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Nope, still actively used by Cindy through Aug. 2008 which is the last statement LE requested.
I am detecting that there were several accounts under Cindy's name. One account has the monthly mortage payment on it, others don't.
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Oh, I hear ya Beach, If one of my kids were to pull this stunt, I can assure you one if not both of us would be in jail.

Yes, Caylee would be alive today if not for CA's stupidity and leniency with KC. jmo
well according to CA she still is.....also there were no RED FLAGS???
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Old 11-02-2010, 02:30 PM
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It appears that CA opened a New checking acct @ BOA on 3/14/08 - see pg 300/418
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59182780...-Pt-1-11022010
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WOW And that doesnt even count Caseys AT&T phone bills.

Cindy is an idiot!!
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And we should add the money Casey stole from other people
Caylee, Lee (Casey mentioned it) the Plesea Grandparents, Amy.. I'm sure there are more we don't know about...

Casey had a job alright...it was to find ways to steal other people's money.
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I seem to remember at least one of the checks was around ICA birthday in March? Shirley wrote her a birthday check and that's how she got the account number? (or something along those lines) So, if my memory is correct, they started when her access to CA's account stopped.
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Casey used her Grandma's checking account to buy birthday cake (?) for Caylee's birthday
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Old 11-02-2010, 02:44 PM
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pg 308/418
shows on 5/8/08 an ATT payment in KC's name on CA's account in the amount of $574.60.
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Old 11-02-2010, 02:47 PM
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If Cindy had nailed her daughter about those checks, had her arrested and jailed, assumed care and custody of Caylee at that time...Caylee would still be alive.
Cindys guilt has put her over the edge, IMO.
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shows on 5/8/08 an ATT payment in KC's name on CA's account in the amount of $574.60.
Ok, that is May. (The only one I am aware of post March.) Was it a debit card transaction (online pymt??) or is there another check image?


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Old 11-02-2010, 02:51 PM
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It appears that CA opened a New checking acct @ BOA on 3/14/08 - see pg 300/418
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59182780...-Pt-1-11022010
That 2nd account is strange. I'm thinking that Casey actually opened this 2nd Cindy account. I can't prove it so it's just MOO.

The first account has deposits from Gentiva and bills that Cindy is paying.

The 2nd account has lots of online transactions, pays Casey's cell phone bills, gets hit with NSF charges a lot, a lot of ATM charges. I can't think of any reason Cindy would open a second account just to shop at Sams and pay KC's cell phone bills.

There's a deposit on the second account on 5/6/08 for $3590.85 called a Counter Transaction. Could this be the $4000 deposit George was talking about in one LE interview that KC somehow stole or faked (I don't remember the story) and KC told him she was robbed or mugged or something? Does anyone remember this?
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Old 11-02-2010, 02:55 PM
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Can't Cindy be held accountable for something here? She could NOT have been telling the truth to LE about thinking she had a job, etc when she was paying for all of this nonsense, and being told that Universal was putting her and Caylee and Zanny up in hotels when she disappeared for a week at a time.

It makes NO sense, and Cindy has to be punished for this imo. I'm sick of this woman.
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Old 11-02-2010, 02:56 PM
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Did anyone else notice that there are two B of A accounts? One in George's name with a balance due of over $10,000 and then Cindy's account, which she never seemed to make a payment on.

These had to be after George and Casey already did their damage to Cindy's account, as I don't see a lot of transactions.......just a lot of late/overlimit fees!
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Did anyone else notice that there are two B of A accounts? One in George's name with a balance due of over $10,000 and then Cindy's account, which she never seemed to make a payment on.

These had to be after George and Casey already did their damage to Cindy's account, as I don't see a lot of transactions.......just a lot of late/overlimit fees!
Those are credit card statements. In addition to those, there are two B of A checking accounts in Cindy's name.

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wenwe, NICE WORK and thank you for opening this thread.

As for naming it, I would suggest "KC Check Fraud" but CA at least must have been aware of at least some of this so am not sure if that still qualifies it as fraud...
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A few things I noted..

