Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario

[dairydog]

Originally Posted by LilyMacBloom

The moment I read this Dairydog I immediately thought of Sonia V. her link is following.
Found Deceased Canada - Sonia Varaschin, 42, Orangeville, 29 Aug 2010 - #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

her murderer has not been found I'm going to go back through her thread and see if I can find any connection. Perhaps she went to McMaster? Did the same person do some sort of repairs for both these ladies?

I have also thought about the SV case LilyMacBloom. I know they brought in an FBI profiler (I think it was FBI) but didn't release all the profile details to the public for fear of compromising the investigation. Ancaster is quite a way from Orangeville but one never knows. I think that most of us felt that SV's killer would be arrested quickly given all the evidence. The various police detachments have pulled out all the stops but still no arrest. We have 3 recent cases of horrific brutality; SV in Orangeville, the poor lady in Mono who was brutally beaten in her photography studio (on a slow road to recovery from severe brain injuries) and now AG.
The SV profile mentioned a loner type who might have exhibited strange behavior following the murder. This could be the case but what I find totally scary is the fact that AG's killer could be a Ted Bundy or Russell Williams type psychopath who nobody would ever suspect. As we know TB was a clever law student, charming, good looking and had a number of girlfriends and yet committed horrific murders. Unfortunately they are much harder to catch and quite often it's a slip-up on their part that leads to an arrest. AG's fiendish killer may fit the profile of those two. Poor AG's killer may have taken a so called 'trophy' from the home. They often say that these psychopath's drive by the scene of their crimes after the fact.
It would be interesting to find out if there is any commonality with regard to the 3 cases. Perhaps the Orangeville and Mono cases are connected but I have a feeling that Ancaster may be too far.

[dotr]

Violent transient charged with vicious murder of another woman from Hamilton.What is going on there?!

http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/ar...pkeeper-murder
Special to the Hamilton...MURDER CHARGES:A 25-year-old man described by police as a “transient” is facing a first degree murder charge in the death of a pregnant shopkeeper, who was brutally attacked and left for dead in the downtown store she owned with her husband eight months ago.
Hunt for downtown killer down to one man
.A 25-year-old man described by police as a “transient” is facing a first degree murder charge in the death of a pregnant shopkeeper, who was brutally attacked and left for dead in the downtown store she owned with her husband eight months ago.

Hamilton police Detective Sergeant Ian Matthews announced the charge against Patrick Sung Tae Smith Friday afternoon, hours after detectives arrested the man “without incident” at a downtown residence.

Matthews said he believes the accused and victim were strangers to each other and the motive was robbery. Her purse was missing.

[Missizzy]

I really have to wonder if that murder was not hate-related due to the woman's ethnicity. Absolutely tragic but I'm not getting the sense it was related the Ms. Gleave's death.

I'm so pleased they caught the alleged killer.

[Missizzy]

I was just looking at the map at the following site:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...-audrey-gleave

Does anyone else find it curious that the address given for the "abandoned barn" pinpoints a property which has a number of outbuildings--none of which seem to be abandoned. There seems to be a number of vehicles parked around the property and quite a sense of activity in the area.

Being that Ms. Gleave's handyman lives within a few blocks of that location, I wonder if he ever picked up that man when he was out walking. That might have been a way for the transient man to have gotten closer to Ms. Gleave's property. I'd wondered why he would seek out a house 5 miles away, if he was on foot.

[Missizzy]

Does anyone know the exact address of the barn which was searched? I was looking at other crimes committed in the area within the last year of so and found this. This occurred on a street named Sympatica Crescent, which looks to be just blocks away from the barn. I was interested in it as it involves a young man who must have been experiencing some sort of mental break and who was threatening to kill himself while brandishing two large knives. The investigation of the shooting, which occurred in August 2010, was just completed. The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.

http://www.brantford.com/news.cfm?pa...articleId=9652


Being that a commenter on one of the earlier articles talked about "going to that barn until being chased by a man with an axe" (I'm paraphrasing here), I have to wonder what all was going on at that barn. Was this man, EJ, involved with the barn in some way?

