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Old 11-15-2010, 06:58 PM
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<y opinion on the "age" of these emails is that as far as when the emails were written and sent from Terri to either one or more of her "friends is that they are definitely dated before June 4, 2010... I do not see Terri After-the -fact{as in after Ky is "gone"} to be "venting" about her hatred towards Kyron and blaming the "missing" son for her failed marriage...No...NO!...Just no way AFTER-THE-FACT that Terri would dare write something such as this.. Nope, IMO these were written possibly even before she actually started "plotting" the "disappearance".. Because IMO once in that stage of planning of Kyron's demise she would be smart enough to know not to have traceable evidence such as this that would point DIRECTLY TO HER...

This was I would say pre-planning stage, along with quite possibly in alcohol rages that she wrote these emails{even quite possible in "black out" stage of her drinking late at night}therefor Terri may not even have conscious memory of what exactly she said and wrote in those emails..IMO that is MORE THAN POSSIBLE...
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:05 PM
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Is there a link to the interview? I've missed the 20/20 one and this one ugh
I think you can probably find most of it at the closed threads...people were posting links...

I just want to know if the fact they showed these e-mails to D&K, if they did, means movement in the case, or that the case is stuck, and they wanted more input. Just curious. I know they won't say.

But, and this is just an opinon, if LE is showing D&K things that will be evidence and not telling them they cannot disclose it (or worse, letting them disclose it at will) I don't think that is professional and could become a problem at some point in any future trials.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:09 PM
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Dreamyeye, I wondered if the emails could be new as well but I'm not sure if LE would want that information released in that case. Wouldn't they want that informant to keep the communication lines open with Terri in the hopes that she'll reveal something about Kyron. Terri would find out now that her bat email has been hacked or that her friends gave her emails to LE and that she can trust no one. .
This is a very good question, and I don't know the answer. It might be a part of the psyche game they're being forced to "play" with Terri, giving her the feeling that the walls have eyes. It also seems to me that Terri appears to be hopelessly incapable of moderating her own behavior, and who would know that any better than LE? So maybe LE feels she will go on and on incriminating herself because she can't stop. And (the one I would choose if I could!) maybe they don't need her to do anything further because they've now got what they need in order to do what they're aiming to do.

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Maybe it's just the fact that LE feels an obligation to inform Kaine and Desiree, but realize they have to balance it with the possibility of the info leaking out to the public.

I have no doubt that investigators have great sympathy for what Kaine and Desiree are going through and would like for them to have as much info as possible. They deserve answers but obviously with the investigation still in progress LE is not in the position to tell or show Des and Kaine everything they've learned. And Desiree seems to me like she desperately wants to relay important info she gets to the public, she wants people to know what she feels about Terri and why she feels that way. So perhaps LE just felt like the parents needed and update so they provided Des and Kaine with the most important info they could, but stuff that wouldn't really damage the investigation if it happened to get out. I don't believe we know that the e-mails were the only info given to the parents on Friday, just that it was probably the info that affected Desiree the most. Maybe LE was trying to leak info as some have said in this thread or maybe they just wanted to update the parents and if something leaked, so be it.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:19 PM
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<y opinion on the "age" of these emails is that as far as when the emails were written and sent from Terri to either one or more of her "friends is that they are definitely dated before June 4, 2010... I do not see Terri After-the -fact{as in after Ky is "gone"} to be "venting" about her hatred towards Kyron and blaming the "missing" son for her failed marriage...No...NO!...Just no way AFTER-THE-FACT that Terri would dare write something such as this.. Nope, IMO these were written possibly even before she actually started "plotting" the "disappearance".. Because IMO once in that stage of planning of Kyron's demise she would be smart enough to know not to have traceable evidence such as this that would point DIRECTLY TO HER...

This was I would say pre-planning stage, along with quite possibly in alcohol rages that she wrote these emails{even quite possible in "black out" stage of her drinking late at night}therefor Terri may not even have conscious memory of what exactly she said and wrote in those emails..IMO that is MORE THAN POSSIBLE...
Well, you have a point. Because it certainly doesn't make a lot of sense that she would be out there firing off incriminating emails after Kyron disappeared. The only way I can explain that part of it is that I think she has been in some kind of downward spiral with her mental health. I think she is utterly out of control, and I doubt that she's thinking logically. I doubt she's in very good touch with reality.

