NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #34 - Page 9

Lera213 · #**201** 10-30-2010, 07:10 PM

I cannot remember but I think it was lime I bought a few years ago because where i live I have loads of pine needles that make my grass really acidity...I think it was Lime my neighbor suggested I use to help. I bought a small bag and if I remember I had to sign a sheet of paper when I bought it.

sunsetbeach · #**202** 10-30-2010, 07:14 PM

Well I missed out on a lot of posts but finally got caught up. I guess there is no new news.

I think Monday is Zahra's day!! (Grand Jury meeting and all gives me great hope)

Reba · #**203** 10-30-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lera213

I cannot remember but I think it was lime I bought a few years ago because where i live I have loads of pine needles that make my grass really acidity...I think it was Lime my neighbor suggested I use to help. I bought a small bag and if I remember I had to sign a sheet of paper when I bought it.

My husband works with a certain kind of lime that is used for fertilizer. I wonder if lime would have been readily available at AB's place of work?

tlcya · #**204** 10-30-2010, 07:23 PM

no new pressers I take it

Angel4u2Whisper2 · #**205** 10-30-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lera213

I cannot remember but I think it was lime I bought a few years ago because where i live I have loads of pine needles that make my grass really acidity...I think it was Lime my neighbor suggested I use to help. I bought a small bag and if I remember I had to sign a sheet of paper when I bought it.

Quick question: Would persons or business that do work like landscaping, tree services and such have access to Lime without having it recorded for an individal but to a business name?

wfgodot · #**206** 10-30-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sunsetbeach

Well I missed out on a lot of posts but finally got caught up. I guess there is no new news.

I think Monday is Zahra's day!! (Grand Jury meeting and all gives me great hope)

NCMEC* lists Z's birthday as 16 November. But the Monday grand jury does bring great hope!

http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

*NCMEC still spells her middle name "Claire," so I can't guarantee its info.

Lera213 · #**207** 10-30-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

My husband works with a certain kind of lime that is used for fertilizer. I wonder if lime would have been readily available at AB's place of work?

Great point! I'm sure the dogs though would still alert even if Lime was used. My guess is that the FBI had a top notch dog arrive from their resource pool

wfgodot · #**208** 10-30-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tlcox

no new pressers I take it

Not a thing today. Except good dialogue on WS!

Reba · #**209** 10-30-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel4u2Whisper2

Quick question: Would persons or business that do work like landscaping, tree services and such have access to Lime without having it recorded for an individal but to a business name?

According to my hubby, AG lime does not require any special paperwork. There is another lime that is activated by water that is used to clean steel. That is different than what the farmers use. Hope that helps . . .

Lera213 · #**210** 10-30-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

According to my hubby, AG lime does not require any special paperwork. There is another lime that is activated by water that is used to clean steel. That is different than what the farmers use. Hope that helps . . .

OK probably just my local area store I purchased it from policy.

tlcya · #**211** 10-30-2010, 07:33 PM

feeling a bit down today as holloween approaches. Wndering what Zahra thought about holloween and what her costume choice would have been. I am angry that she is not feeling the building excitement of the approach of trick or treating as a ten year old should be doing right now

Cher352 · #**212** 10-30-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

My husband works with a certain kind of lime that is used for fertilizer. I wonder if lime would have been readily available at AB's place of work?

Lime is available at any hardware, home improvement center or feed store. We use it yearly in our yard to counteract the acid from the oak leaves and a good thing to use if you have dogs in your yard. No identification is required to purchase here in FL.

jamiect · #**213** 10-30-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cher352

Lime is available at any hardware, home improvement center or feed store. We use it yearly in our yard to counteract the acid from the oak leaves and a good thing to use if you have dogs in your yard. No identification is required to purchase here in FL.

Thank you ..I can purchase lime at any Home Depot , Lowe's or any hardware store here in CT w/out any problems. Lime has been used for lawn care for years and I personally have never heard of such restrictions.