[dairydog]

Originally Posted by Missizzy

Does anyone know the exact address of the barn which was searched? I was looking at other crimes committed in the area within the last year of so and found this. This occurred on a street named Sympatica Crescent, which looks to be just blocks away from the barn. I was interested in it as it involves a young man who must have been experiencing some sort of mental break and who was threatening to kill himself while brandishing two large knives. The investigation of the shooting, which occurred in August 2010, was just completed. The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.

http://www.brantford.com/news.cfm?pa...articleId=9652


Being that a commenter on one of the earlier articles talked about "going to that barn until being chased by a man with an axe" (I'm paraphrasing here), I have to wonder what all was going on at that barn. Was this man, EJ, involved with the barn in some way?

The address of the abandoned farm is 347 Lynden Road. I did see the address in one of the newspaper articles when the search was underway by LE. I took a look and it appears that this property has been in the same family since the 1950's. It is registered in part as being an estate. I would say that the long time owners passed away & it was left to a family member. It states that it is a 'farm without residence'. There would have been an old farmhouse at one time. I'm sure it is abandoned. The photos of the search showed pretty derelict looking buildings. I'm guessing that the owner(s) have just let it go as it may be a site for development down the road. There looks to be quite a bit of development not far from it. Also this farm would not be far from AG's property.

[LilyMacBloom]

snipped by me. I thought PK lived in Brantford ?? maybe I'm wrong. I 411 and don't find any listing for a P in Ancaster area. Which is not to say he couldn't have given the guy a lift on his way to AG's

Originally Posted by Missizzy

I was just looking at the map at the following site:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...-audrey-gleave



Being that Ms. Gleave's handyman lives within a few blocks of that location, I wonder if he ever picked up that man when he was out walking. That might have been a way for the transient man to have gotten closer to Ms. Gleave's property. I'd wondered why he would seek out a house 5 miles away, if he was on foot.

[dairydog]

Originally Posted by LilyMacBloom

snipped by me. I thought PK lived in Brantford ?? maybe I'm wrong. I 411 and don't find any listing for a P in Ancaster area. Which is not to say he couldn't have given the guy a lift on his way to AG's

There is a Brantford address for a PK so I'm pretty sure this would be the right one. It's not far from this address to Lynden Road & therefore Indian Trail.

[Missizzy]

Thank you, dairydog, but I'm still confused. Ms. Gleave's address was 3401 Indian Trail, Lynden and the barn is at 347 Lynden Rd. Googlemaps shows those two addresses to be 4 miles or 6.3 km apart. Am I incorrect? Maybe I'm not putting in the correct address. Going by the map provided at here:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...-audrey-gleave

it looks as if the barn is near the cut off for Garden Ave. and Ms. Gleave's property is just before Indian Trail dead-ends into another section of Lynden Rd. I live out in the country and our roads do the same thing--very confusing.

To my mind, that would be quite a hike for a guy who was walking. It is a straight shot, though, and I suppose someone from the barn could have hitched a ride. Is there bus service in that area?

I also noticed a comment that I'd missed in an earlier article:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...ured-for-clues

"....BV, who lives in the area, used to skate on the pond on Gleave's property growing up...."

I wonder if Ms. Gleave continued to allow children and teens to skate on her pond regularly or if she hosted students at her house. She seemed so private, that statement kind of surprised me. Maybe the privacy is a more recent development.


A question: Why is Ms. Gleave referred to as a woman from Ancaster when her address comes up as in Lynden? Maybe that explains things.

[LilyMacBloom]

snipped by me:

It would be interesting to find out if there is any commonality with regard to the 3 cases. Perhaps the Orangeville and Mono cases are connected but I have a feeling that Ancaster may be too far.[/quote]

ITA with the above. Right up until the "too far away" . Distance is all relative. Victoria Stafford was driven from Woodstock to Fergus.

I think it all depends on where one's home base is, where they've lived in the past, worked, took holidays, gone to school, have family etc etc. The list is endless. When I worked my job took me all over the place, farthest being Ottawa.

If you are in a union, you can be commuting all over the place just to work. (not that I'm a union worker)

I'm wondering if the connection may have something to do with the medical profession. SV a nurse, (and off hand I forget where all she worked) AG and the poor lady from Mono may have had to see a specialist or day surgery and perp works there, thus having access to all personal information and also could strike up a bit of a conversation.

