KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010, #4, Adam Longoria arrested

[cathdawg]

Originally Posted by Tugela

That depends on what exactly the sample is and how much DNA is there. If it is on the floormat of the car and both persons used the car, it is possible for DNA to get mixed up by coincidence.

Someone else's DNA in her mouth wouldn't necessarily mean some sort of sexual act, she might just have been kissing someone.

I would hope that they have more evidence than just DNA though, because it sounds like there might be some loopholes in that.

I would think that 'semen' would be a decent sample for DNA.

Evidence at Longoria's first preliminary hearing showed a mixture of DNA belonging to both Longoria and DeBolt in semen stains on the floor mat of a black Ford Escape. The vehicle was titled to Longoria's girlfriend, but he has admitted that he often drove it.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/194...#ixzz1bjlzZpLf

[cathdawg]

Hi hollyblue, This other person's DNA found on Alicia was it in her mouth or on her body? I am confused, TIA

[cathdawg]

Has this article been posted? It is old (July/11), however I did not realize that EB and AD entered a texting war, boy I would love to see these.....also I did not realize or I forgot that the Pathologist stated that AD was dead prior to her body being set on fire. So...did he leave her remains at the 'Plant' and went back to get the gas or was she somewhere else ie his car or ? and then brought her corpse to the plant? I am thinking about the time frame.

July 21: By just after midnight, Longoria had obtained a new cellphone and given his old one to Eva Brown. When Brown saw that her boyfriend and Alicia had been texting, "she enters into a texting war with Alicia," a document said. The two exchanged 19 messages in 20 minutes.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/17/193...#ixzz1bjyyvJlM

[wasnt_me]

WOW. That's all I can say after reading that article posted above. I'm just confused because it seemed that at some point, AD decided that AL was not the person she ought to be hanging around. At least that is what the texts seemed to indicate. So it would be strange to me that she just decided to get in the car with him that night. If the article is correctly conveying AD's leeriness to get in his car, I can only think that he must have been with someone that she knew that last time.

I don't know if she ever met up with him at all between the bday party and her death, but if she didn't, she might not have known that the truck was his until she got it in? I'm speculating that he when he got a new phone, he might have started telling her that he was someone else? I don't know. Can't figure that out based on that article. But why would she consistently turn him down, but say yes that final night?

[Tugela]

Originally Posted by cathdawg

I would think that 'semen' would be a decent sample for DNA.

Evidence at Longoria's first preliminary hearing showed a mixture of DNA belonging to both Longoria and DeBolt in semen stains on the floor mat of a black Ford Escape. The vehicle was titled to Longoria's girlfriend, but he has admitted that he often drove it.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/194...#ixzz1bjlzZpLf

Not necessarily. It depends on how much DNA was there and where it came from. If she had been in the vehicle at some point her DNA could contaminate a pre-existing semen stain for example. It is not unreasonable to suppose that she had at some point, given their relationship. So, the correlation with sexual contact must be proven.

More telling would be finding his DNA in/on her, especially sperm. But apparently the DNA that was found was from another male, not Longoria. If they did have sexual contact that resulted in sperm being deposited on the floor, there should be some sign of that on the body.

[Tugela]

Originally Posted by cathdawg

Has this article been posted? It is old (July/11), however I did not realize that EB and AD entered a texting war, boy I would love to see these.....also I did not realize or I forgot that the Pathologist stated that AD was dead prior to her body being set on fire. So...did he leave her remains at the 'Plant' and went back to get the gas or was she somewhere else ie his car or ? and then brought her corpse to the plant? I am thinking about the time frame.

July 21: By just after midnight, Longoria had obtained a new cellphone and given his old one to Eva Brown. When Brown saw that her boyfriend and Alicia had been texting, "she enters into a texting war with Alicia," a document said. The two exchanged 19 messages in 20 minutes.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/17/193...#ixzz1bjyyvJlM

Interesting. Unless they have managed to locate these items they were talking about, it doesn't sound like they have much direct evidence implicating him. What about this Eva person? Did she testify directly or was it only her sister? If so then that would be hearsay. While they could get a search warrant with that, surely it would not be admissable in trial. It seems odd that the sister would be testifying and not Eva herself. What does she have to say about this?

If sexual assault took place in the vehicle, presumably that is where she would have been subdued, so why no evidence of that (the blood for example). If the blood originated from events outside the vehicle afterwards, then there should be some sign of it in or on the vehicle as well. All of this happened in one and a half hours, that does not seem to be enough time to have fetched her, done the deed and disposed of the body without leaving more than a few traces in the vehicle. The sister claimed that he had come home stinking of gasoline. If so, there should have been some residue of that in the vehicle. Was there? what about his shoes? Bleach would not have destroyed all signs of blood, there would be something left (not to mention bleach itself).

[hollyblue]

Originally Posted by cathdawg

Hi hollyblue, This other person's DNA found on Alicia was it in her mouth or on her body? I am confused, TIA

Per AL, her mouth...per his attorney...her body. So...atm..???

