Websleuths
Go Back   Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community > Crimes and Trials > Serial Killers

Notices

Serial Killers Can you find similarities that will help catch a serial killer?


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 02-21-2012, 04:07 AM
MsFacetious's Avatar
MsFacetious MsFacetious is offline
What a Kerfuffle...
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,418
Bounty Hunter: Shermantine Says There's a Third Well

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/...,6972685.story


Leonard Padilla told ABC7 Monday night that Shermantine told him about the new well on Sunday.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ate&id=8551487


Shermantine previously has talked of a second well containing victims, but Padilla said Monday that disclosure of a third well was new.
All three sites are about a mile apart in San Joaquin County, he said.

Padilla said he was informed of the third well by Shermantine in a telephone call Sunday.
The site is near Waverly and Copperopolis roads, not far from a television tower.
It allegedly contains a body put there by Herzog, Padilla said.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/21/427...#storylink=cpy
Reply With Quote
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to MsFacetious For This Useful Post:
  #102  
Old 02-21-2012, 10:59 AM
sarx's Avatar
sarx sarx is offline
Verified Expert/Professional in SAR and K9SAR
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,727
And so it goes.... With as many as they likely killed I think he will continue to trickle information out. I don't buy the "death threats" and what not being a factor. He continues to control the situation in the only way he can now.
__________________
www.4themissing.net
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to sarx For This Useful Post:
  #103  
Old 02-21-2012, 11:05 AM
chasing.halos's Avatar
chasing.halos chasing.halos is offline
Where is Kyron?
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 3,695
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarx View Post
And so it goes.... With as many as they likely killed I think he will continue to trickle information out. I don't buy the "death threats" and what not being a factor. He continues to control the situation in the only way he can now.
Exactly. Has to have the control doesn't he? I have been following these developments... chills me to the core.

I guess all I can be is thankful that he is speaking out. Even though he is trickling the information and probably exploiting it again and again. It boils down to the fact that this man will never be out of prison and desperate families will be getting some answers here.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to chasing.halos For This Useful Post:
  #104  
Old 02-21-2012, 12:07 PM
Wanting2Help's Avatar
Wanting2Help Wanting2Help is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NY
Posts: 1,513
Not sure if this was posted. Its confusing to me having 2 threads. Not sure which one to post on? Anyway, here is a article about 2 mothers of missing girls...

http://www.news10.net/news/article/1...s%7Cbc%7Clarge
__________________
------------------------------------------------------------


Tammie McCormick, 13, missing since 1986 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=128676

Jaliek Rainwalker, 12, missing since 2007 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55811
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Wanting2Help For This Useful Post:
  #105  
Old 02-21-2012, 02:54 PM
CCD's Avatar
CCD CCD is offline
Mrs. Spencer Reid...yeah, I went there
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 235
Ohh my - a third well???
This won't be over quickly....however the more answers searching families get the better.
__________________
~Mekena Sarah Gracie Carmichael~
2007-2011
West Elgin's Precious Angel
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to CCD For This Useful Post:
  #106  
Old 02-21-2012, 04:39 PM
JDB's Avatar
JDB JDB is offline
Tybee you will never be forgotten
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: BAY AREA
Posts: 10,559
The scary part of all this to me is. The 1st well they just completed was not one of the wells on the map and they have over 1000 pieces of bone fragments.
__________________
TYBEE U WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED AND LOVED.


http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=61288
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JDB For This Useful Post:
  #107  
Old 02-21-2012, 05:10 PM
bessie's Avatar
bessie bessie is offline
WS Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Who Dat Nation
Posts: 17,722
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wanting2Help View Post
Not sure if this was posted. Its confusing to me having 2 threads. Not sure which one to post on? Anyway, here is a article about 2 mothers of missing girls...

http://www.news10.net/news/article/1...s%7Cbc%7Clarge
This thread is for general discussion of the serial killers Shermantine and Herzog. Most of the recent developments can be posted and discussed here. Shermantine's letters, his dealings with Padilla and LE, and practically anything else can be posted and discussed here.

The thread in the Unidentified forum should be limited to discussion of victims, possible victims, the actual search for remains, and remains found. Remember that the focus of the forum is to give names to unidentified victims, and find answers to the fates of missing persons.

I realize the topics sometimes overlap, but there really is a method to the madness. Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.
__________________

I don't even know to this day what I meant by what I said.
Casey Anthony, bankruptcy/Zenaida Gonzalez deposition, 01/23/2014
___________________________________
Muddy water in the street
; Muddy water 'round my feet... as sung by the inimitable Bessie Smith, "Muddy Water (A Mississippi Moan)"

Last edited by bessie; 02-23-2012 at 04:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to bessie For This Useful Post:
  #108  
Old 02-21-2012, 06:39 PM
Leprikawn's Avatar
Leprikawn Leprikawn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Livermore california
Posts: 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB View Post
The scary part of all this to me is. The 1st well they just completed was not one of the wells on the map and they have over 1000 pieces of bone fragments.
Exactly!