I know, don't tell me, I have an over active imagination.

[dairydog]

Originally Posted by Missizzy

Thank you, dairydog, but I'm still confused. Ms. Gleave's address was 3401 Indian Trail, Lynden and the barn is at 347 Lynden Rd. Googlemaps shows those two addresses to be 4 miles or 6.3 km apart. Am I incorrect? Maybe I'm not putting in the correct address. Going by the map provided at here:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...-audrey-gleave

it looks as if the barn is near the cut off for Garden Ave. and Ms. Gleave's property is just before Indian Trail dead-ends into another section of Lynden Rd. I live out in the country and our roads do the same thing--very confusing.

To my mind, that would be quite a hike for a guy who was walking. It is a straight shot, though, and I suppose someone from the barn could have hitched a ride. Is there bus service in that area?

I also noticed a comment that I'd missed in an earlier article:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...ured-for-clues

"....BV, who lives in the area, used to skate on the pond on Gleave's property growing up...."

I wonder if Ms. Gleave continued to allow children and teens to skate on her pond regularly or if she hosted students at her house. She seemed so private, that statement kind of surprised me. Maybe the privacy is a more recent development.


A question: Why is Ms. Gleave referred to as a woman from Ancaster when her address comes up as in Lynden? Maybe that explains things.

You're right Missizzy in that it does appear to be about 4 miles from the farm to AG's property. It would indeed be a good hike especially now when it's pretty cold. It may turn out that the abandoned outbuildings play no role in this at all.

[Missizzy]

Lily--You bring up a valid point. It's been mentioned that Ms. Gleave had problems with her knees and that's why she gave up golf. I wonder if she received some sort of home health care visits. For some reason, that doesn't sound like her but if she was in pain, that could change things. I doubt she was one to complain, given what I've read about her.

My guess is that she relied on her handyman to take care of things around the house and her friends for companionship. I'm starting to wonder if the shepherds had gotten too much for her. She might have been seeking some sort of sedative for them. I've read that she used a flyswatter to control them but I have a hard time believing that that would keep spirited shepherds in line unless they had been well trained.

[Missizzy]

From dotr's link concerning profiling serial killers (if this was a serial killing):

http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/r...=362&Itemid=52

25-35 years of age
white males (85%) (there have been very few documented cases of female serial killers)
kill same type of victim in same way
charming/likable
possibility of physical deformities (i.e. webbed feet)
average or above intelligence
abuse as child/dysfunctional childhood
psychopaths
few social attachments
interest in violent pornography, bondage equipment, detective magazines (83%)
keep records of offences (53%)
no arrest histories (57%)
history of some kind of head/brain injury
alcohol/drug abuse
mobile; travel frequently
follow crime story in media
like the publicity/notoriety
kill within their own race
may return to scene of the crime or burial
compulsive/obsessive (i.e. multiple showers a day)
keep souvenirs or body parts of victims
likely to have been interviewed by the police in the serial killings investigation
sadistic treatment towards animals as a child
play with/start fires as a child
work alone (about 25% of serial killers have a partner or group)

[LilyMacBloom]

Lynden to Woodstock as per google 47 mins.

CANADA Canada - Brenda Duncan, 57, Woodstock Ontario, 11 Jan 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

CANADA Canada - Brenda Duncan, 57, Woodstock Ontario, 11 Jan 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

[dotr]

http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/ar...th-threatening
McMaster student charged with threatening

A 17-year-old McMaster University student is facing a charge of uttering threats after leaving a note at campus Wednesday.

Hamilton police would not elaborate on the natures of the note or who it may have targeted, but say it was enough to generate concern from campus security and Hamilton police. It was left in public view.

Police reacted swiftly, because the campus is a populated area, said Sergeant Terri-Lynn Collings.

The 17-year-old was held for a bail hearing Thursday.

[LilyMacBloom]

If I read the comments section under the artlice correctly the threatening note was to do with the strike and student frustration.

Originally Posted by dotr

http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/ar...th-threatening
McMaster student charged with threatening

A 17-year-old McMaster University student is facing a charge of uttering threats after leaving a note at campus Wednesday.