1. If a $5xx payment to AT&T was made in May, how was there a $3xx amount due for June (that bounced twice)? Did she purchase a new phone, I seem to remember something about that but I'm not sure. $800 within 2 months of billing seems incredibly high unless she purchased *two* OUT OF CONTRACT phones (ie not upgrades for cheap) in April (billing to May) and May (billing to June).

Have we seen the AT&T records for the billing - not the calls - for Casey's account yet?

2. George's BOFA credit card - forged by Casey, or a relic from his online gambling? (And the way this family operated, I wonder if it was actually George that DID the online gambling referenced and he wasn't just covering for Casey, who apparently spent a lot of time being bored and on the computer).

What was the account opening date on that one? Sorry lots of pages I read and I can't even remember which PDF it was on.

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After the $3590.85 deposit on 5/6/08 the following electronic transactions took place:

5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $1,010.91
5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 400.00
5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 300.00
5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 200.00
5/8/08 AT&T payment for Casey $ 574.60
5/12/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 800.00

If that wasn't Casey's doing, I will eat my hat.
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When did she hack Grandma Shirley's checking account? What month? I know they found out in June '08 ....So, I am assuming it was around the same time?
I thought it was May
iirc Cindy herself paid that amount back to her fathers assisted living account? I think it was in the email exchange with her brother Rick.
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After the $3590.85 deposit on 5/6/08 the following electronic transactions took place:

5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $1,010.91
5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 400.00
5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 300.00
5/7/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 200.00
5/8/08 AT&T payment for Casey $ 574.60
5/12/08 Online banking withdrawal $ 800.00

If that wasn't Casey's doing, I will eat my hat.
I didn't want to say it since KC's name or handwriting wasn't attached that I could verify - but I have to say I do agree that these expenses appear a bit strange to me as well. Thank you for helping with trying to give the down and dirty numbers for others as well.
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A few things I noted..

1. If a $5xx payment to AT&T was made in May, how was there a $3xx amount due for June (that bounced twice)? Did she purchase a new phone, I seem to remember something about that but I'm not sure. $800 within 2 months of billing seems incredibly high unless she purchased *two* OUT OF CONTRACT phones (ie not upgrades for cheap) in April (billing to May) and May (billing to June).

Have we seen the AT&T records for the billing - not the calls - for Casey's account yet?

2. George's BOFA credit card - forged by Casey, or a relic from his online gambling? (And the way this family operated, I wonder if it was actually George that DID the online gambling referenced and he wasn't just covering for Casey, who apparently spent a lot of time being bored and on the computer).

What was the account opening date on that one? Sorry lots of pages I read and I can't even remember which PDF it was on.
1. If her cell plan did not include unlimited texting and she kept going over, her bills could certainly be that high. I don't recall seeing the actual bills though.

2. Pretty sure George ran up a lot of debt himself. There's several judgements that have been ordered against him including this one. If you go here http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx and click on 'Civil Case Records' then search on George's name you can see them. They don't show the amounts owed though, only the court fees.
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My guess is y'all are entirely correct and those ones that appear to have been written by ICA were taken without CAs knowledge.... however- let me just throw out there that a number of my friends back in high school, their parents would ask them to "stop at Target and pick up this that and the other thing" and would actually allow them to forge the check. One of my friends in particular had an entire checkbook of her mother's and was constantly using it, but only because her mother asked her to.

Perhaps, and only perhaps, the majority of these were written with CA's permission?
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I don't think they were but I would bet Cindy will use that as her excuse as to why Casey was using Cindy's bank account.
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I didn't want to say it since KC's name or handwriting wasn't attached that I could verify - but I have to say I do agree that these expenses appear a bit strange to me as well. Thank you for helping with trying to give the down and dirty numbers for others as well.
Another thing that leads me to believe it was Casey on that 2nd account is it was opened exactly the same time she stopped writing checks on the 1st one and the statement on the 2nd one for time period 7/22/08 - 8/19/08 has no activity at all. Casey was in jail.
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What was Cindy's annual salary does anyone know, was the $3590.85 her monthly wage? If yes, did the woman work to a budget.....at all? This makes no sense. Why she would sit by and let herself be sucked dry by George and Casey just blows me away. I really don't understand this. She's so tough and domineering towards people inside and outside her family but at the same time she allows herself to be walked all over financially? I just do not understand. Her perceived inability to kick George out (divorce = losing 1/2 the house and alimony) and Casey (can't put her daughter on the street and what about Caylee) does not explain why she could not have protected herself from their blatant theft.