[hollyblue]

Originally Posted by cathdawg

Has this article been posted? It is old (July/11), however I did not realize that EB and AD entered a texting war, boy I would love to see these.....also I did not realize or I forgot that the Pathologist stated that AD was dead prior to her body being set on fire. So...did he leave her remains at the 'Plant' and went back to get the gas or was she somewhere else ie his car or ? and then brought her corpse to the plant? I am thinking about the time frame.

July 21: By just after midnight, Longoria had obtained a new cellphone and given his old one to Eva Brown. When Brown saw that her boyfriend and Alicia had been texting, "she enters into a texting war with Alicia," a document said. The two exchanged 19 messages in 20 minutes.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/17/193...#ixzz1bjyyvJlM

I believe the prosecution's theory is: He left her body there, went to get the gas and returned.

Longoria drove from an asphalt plant, where he had worked, to a Love's convenience store in Great Bend, where he bought gasoline. He returned to her body, poured gas on it and set it on fire, prosecutors allege

I''m, beside my myself that this 30 something yr old woman was in pizzy texting war with a 14 yr old girl. She apparently texted AD that she was his wife. Lisa's testimony about how EB "saw things" just shows how immature and insecure she was....and how AL was only using her for a place to stay and an occasional "good time". Wasn't it mentioned in the beginning how her mother (AD's) had rec'd a phone call or something and had told AD to stay away from AL?

[hollyblue]

Originally Posted by Tugela

Interesting. Unless they have managed to locate these items they were talking about, it doesn't sound like they have much direct evidence implicating him. What about this Eva person? Did she testify directly or was it only her sister? If so then that would be hearsay. While they could get a search warrant with that, surely it would not be admissable in trial. It seems odd that the sister would be testifying and not Eva herself. What does she have to say about this?

If sexual assault took place in the vehicle, presumably that is where she would have been subdued, so why no evidence of that (the blood for example). If the blood originated from events outside the vehicle afterwards, then there should be some sign of it in or on the vehicle as well. All of this happened in one and a half hours, that does not seem to be enough time to have fetched her, done the deed and disposed of the body without leaving more than a few traces in the vehicle. The sister claimed that he had come home stinking of gasoline. If so, there should have been some residue of that in the vehicle. Was there? what about his shoes? Bleach would not have destroyed all signs of blood, there would be something left (not to mention bleach itself).

Eva did testify at the preliminary, and I'm sure there is a signed statement by her also. Maybe it's 'sealed' or not available to public?
She was something else....saying she was going to wait to see how the trial goes on whether or not she would continue her relationship with AL. There was a "mess" about common law wife, etc. .....Unreal.

[cathdawg]

Thanks hollyblue, I think I need to go back and figure out the timeline for that Eve., I wish we had one. I can not trust EB's rendition. If one were to rely on the time she stated when he came home then we are talking about an hr or so ......IF my memory serves me correctly.

[cathdawg]

Originally Posted by Tugela

Interesting. Unless they have managed to locate these items they were talking about, it doesn't sound like they have much direct evidence implicating him. What about this Eva person? Did she testify directly or was it only her sister? If so then that would be hearsay. While they could get a search warrant with that, surely it would not be admissable in trial. It seems odd that the sister would be testifying and not Eva herself. What does she have to say about this?

If sexual assault took place in the vehicle, presumably that is where she would have been subdued, so why no evidence of that (the blood for example). If the blood originated from events outside the vehicle afterwards, then there should be some sign of it in or on the vehicle as well. All of this happened in one and a half hours, that does not seem to be enough time to have fetched her, done the deed and disposed of the body without leaving more than a few traces in the vehicle. The sister claimed that he had come home stinking of gasoline. If so, there should have been some residue of that in the vehicle. Was there? what about his shoes? Bleach would not have destroyed all signs of blood, there would be something left (not to mention bleach itself).

FYI

http://articles.kwch.com/2010-11-18/...goria_24839542

[cathdawg]

Found this.....blog from Nov/10. Check out comment Nov20/10 from DS.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/alici...#ixzz1br70tw4A

[cathdawg]

New Motion Today: 10 day Jury March 26th, 2012 @9am

see below

[cathdawg]

Originally Posted by cathdawg

Wonder if there is any truth to a comment made by a Poster on NG's blog. I will find it and post it.

SHE SAID ITEMS OF ALICIA'S CLOTHING WERE FOUND AT THE "AUTOZONE" . I googled this place and it is not far from Love's.

NG link, Poster's name: Darlene, way down..........