These two did nothing their whole lives but run around exploring caves and mines. Shermantine is playing with everyone and just giving us a taste. The money demands will go up and up and up! Before he is done he will want a day at Disneyland.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Leprikawn For This Useful Post:
  #109  
Old 02-21-2012, 07:16 PM
JDB's Avatar
JDB JDB is offline
Tybee you will never be forgotten
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: BAY AREA
Posts: 10,559
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leprikawn View Post
Exactly!

These two did nothing their whole lives but run around exploring caves and mines. Shermantine is playing with everyone and just giving us a taste. The money demands will go up and up and up! Before he is done he will want a day at Disneyland.
I don't know if he is playing around or not. I mean he is not the one that dug in the wrong spot. The spot they dug from what I read was not on any map.
__________________
TYBEE U WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED AND LOVED.


http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=61288
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to JDB For This Useful Post:
  #110  
Old 02-22-2012, 08:01 PM
Leprikawn's Avatar
Leprikawn Leprikawn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Livermore california
Posts: 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB View Post
I don't know if he is playing around or not. I mean he is not the one that dug in the wrong spot. The spot they dug from what I read was not on any map.
I read an article today that talked to the Prosecutor on their cases. He said that Shermantine is trickling out information, and that he has not yet revealed the mother load of remains. He believes that Shermantine will eventually give up the bodies, but in small doses, for rewards.

It is interesting that when Padilla told Shermantine that they found a skull and human remains in the wrong well, he said that Shermantine said "well those are not ours!" A little slip in the "Herzog did it all I'm innocent" stand he has made. LOL
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Leprikawn For This Useful Post:
  #111  
Old 02-22-2012, 08:24 PM
JDB's Avatar
JDB JDB is offline
Tybee you will never be forgotten
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: BAY AREA
Posts: 10,559
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leprikawn View Post
I read an article today that talked to the Prosecutor on their cases. He said that Shermantine is trickling out information, and that he has not yet revealed the mother load of remains. He believes that Shermantine will eventually give up the bodies, but in small doses, for rewards.

It is interesting that when Padilla told Shermantine that they found a skull and human remains in the wrong well, he said that Shermantine said "well those are not ours!" A little slip in the "Herzog did it all I'm innocent" stand he has made. LOL
Read the same one. Thought it was interesting where he said that he agreed with Padilla about the Sheriff on an ego trip. And how he knows there is a safe way to have Shermantine on a field trip and show exactly where the wells are.
__________________
TYBEE U WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED AND LOVED.


http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=61288
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JDB For This Useful Post:
  #112  
Old 02-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Leprikawn's Avatar
Leprikawn Leprikawn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Livermore california
Posts: 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB View Post
Read the same one. Thought it was interesting where he said that he agreed with Padilla about the Sheriff on an ego trip. And how he knows there is a safe way to have Shermantine on a field trip and show exactly where the wells are.
Yeah that was a little shocking that he said that. I sure hope they dont let this go. They have Shermantine talking and they need to hit now while he still is.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Leprikawn For This Useful Post:
  #113  
Old 02-23-2012, 01:48 PM
JDB's Avatar
JDB JDB is offline
Tybee you will never be forgotten
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: BAY AREA
Posts: 10,559
Now I am real;ly cornfused . Instead of looking for the second and thrid well near where the found the 1st one . They are now searching today back in Calaveras county? And they are not saying much?
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/120229958
__________________
TYBEE U WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED AND LOVED.


http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=61288
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to JDB For This Useful Post:
  #114  
Old 02-23-2012, 09:04 PM
Leprikawn's Avatar
Leprikawn Leprikawn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Livermore california
Posts: 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB View Post
Now I am real;ly cornfused . Instead of looking for the second and thrid well near where the found the 1st one . They are now searching today back in Calaveras county? And they are not saying much?
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/120229958
Yeah i am puzzled by this too. I really wish they would bring Shermantine to the spot and work with Padilla on this. Forget ego's this is about people getting closure and loved one's being brought home.
The absence of the FBI is really disturbing.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Leprikawn For This Useful Post:
  #115  
Old 02-24-2012, 04:43 AM
bessie's Avatar
bessie bessie is offline
WS Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Who Dat Nation
Posts: 17,722
I thought it was odd that they abandoned the search in Calveras County so hastily. Perhaps when so many bones started turning up in Linden they made a decision to re-focus all of the attention and manpower there. I think now they've cleared up the confusion regarding where they were supposed to dig in Calveras. So with the first well completed, they'll return there and finish what they started. Meanwhile, Padilla and friends can work out the details on the second and third wells. This is a costly effort and should be carried out methodically rather than skipping around blindly, which I have a hunch they did in the beginning.