I feel sorry for her, I really do. I know she's not a sympathetic character and her behaviour attracts derision, but she was truly victimised by her own family for years, and then to have Casey do this to her one ray of sunshine, to kill her granddaughter the only person in that family she could have any kind of open relationship with, well, it's no wonder she's off the rails.

And yes, if only she had taken the bull by the horns, faced the truth, removed herself from them and taken Caylee with her, but I am sure she thinks the same thing everyday.
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1. If her cell plan did not include unlimited texting and she kept going over, her bills could certainly be that high. I don't recall seeing the actual bills though.

2. Pretty sure George ran up a lot of debt himself. There's several judgements that have been ordered against him including this one. If you go here http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx and click on 'Civil Case Records' then search on George's name you can see them. They don't show the amounts owed though, only the court fees.
Not paying their bills seems to have been an Anthony lifestyle for a long time. Several years of judgments against them - then the Mortgage default...
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A few things I noted..

1. If a $5xx payment to AT&T was made in May, how was there a $3xx amount due for June (that bounced twice)? Did she purchase a new phone, I seem to remember something about that but I'm not sure. $800 within 2 months of billing seems incredibly high unless she purchased *two* OUT OF CONTRACT phones (ie not upgrades for cheap) in April (billing to May) and May (billing to June).

Have we seen the AT&T records for the billing - not the calls - for Casey's account yet?

2. George's BOFA credit card - forged by Casey, or a relic from his online gambling? (And the way this family operated, I wonder if it was actually George that DID the online gambling referenced and he wasn't just covering for Casey, who apparently spent a lot of time being bored and on the computer).

What was the account opening date on that one? Sorry lots of pages I read and I can't even remember which PDF it was on.
1) see pg 314/418 - two bounced online transactions
6/27/08 $377.33 (presented again on 7/3 and 7/10) w/ KC's name on ATT acct. also confirmed on pgs 322 & 323/418 w/kc's name and this amount

also note between 7/22/08 and 8/19/08 only a monthly maintenence fee of $12 charged on the account (pg 347/418)
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Here is a list of all of the checks that appear to be in KC's handwriting with dates, check numbers and amounts. I find the check numbers to be quite interesting.

BOA CA checking account
12/14/07 #4527 (4627?) Target $115.93
12/14/07 #4636 Target $143.17 (4635 & 4637 processed 3/11/08)
12/15/07 #4681 Target $ 90.81
12/28/07 #4683 Target $110.01
12/29/07 #4587 Target $ 58.54
#4654 Target $121.66 ( #s 2/28/08 3/6/08)
12/31/07 #4651 Target $ 44.86 (#s2/28/08 3/6/08)
*2/18/08 #4638 Target $ 64.86
2/19/08 #4606 Target $ 83.75
2/20/08 #4640 Target $158.93
2/22/08 #4597 Kmart $ 31.78
2/22/08 #4677 Ross $ 58.49
2/23/08 #4666(?) Walgreens $106.41
2/26/08 #4607(?) Michaels $ 20.52
2/26/08 #4655 Walgreens $ 54.95
2/28/08 #4608 Target $ 84.93
3/3/08 #4657 Target $ 65.34
3/4/08 #4656 Target $ 61.61
3/4/08 #4645 Ross $64.80
3/6/08 #4624 Walgreens $ 50.00
3/8/08 #4637(?) Walgreens $107.71
3/9/08 #4629 Target $ 58.92
3/9/08 #4534 Michaels $ 35.80
3/10/08 #4635 Kmart $ 86.55
3/10/08 #4639 Publix $ 24.94
3/11/08 #4603 Walgreens $ 45.62

Grand Total $1950.89
Frame that list and title it:-
Does this girl have a conscience?
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From reading Shirley Pleasea's emails Casey may have inherited her theiving ways from George. Apparently he has also cleverly hacked into accounts or accessed funds that he shouldn't have over the years. I think there's a lot more to Georgie than meets our eye.
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