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010...alicia-debolt/

Google Map Autozone & Love's

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1221+10th+St,+Great+Bend ,+KS+67530,+USA+(love%27s+travel+stop)&daddr=2219+ 10th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA&hl=en&geocode=F WVZSQIdCSQd-inf7k20LoqjhzFmYtqxCdOfow%3BFeFYSQIdB-sc-ilVC851NoqjhzHfqlpdow_NBA&mra=ls&sll=38.361445,-98.753527&sspn=0.009691,0.016544&ie=UTF8&ll=38.361 395,-98.760824&spn=0.009691,0.016544&t=h&z=16

I have brought this old post forward as it has map details of 'Love's ,Autozone . I am now wondering if there is some truth to the possibility that maybe Alicia's body was left at 'Autozone' while AL purchased the Gas @ Love's @ 12:10 am(receipt time) He was at Love's for about 1/2 hr. Then went to Venture to burn her remains?! I see the major issue with the time is per EB tesimony that AL returned home @ 12:35 am.

[hollyblue]

Motions hearing date set for Great Bend man charged with Capital Murder

GREAT BEND – While more motions have been filed in the capital murder case against a 37-year-old Great Bend man, a tentative date for the next hearing has been set by Barton County District Judge Hannelore Kitts. She has set the hearing for February 8, 2012.

http://www.hutchpost.com/2011/12/10/...apital-murder/

[hollyblue]

Originally Posted by cathdawg

I have brought this old post forward as it has map details of 'Love's ,Autozone . I am now wondering if there is some truth to the possibility that maybe Alicia's body was left at 'Autozone' while AL purchased the Gas @ Love's @ 12:10 am(receipt time) He was at Love's for about 1/2 hr. Then went to Venture to burn her remains?! I see the major issue with the time is per EB tesimony that AL returned home @ 12:35 am.

I think it's just rumor at this point cathdawg. The woman says her clothing was found there. LE has never brought the Autozone into the media that I can remember...and why would he want to bring her into town where he could be seen with her body vs leaving her behind a hill of gravel at the asphalt plant? As far a EB...I don't believe a word coming out of her mouth. JMO

[wasnt_me]

I'm sorry, I'm coming in after a long hiatus. Wasn't AD's shoe found at the asphalt or gravel place where her body was found? Just thinking that if her shoes were up there, it's likely the rest of her clothes were up there also.

[fhc]

http://www.kwch.com/news/sns-ap-ks--...,5963916.story

Suspect in 2010 killing of Great Bend girl seeks to move trial out of Barton County

[westsidefox64]

Survey: Most in Barton County already believe Longoria guilty of killing 14-year-old girl

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/02/08/220...#storylink=cpy

GREAT BEND — Three out of four people surveyed in Barton County believe Adam Longoria is guilty of killing a 14-year-old girl

The survey, conducted through Pittsburg State University, is evidence Longoria cannot get a fair trial here, his defense argued Wednesday morning.
“The only way to ensure a fair trial is to move the case to another county, where they are not as involved and have not made up their minds,” public defender Jeff Wicks argued.
“Just exactly where do you want it to go?” prosecutor Kevin O’Connor argued.

Kansas case law holds high standards for moving a trial from the county where a crime is charged. Other cases, with higher survey results, have not been moved and convictions upheld on appeal. O’Connor quoted one ruling that said the defense would have to prove a fair trial “impossible” for a judge to have to order the trial moved. The Kansas Supreme Court has a history of not interfering with trial judges’ decisions on where to locate the trial, O’Connor pointed out.
“The evidence does not rise to any more than mere speculation,” O’Connor said.

Barton County District Judge Hannelore Kitts said she would rule on the motion Monday.
The motion was one of dozens being argued Wednesday in Longoria’s case, which is set for trial March 26. Most involved requests by the defense for the judge to issue orders on points of legal procedure during trial. On the majority of them, Kitts either denied the requests or ruled they were unnecessary because they were covered by existing courthouse policies

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/02/08/220...#storylink=cpy

[westsidefox64]

Bumping this up trial should start monday!!!

[Kat]

http://www.startribune.com/nation/144087656.html

Updated: March 24, 2012 - 11:04 AM

"He began to woo Alicia by fawning over her and providing her with mixed alcohol drinks. He wanted Alicia to be `his girl,'" prosecutors wrote in one filing. "When another male took her home at the end of the party, the defendant became upset, later accusing this individual of blocking his attempts to have sex with Alicia."

Longoria and the girl began texting the day after that party, exchanging 55 messages on July 18, 2010. Longoria called Alicia "miss shy" and "hot stuff" and asked her to send him a picture, which she did.

Prosecutors say Longoria attempted unsuccessfully on four other occasions to get Alicia in the car with him.

(he is longoria).

[ksnurse]

Adam Longoria's trial begins today. I will be glued to the local news.

Praying for justice for Alicia!!!!

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/...V8u6k9wyw.cspx

[smokey]

thanks ksnurse- do you know if they will have cameras in courtroom? TIA

[westsidefox64]

Jared Cerullo will be tweeting live from the trial of Adam Longoria in Great Bend this week. Follow him on Twitter @KAKEJared

http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/H...5.html?ref=595

[westsidefox64]

Eyewitness News will provide live streaming video and a courtroom blog of the trial, once the jury is seated.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-jf-man...,5996502.story