out his days in the best negotiated comfort.
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So it seems RW was photographing his victims as far back as his days at UOT. I had read of his pranks, but didn't know he was photographing the victims at that time.

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The fourth-floor personnel office at the University of Toronto's Scarborough campus was a suitably staid place to work, so department manager June Hope could hardly expect what greeted her one morning when she arrived to unlock her door.

Everything – her desk, her computer and her chair – had vanished beneath a tangled mess of white paper that filled the room from floor to ceiling. Whoever had pulled this stunt had not only broken in the night before but spent hours crumpling computer paper until it formed the unwieldy mass that stood before her.

Just as Ms. Hope turned to announce her surprise to her co-workers, she heard a familiar sound. “Click.”

Behind the camera was the department's latest part-time hire, a polite and proper young man with strawberry blond hair the women on staff had taken a real shine to.

“Russ, do you not have anything better to do with your evenings than sit there rummaging through blank paper and filling my room with it?” Ms. Hope asked.

“No,” he replied.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...12/singlepage/
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So, the "Apology" to MEH was written on October 9th, and quoted "yesterdays" story. There were many stories regarding RW on the 8th, perhaps someone familiar with the hardcopy of the paper can shed light which story was on A4 (cover???). Here are October 8th's RW articles, the scratched floor article was the one that discussed MEH the most, but, I don't know where the implication of knowledge reference would come from. I really can't figure out exactly which article the apology to MEH is referring to.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/search/...ssell+williams
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I have to say, this article is almost pointless, the terminology a little sensationalistic.

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Mallick: Col. Russell Williams, the souvenir hound
October 11, 2010

Rage and hatred were my initial reactions to the Col. Russell Williams case. They’re still bubbling along nicely with the news that he intends to formally plead guilty to the first-degree murder of Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 38, and Jessica Lloyd, 27, the protracted sexual assault of two other women and 82 break-ins to steal lingerie.



The standard interpretation of such fetishism is that panties have intrinsic sexual power. Women may not want you, but you want them and now you have them, distilled, in their private garments worn next to private parts. One assumes Williams masturbated habitually. He may even have worn his trophies. Without a trial, we may never know.

When Williams and his wife socialized with the Tweed neighbour, he was committing delicious mind-rape, the joke being both on her and on Williams’ wife, Mary-Elizabeth Harriman, a woman who didn’t know her own home well.

This is odd. I know every inch of my house. It would be impossible to hide cartons from me. Perhaps Harriman was infinitely trusting of her husband, perhaps not. Another unsolved mystery.

Williams’ souvenir-collecting escalated. He was now saying, “I came, I saw, I took.” “I came into her house, I saw her fear, I took her picture.” His final theft was this: “I took her life.”

Why did he do it? He liked it.

Oh, the places he’s seen! In prison, the loss of his souvenirs will bother him most of all.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/edito...nir-hound?bn=1
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Sorry, I don't post often here but this poll caught my eye. Hubby has a bunch of mystery boxes in the garage - I don't care what's in them, there are spiders in the garage! I know AG has a bunch of boxes in her garage too, but I don't check them either - same reason - spiders!! LOL

ETA: Sorry again LMB, I see everyone else has moved on to more serious stuff
Everybody is different. We shouldn't compare ourselves with people we don't know because ... well, we don't know them. I'm the nosy type. My husband is not. I could have a couple of dead bodies boxed up in the garage, or even the top shelf of my clothes closet, and my husband would be blissfully unaware for years. He has no curiosity about what isn't his and respects my privacy.

We do know that RW is the quintessential alpha male. Domination was his thing. He has had decades of training in being secretive and keeping confidential information. He fooled everyone - in his private and professional lives. I suspect that MEH is somewhat of the subservient type. If he instructed her to not touch his belongings for whatever reason (or maybe no reasons given at all), she would likely obey him. With his military position, he could have given her any number of explanations of their contents. He may have labeled them as containing really boring papers. If those boxes were locked or securely taped, she would be the type to not question their contents or attempt to open them.