This was first reported about ten days ago:

Quote:
The map he drew is kind of confusing," Padilla said. He later added: "There's more bodies in Calaveras and definitely more bodies up there (near Linden)."
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/14/426...to-resume.html
__________________

I don't even know to this day what I meant by what I said.
Casey Anthony, bankruptcy/Zenaida Gonzalez deposition, 01/23/2014
___________________________________
Muddy water in the street
; Muddy water 'round my feet... as sung by the inimitable Bessie Smith, "Muddy Water (A Mississippi Moan)"
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to bessie For This Useful Post:
  #116  
Old 02-24-2012, 01:39 PM
JDB's Avatar
JDB JDB is offline
Tybee you will never be forgotten
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: BAY AREA
Posts: 10,559
New Letter

Looks like Shermatine is still sending letters to L/P which is only a good thing
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ty-hunter.html
__________________
TYBEE U WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED AND LOVED.


http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=61288
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to JDB For This Useful Post:
  #117  
Old 02-24-2012, 03:22 PM
LinasK's Avatar
LinasK LinasK is offline
Verified Insider-Mark Dribin case
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SF Bay Area, CA
Posts: 17,420
Post Serial killer’s gruesome roadmap leads to more human remains

Posted: 7:15 a.m. Friday, Feb. 24, 2012 KTVU And Wires
LINDEN, Calif. —
More human remains were recovered Thursday near the Northern California site where two victims of a convicted serial killer were recently found, authorities said.
Crews using cadaver dogs located the remains after expanding a search area near the Calaveras County community of San Andreas, said San Joaquin County Sheriff's spokesman Les Garcia.
Investigators have been searching the area after Wesley Shermantine led authorities to the site earlier this month. The search area is on property that Shermantine's family once owned.
Authorities are investigating if the newly found remains are from another victim of Shermantine and Loren Herzog, dubbed the "Speed Freak Killers" for their killing spree in the 1980s and 1990s. Garcia said the remains will be sent to the California Department of Justice Bureau of Forensic Services for analysis. more at link: http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-...human-r/nKPcN/
__________________
Please help locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff and bring them home.


Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to LinasK For This Useful Post:
  #118  
Old 02-24-2012, 03:23 PM
Wanting2Help's Avatar
Wanting2Help Wanting2Help is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NY
Posts: 1,513
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...o-doj-lab.htmlThis article is from 2/21 not sure if I missed it on here or if it wasn't posted...

Quote:
‘Speed Freak Killers’: Bones from mass grave sent to DOJ lab
__________________
------------------------------------------------------------


Tammie McCormick, 13, missing since 1986 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=128676

Jaliek Rainwalker, 12, missing since 2007 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55811
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Wanting2Help For This Useful Post:
  #119  
Old 02-27-2012, 08:27 AM
nursebeeme's Avatar
nursebeeme nursebeeme is offline
WS Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: sipping coffee at the Purple Rose Theatre
Posts: 52,141
Quote:
During an interview Saturday at San Quentin State Prison's Death Row with a reporter for the Stockton Record, Shermantine said he was sorry it took so long for authorities to find the remains of 25-year-old Cyndi Vanderheiden and 16-year-old Chevelle Wheeler. Shermantine continued to deny that he killed them, saying he had only helped their killer bury them.

During the interview, Shermantine also said that additional victims were killed and buried in Modesto, Stockton, Ripon and Milton.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1naYC8Zct
----------
__________________
This bee my opinion
Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to nursebeeme For This Useful Post:
  #120  
Old 02-27-2012, 12:49 PM
Wanting2Help's Avatar
Wanting2Help Wanting2Help is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NY
Posts: 1,513
http://www.thereporter.com/wirenews/ci_20053074

Quote:
His interview comes after more human remains were recovered Thursday near the site where the remains of Vanderheiden and Wheeler were found.

Quote:
Meanwhile, San Joaquin County sheriff's officials are staying mum about any possible future searches for human remains.


Sheriff's spokesman Les Garcia released a statement late Sunday saying sheriff's investigators had met on Friday with the FBI, the California Department of Justice and the San Joaquin County District Attorney's Office, but said details of the meeting would not be released.
__________________
------------------------------------------------------------


Tammie McCormick, 13, missing since 1986 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=128676

Jaliek Rainwalker, 12, missing since 2007 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55811
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Wanting2Help For This Useful Post:
  #121  
Old 02-27-2012, 01:14 PM
Wanting2Help's Avatar
Wanting2Help Wanting2Help is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NY
Posts: 1,513
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/...freak-killers/

Map of dig sites, video, etc
__________________
------------------------------------------------------------


Tammie McCormick, 13, missing since 1986 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=128676