But for the emails to have been before the disappearance (or its planning) makes sense too because I can see how that would hit Desiree especially hard. Because up until this came out, Terri has been presented as the fawning, approval-seeking super step mom who was in constant touch with Desiree and they were networking about his welfare. So seeing the contrast between the Terri revealed in these emails and the Terri who chatted with Desiree over the Internet and phone about school projects and visitation ... where, I can see where that would be a "bombshell" to Desiree.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:58 PM
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We may discuss what happened in the interviews today. We may discuss what each person said and how it is affecting this case.

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Old 11-15-2010, 08:00 PM
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So will these emails help find Kyron at all?
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:03 PM
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Is there a link to the interview? I've missed the 20/20 one and this one ugh
From the News Thread:

Desiree on Today: HERE

Kaine's Press Conference: HERE
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:04 PM
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Preparation for an arrest...

Since early this A.M., I have been more and more convinced that LE is preparing KH and DY for TH's arrest for the murder of their child. LE gets only one chance. I know of a couple of cases in which the decision may have been made to go ahead with an arrest, but generally LE discusses the impending decision, both out of respect for the family and to present a unified front.

I agree with others that this has been a murder investigation for quite some time. It's my wish that if LE feels ready to proceed, they have constructed a case in which there is very little or no doubt about the deed and the doer.

I think DY is hanging on by a thread, and I can't fathom her pain. It was chilling when she said she would keep hope until "she dies."

However, there have been rumblings for some months about the GJ meeting. There have been fresh rumblings this month. I imagine they would adjourn before the Thanksgiving holiday, but certainly this MO.

LE, I feel certain, had a purpose and direction when they shared the information with DY. For those who are frustrated and express that with the comments, "Why didn't she...?", "Why didn't he...?", please remember, as I know we all know, that hindsight IS 20/20. In the complex relationship of any marriage there are blind spots. I can't imagine the things that could go awry when dealing with basically 8 adults parenting 4 kids...the feelings and needs of all involved...the chances for negative feelings...

I hope that Kyron is home soon, and his parents and the rest of his families can find some peace.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:05 PM
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So will these emails help find Kyron at all?
Obviously, they provide no details to where he or his remains might be recovered. Certainly, that does not mean they have no investigative value however. If only material that leads to "recovery" matters...the killer would remain triumphant in removing from life a hated child.

I think they are a road-map to finding Kyron's killer...which may be the only justice in this case.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:07 PM
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Obviously, they provide no details to where he or his remains might be recovered. Certainly, that does not mean they have no investigative value however. If only material that leads to "recovery" matters...the killer would remain triumphant in removing from life a hated child.

I think they are a road-map to finding Kyron's killer...which may be the only justice in this case.
I'm very curious then why LE would release these to the parents, given their stance on not releasing any information pertaining to this ongoing investigation.

I am at a complete loss, as a matter of fact.
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I'm very curious then why LE would release these to the parents, given their stance on not releasing any information pertaining to this ongoing investigation.

I am at a complete loss, as a matter of fact.
I assume the parents know plenty of things that we don't know.

LE hasn't released everything to the public, and these emails weren't released to the public either. The parents have top priority over other humans and need to know the truth about TH. I think that explains it.
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I guess I am curious about the timing...whether LE held on to these for a while, or only just got them. If they had them a while, there has to be a reason they showed them to D&K now.
I'm just catching up and haven't finished the thread. So I apologize if this was already pointed out. I don't think there is a NOW. D&K mentioned the emails months ago. Or at least D did in a presser. She might just now be speaking about it. But it sounds to me like her and K saw them months ago.

IMO, why? Because as a parent she has a right to see them.
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There is a difference in this case, though, as in most cases I have followed, the parents always say that they never heard anything from LE until the public heard it as well, and never had more than cursory status meetings.

Perhaps it is all due to Tony.