Where those boxes (trunks?) had been stored before the move to the Ottawa house is anyone's guess. The couple had not been in the new home for very long. MEH had a busy, demanding job, perhaps involving travel. She was also supervising the house renovations. She probably didn't have time to go snooping around her husband's stuff. And if she trusted him, why would she?

I saw the picture of the house and garage. While the garage doesn't have a peaked roof, you can judge by the size of the cars in the driveway that there could still be room for low rafters above car level. More boxes could have been hidden inside the house - attic, heating ducts, basement, secret compartments behind walls or under floorboards. Or maybe just a simple, locked filing cabinet.

Not all those boxes we saw in the pics had to have been usable evidence. LE takes everything that might be. Underwear, even hundreds, and CDs don't take up all that much space. We might be overestimating the number of boxes that needed to stay hidden. I suspect that LE transferred what they found into their own boxes. You can see that they labeled the boxes with their own info.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can't believe that MEH could have had any inkling about RW's secret activities and still stayed with him. She is not an uneducated, unemployed, substance-addicted woman, but an intelligent, independent, well-educated, self-sufficient one. Regardless of how subservient she might be, how many women of this type would stay with a multiple-rapist/murderer? Personally, I have seen very little reason to vilify this woman.

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I agree, and if that is true, it is a very similar existence to Williams' victims that were allowed to live, along with the loved ones of Williams' murder victims.

Williams' victims are left with a huge, gaping hole of pain, that will never be filled again.

The gaping hole left in MEH's life, sits in a cell awaiting his sentence, so he can live out his days in the best negotiated comfort.
(BBM)

It's almost impossible for me to put myself in MEH's shoes. But when I try, I see a much larger hole in her life than just the lack of a husband. Until February, she was a respected, admired, and from all accounts, beloved member of her social circle and profession. All reports from friends and acquaintances indicate that she was in a loving, happy marriage. She seemed to be a private person, not seeking the spotlight.

All of a sudden, her world was turned upside down. Everything she believed in, trusted, and relied on became a lie. She's been put under a microscope and likely hounded by the press. She is being scrutinized and vilified in this forum and probably others. I'm sure she hasn't had a good night's sleep in months, trying to figure out what she missed and how she could have missed it. The guilt, the shame, the fear, the self-recriminations would be unrelenting. What will her future bring? Will she ever be able to resume her life in any normal manner? I seriously doubt it. I strongly suspect that she is in her own private hell.

(Again, I'd like to stress that I do not mean to equate MEH's victimization with those who suffered and/or died at RW's filthy hands. There IS no comparison. But she too is a woman who has suffered and will continue to do so for the rest of her life and she has my sympathy.)

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So, the "Apology" to MEH was written on October 9th, and quoted "yesterdays" story. There were many stories regarding RW on the 8th, perhaps someone familiar with the hardcopy of the paper can shed light which story was on A4 (cover???). Here are October 8th's RW articles, the scratched floor article was the one that discussed MEH the most, but, I don't know where the implication of knowledge reference would come from. I really can't figure out exactly which article the apology to MEH is referring to.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/search/...ssell+williams
It looks like only one line of the article was to be removed.

Postmedia News October 10, 2010 A story slugged WILLIAMS-FLOORS, which moved Thursday, contained the following paragraph:

``It is not known if Harriman knew about his secret, double life because she has declined comment.''

If any newspapers or websites ran this paragraph, the following apology is mandatory and must be run.

***Please also remove the line from any current or future use of the story in print or online.***
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It looks like only one line of the article was to be removed.

Postmedia News October 10, 2010 A story slugged WILLIAMS-FLOORS, which moved Thursday, contained the following paragraph:

``It is not known if Harriman knew about his secret, double life because she has declined comment.''

If any newspapers or websites ran this paragraph, the following apology is mandatory and must be run.

***Please also remove the line from any current or future use of the story in print or online.***
BBM

Wow, what a classic example of how the media fuels speculation and rumour. MEH is not a cheap version of Karla, I see no reason to treat her as anything but a victim of RW's vileness. JMO
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