LadyL · #**214** 10-30-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by essies

Here's Zahra back in May getting her hearing aids. She is sitting down-but you can still get an idea of Z's size compares to EB's size. Do I think she could handle dead or drugged weight? It's possible IMO. Ya know the stories you hear about the incredible strength some people have while on drugs. But, I do think EB had help.

It wasn't just the 911 call that alerted me to AB. The whole finding the ransom note and calling MC and his daughter there but not making sure Zahra was OK makes no sense. Imagine-you find a note from a kidnapper on your car saying they have your daughter. Well, gee the kidnapper got the wrong car, the wrong house-maybe they got the wrong girl!! Quick lets see if Zahra's OK!! Why didn't AB do that? Why didn't they tell LE they had a daughter since the kidnapper doesn't seem too well informed about who they were kidnapping?
IMO It's cause they lost their nerve. It wasn't just the hinky 911 call and his strange rambling that got me-it was his inaction at 5 in the morning that started my meter running!

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Originally Posted by impatientredhead

I agree that is possible, but EB is extremely out of shape from what we can see and the body appears to be well hidden in combination with what I find to be very suspicious behavior from biodad, and my opinion is that she did not labor through carrying 85lbs of dead weight, dig a grave or some other effort to dispose of the body in a hidden way, dispose of an old mattress, buy a new one and reset the room by herself.

And while she did all of that in secrecy bio dad also coincidentally never checked on his child, never noticed any of this, and then called 911 and regurgitated a very detailed explanation of kidnapping, ransom notes, mistaken identity, prosthetics being missing, etc...

That equation does not come out to EB acting alone and AB being a disconnected parent imo

you're both very convincing

sunsetbeach · #**215** 10-30-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wfgodot

NCMEC* lists Z's birthday as 16 November. But the Monday grand jury does bring great hope!

http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

*NCMEC still spells her middle name "Claire," so I can't guarantee its info.

I just meant that I hope and pray that's the day justice starts turning the wheels for Zahra and since Monday is the day the Grand Jury meets it just brings me greater hope.

wfgodot · #**216** 10-30-2010, 08:02 PM

The patron saint of jurists is Giovanni da Capistrano - I'll light my San Juan de Capistrano prayer candle Monday. (Or tonight, come to think of it, and get a head start.)

Also, Monday is All Saints' Day, so this furthers the cause.

tlcya · #**217** 10-30-2010, 08:02 PM

something I was reading earlier when playing catch up on previous pages sparked a thought I wanted to express on the Christy Rd - at - near - how near- etc. topic being discussed earlier.

To me it doesn't matter if MSM got it right or not. I got the point I needed from all of it. I have never thought EB disposed of Zahra's remains at any residence. I think she talked, to what degree I don't know, but what she told them or whatever the lead LE got told them it had to do with Zahra being disposed of near (as in in the area of) somewhere EB once lived. Of course it was. Who goes to an area they don't know, aren't familiar with, to dispose of a body?

Doesn't mean before loading up a dead body she knew exactly what her plan was to do with it. She just knew she had to be rid of it. So she went somewhere she was familiar with that had stretchs of secluded lightly traveled at night roads. She wouldn't want it near where she currently lives, but she would want to do it somewhere she was familiar with and comfortable with. MOO I Think it wasn't AT a specific preplanned spot.

I think the area was thought of and it happened wherever it was convenient. She may not even recall where along the road, just vague landmarks, such as a curve, a dirt road, etc. She may know the route she travelled. This would explain the search near the shoals rd/burns road (dirt) location and the Christy Rd/Elkart (dirt) interesection search.
If it was a hurried, oh crap, get to somewhere "away" from my house but familiar and known and deserted stretches with heavy woods and brush along the way, EB, she may have dumped the body somwhere along the drive.