I do hope there was a reason that Desiree had to feel this extra hurt right now and that it leads directly to an arrest.
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I'm very curious then why LE would release these to the parents, given their stance on not releasing any information pertaining to this ongoing investigation.

I am at a complete loss, as a matter of fact.
I think LE views Kyron's parents a bit differently than the general public. Hiding things from us does not mean they should be hidden from the parents.
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I assume the parents know plenty of things that we don't know.

LE hasn't released everything to the public, and these emails weren't released to the public either. The parents have top priority over other humans and need to know the truth about TH. I think that explains it.
I did say release to the parents, not the public. The parents themselves waited apparently 48 hours to release the information within the emails to the public.

I am very perplexed. The heads and tails of this are completely cattywampus for me.
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There is a difference in this case, though, as in most cases I have followed, the parents always say that they never heard anything from LE until the public heard it as well, and never had more than cursory status meetings.

Perhaps it is all due to Tony.

I do hope there was a reason that Desiree had to feel this extra hurt right now and that it leads directly to an arrest.
I've seen it go both ways. I've seen parents who know alot from the get go. I've seen parents who waited years to find out their kids COD. LE wouldn't release the autopsy while the case was an open investigation.
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I think LE views Kyron's parents a bit differently than the general public. Hiding things from us does not mean they should be hidden from the parents.
I agree. And the more I think about it, the more I think the answer to the thread title is "Why wouldn't they release these emails to the parents?"

Are people still worried about TH's right to confidentiality in her emails or something? I don't think that applies at this point, since these were either seized as part of the investigation or someone came forward with them as evidence. Kyron's rights are what matters to LE, and he is their top priority. TH's rights as a suspect have to be taken care of by her defense attorney.

This is sort of like the MFH plot because emails about TH "hating" Kyron show her state of mind and how far she was willing to go.

If D & K are still in denial (both thinking that Kyron must be alive and "stashed" somewhere), then those emails might give them a different perspective.
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So will these emails help find Kyron at all?
Kyron may not be findable. Finding Kyron is not the only issue at hand. The case needs to proceed forward no matter if Kyron is found or not.

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Kyron may not be findable. Finding Kyron is not the only issue at hand. The case needs to proceed forward no matter if Kyron is found or not.
Okay. Is justice for Kyron found in these emails?
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I just want to suggest one possible other reason for these emails surfacing at this time. Kaine said at his press conference today that the divorce was part of a process...I took that to meant the back and forth trying to get Terri on the record.

LE might want the civil case judge to know about these emails...LE does not want to hold a press conference about them and taint the jury pool so obviously...but showing them to Kaine and Desiree is one good way to get them out there...without it looking intentional on the part of LE.

Also, with Kaine's recent motion, it is a good time for LE to just pile it on. Maybe one last stab at getting Terri to talk...

Those are my thoughts
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I wasn't even thinking of Terri's possible confidentiality issues...I assume that the person who received the e-mails would give LE permission to use them as needed. I think once you send an e-mail that it becomes the property of the person who receives it.

I guess I am unsure why LE would feel that D&K needed to see the details now, if they just saw them. If they saw them months ago, well then, never mind. But if LE just showed them to D&K, then there must be a reason.
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Okay. Is justice for Kyron found in these emails?
I'm not sure what you are getting at. Releasing the emails are not justice for Kyron. But they might be one little clue that moves the case forward toward justice for Kyron.
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I just want to suggest one possible other reason for these emails surfacing at this time. Kaine said at his press conference today that the divorce was part of a process...I took that to meant the back and forth trying to get Terri on the record.

LE might want the civil case judge to know about these emails...LE does not want to hold a press conference about them and taint the jury pool so obviously...but showing them to Kaine and Desiree is one good way to get them out there...without it looking intentional on the part of LE.

Also, with Kaine's recent motion, it is a good time for LE to just pile it on. Maybe one last stab at getting Terri to talk...

Those are my thoughts
That doesn't seem ethical at all, to surreptitiously provide information to a judge in a civil case information regarding a criminal case that isn't being brought forth. I'm sure LE isn't doing THAT!

I'm starting to wonder if they knew that Kaine and Desiree would hold press conferences about the information they've been given.
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