Jaliek Rainwalker, 12, missing since 2007 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55811
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Wanting2Help For This Useful Post:
  #122  
Old 02-27-2012, 04:51 PM
JDB's Avatar
JDB JDB is offline
Tybee you will never be forgotten
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: BAY AREA
Posts: 10,559
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wanting2Help View Post
Lets hope they finally let the FBI in. That will speed this up and the FBI will bring in more equipment like sonar and planes
__________________
TYBEE U WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED AND LOVED.


http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=61288
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to JDB For This Useful Post:
  #123  
Old 02-27-2012, 11:08 PM
bessie's Avatar
bessie bessie is offline
WS Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Who Dat Nation
Posts: 17,722
Quote:
"I'm sorry I buried their loved ones," Shermantine told reporter Scott Smith. "In no way, shape or form did I kill them," he said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...es-are-buried/

Quote:
Shermantine continued to deny that he killed them, saying he had only helped their killer bury them.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1naYC8Zct

Gee, what a pal.

He's sorry, but not sorry enough to give up real information about the other victims. If he buried them, he at least knows details about their physical appearance. I'd like to know if he's sharing any of it with LE.

It's good to know the investigators are talking with the FBI because now we might be looking at bodies strewn over 150 miles. I can't imagine any local or state LE taking on a search of that magnitude without relying the on the feds for tactical support. Unbelievable!
__________________

I don't even know to this day what I meant by what I said.
Casey Anthony, bankruptcy/Zenaida Gonzalez deposition, 01/23/2014
___________________________________
Muddy water in the street
; Muddy water 'round my feet... as sung by the inimitable Bessie Smith, "Muddy Water (A Mississippi Moan)"

Last edited by bessie; 02-28-2012 at 02:33 AM. Reason: fixed broken quote
Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to bessie For This Useful Post:
  #124  
Old 02-27-2012, 11:53 PM
Reannan's Avatar
Reannan Reannan is offline
Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 3,870
Quote:
Originally Posted by bessie View Post

Quote:
Shermantine continued to deny that he killed them, saying he had only helped their killer bury them.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1naYC8Zct

Gee, what a pal.

He's sorry, but not sorry enough to give up real information about the other victims. If he buried them, he at least knows details about their physical appearance. I'd like to know if sharing any of it with LE.

It's good to know the investigators are talking with the FBI because now we might be looking at bodies strewn over 150 miles. I can't imagine any local or state LE taking on a search of that magnitude without relying the on the feds for tactical support. Unbelievable!
Shermantine is a lying sack of crap. It fascinates me as to why he and Herzog had been friends for so much of their life, and managed to turn their relationship into a toxic situation where they got their jollies by killing people.

Last edited by bessie; 02-28-2012 at 02:31 AM. Reason: fixed quote
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Reannan For This Useful Post:
  #125  
Old 02-28-2012, 08:39 AM
nursebeeme's Avatar
nursebeeme nursebeeme is offline
WS Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: sipping coffee at the Purple Rose Theatre
Posts: 52,141
Quote:
The San Joaquin County Sheriff has confirmed that he has met with the FBI and The California Department of Justice on how to proceed in the search for more human remains connected to the "Speed Freak Killers" case.
Assemblywoman Cathleen Galgianni also said Monday she has sent a letter to the FBI making a personal plea for FBI investigators to be involved in the search

Read more: http://www.kcra.com/shermantine-sear...#ixzz1ngRVSZ00

and another snip :-(

Quote:
Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla received another letter from Shermantine -- who is on death row at San Quentin State Prison -- on Monday. Shermantine wrote that he wanted to know the DNA results from the skull found in the well. He said it may belong to Joann Hobson.
Hobson went missing in 1985 when she was 16 years old.
Galgianni told KCRA 3's Melinda Meza that she has been in contact with Hobson's mother. Hobson's mother said she has also received letters from Shermantine.

Read more: http://www.kcra.com/shermantine-sear...#ixzz1ngReGAPm
__________________
This bee my opinion
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to nursebeeme For This Useful Post:
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
human remains, loren herzog, released from prison, serial killer, speed freak killers, wesley shermantine

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CA CA - San Andreas & Linden, Speed Freak Killers' victims remains found, 02/12, ongoing bessie The Unidentified 139 12-27-2013 03:49 PM
Bullied 10-year old commits suicide (another one) Ada Bullying 26 12-14-2011 12:04 PM
11 year old commits suicide. imthemom Up to the Minute 54 06-17-2008 11:59 PM
Author who studied serial killers commits suicide on 6-6-06 jttnewguy Crimes in the News 24 07-03-2006 03:20 PM


© Copyright Websleuths 1999-2012 New To Site? Need Help?
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:56 AM.

Advertisements

Pre-Order Imperfect Justice: Prosecuting Casey Anthony today!