Tossing the prosthetic out the window at another location along the same drive. I think LE suspects the same (for whatever reason be it tip or EB) and that is why they are still searching some of the sites along the drive. all MO

A_News_Junkie · #**218** 10-30-2010, 08:07 PM

Hello fellow WS members! Tricia gave me permission to post in one place, one time - OT to let you all know about a case that is being spotlighted in a two hour special tonight on 48 hours.
Kari Baker's story is one all women and daughters should see as it highlights how men often use the best we as women have to offer and use it as a weapon against us. Values such as trust, loyalty, faithfulness etc are far to often used as tools to isolate us and in Kari's case to keep her from getting out before her sociopath killed her.(BTW- yes women do this to men too, so guys don't toss stones at me!) IMHO he saw his wife as a disposable item and he is what I call an eraser killer. He almost got away with it as he hid under the cloth as a minister.
I also wanted to let you all know I am sure that Kari's family reads at WS on her thread so if you want to leave them a message of support or anything they will see it. The conviction is done but they still face the appeals process and they are in a custody battle for custody of Kari's two adorable daughters so the story naturally never really ends for them. (Links to thread on homepage and in your notice at the top of the page!)
Thanks for reading and I will see you here, in Caylee, in Kyron and all over the place here at WS -- THE BEST CRIME INVESTIGATIVE SITE ON THE INTERNET! Thank you Tricia and all the Mods for making this site the best!

Zahra - don't worry baby - we will get you justice too, we promise!

Meagain · #**219** 10-30-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by essies

So I wonder how they got EB to admit to writing the ransom note so quickly!

They must have presented her with some reason why they knew there wasn't a kidnapper. Was the envelope from their bill, did they have her fingerprints? If her fingerprints were on the bill and it was her bill that would explain the prints. She seems surprised or upset about the arrest-didn't she see it coming?

And did she stop talking as soon as she made that confession? I'm surprised she didn't finger someone else and say she was forced to write it. But, then I'm sure there is much we don't know yet.

Has anyone heard audio from this arrest? I REALLY want to know what she was yelling/saying.

JoeFromLB · #**220** 10-30-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Meagain

I was searching around and found this MSNBC article from 10/11.

"A reporter saw what appeared to be remnants of clothes among burned branches from the fire at the house."

??? Has this been echoed anywhere else? It just struck me because I personally haven't seen this mentioned before.

Here's another, also dated 10/11:

http://www.thetimesnews.com/articles...g-parents.html

On Monday, several of Adam Baker’s friends stood outside his one-story in Hickory, a city of 40,000 residents about 50 miles northwest of Charlotte. In the yard were a few burned tree limbs and what appeared to be clothing.

tlcya · #**221** 10-30-2010, 08:17 PM

As to the carrying Zahra's weight and EB loss of weight. EB is perfectly physically capable of carrying Zahra's dead weight IMO.

I am her age, am not a big woman or a strong woman but I can carry my daughter's "dead" sleeping weight. It is awkward but I get it done. DD is 10

tlcya · #**222** 10-30-2010, 08:20 PM

odd the burned items referenced in those reports. ITA

KPMcLovin · #**223** 10-30-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by carbuff

Crank can do that to you. I don't know whether that's what they were into, but she's sure displaying that kind of damage to her body and appearance.

And AB looks to have a little meth mouth going on, JMO.

Wondergirl · #**224** 10-30-2010, 08:25 PM

If Zahra was killed in her home, EB could easily have removed her by herself. It may also explain why the hearing aids were laying in the hall, having come out if she dragged her.

It is entirely possible that EB did this on her own, IMO.

A_News_Junkie · #**225** 10-30-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wfgodot

The patron saint of jurists is Giovanni da Capistrano - I'll light my San Juan de Capistrano prayer candle Monday. (Or tonight, come to think of it, and get a head start.)

Also, Monday is All Saints' Day, so this furthers the cause.

I have a special candle I light for all my cases I hold dear and I will have it on Monday for Zahra and the Grand Jury too! Something tells me Monday is gonna be a busy day in here!
To all the locals on this case - OMG thank you for all the photos and updates - it really means so much to those of us not close enough to help or understand the topography etc!