Hamilton police would not elaborate on the natures of the note or who it may have targeted, but say it was enough to generate concern from campus security and Hamilton police. It was left in public view.

Police reacted swiftly, because the campus is a populated area, said Sergeant Terri-Lynn Collings.

The 17-year-old was held for a bail hearing Thursday.

[sillybilly]

I was thinking of Audrey's new Camaro, and that it is a vehicle that a young person might be pretty intrigued with. However, I would think if Audrey heard someone in her garage messing with that new car, she wouldn't have opened the garage door without her dogs beside her.

Thinking of Audrey's personal property, her real estate alone had to be worth quite a bit of money. Do we know who the beneficiaries of her Will are?

[Missizzy]

That's never been mentioned. Her dear friend, LV, is the executor and donations were requested for the SPCA. Her obituary made it clear that she has no family. The only two survivors mentioned are LV and her friend, PK.

Wouldn't that be fabulous if she left the property to the SPCA? That would be quite a legacy.

[Hazel]

While we wait for forensics results or any update on the investigation, I made a few screenshots from video clips for you to see Missizzy.

R a i n i n g


flower beds?

Not sure why the video shows this view - why is LE tape at that place? was Audrey's body found there?


These pics show LE collecting "items" ...

-- http://www.thespec.com/videozone/308661

-- http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/home/item/1624

[Missizzy]

You are so kind, Hazel, thank you. It's probably helpful for others to able to study them too. I'm not sure about the "flower beds". Being that there's a pond so close, those look like stalks of pond rushes. Not sure if they would stay standing during your winters but they do in ours. And the wooded area that is taped off seems to be quite dense. Someone could surely lurk there and observe.

I just started a very disturbing thread. It's about the "satanic thrill killing" of a 93 year old woman in Wisconsin. Stabbed repeatedly in her home. Very very sad and far more than what I would call dabbling. Murder, clear and simple, with satanism as a motive.

I still have my concerns about the cemetery being a gathering spot for such things. That's why I asked, upthread, if anyone knew if Ms. Gleave would call LE for something strange going on at the cemetery, if she'd run people off her self or if she'd leave them be. It's entirely possible that, if there were occasional gatherings there, someone had seen her sitting outside to smoke or letting the dogs out. Most people let their dogs out just before bedtime and that could have been a late hour. Not sure what kind of hours she kept.

Thanks again, Hazel.

[Valleyboy]

{{{Not sure why the video shows this view - why is LE tape at that place? was Audrey's body found there?}}}



Didn't LE say they founds items believed to be from Audrey's place in the woods.

They would have taped the area off where they found them.

[sillybilly]

Just putting it out there ...

Thinking of cemeteries, satanic activities, "homeless man" David L. S, and the rented barn ... then revisiting some Brantford weirdness from a couple of years ago re the David Lee Roth (Van Halen) imposter, David K of Kitchener/Cambridge area, also known as David P. Angel:

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/Art...true&e=1115734

FWIW, Blinkhorn was found not guilty be reason of insanity.

One comment stated recently was a person who claimed they used to go to "that barn" until they were chased with an axe. So, who goes to a purportedly abandoned barn and why?

David K's father (David Sr) and uncle Paul were owners/executives of an established company. Before David Sr died, he said he heard his son was in Chilliwack, BC. Subsequent info was that David Jr was trying to get back to Ontario. Don't know if he made it back, but his uncle Paul suffered a lengthy illness and died Dec 29 2010.

Might be a long shot, but better than no shot at all. There is still lots of sleuthing going on behind the curtain, but there sure are some interesting dots to follow.

[Missizzy]

Sillybilly--FWIW, that comment about "going to the barn until a guy chased them with an axe" (paraphrased) was posted following two articles concerning the search of the barn. It makes no sense to me as to why someone would go to a barn, which was abandoned (thus no animals), unless it was for some sort of illegal activity. Was it a place where kids hung out and drank or smoked pot? Was it a place where occult activity took place? A place to store stolen goods? Was it a place for midnight trysts? Why go there if an unstable man with an axe was known to be in residence?

And I have to wonder why someone would even implicate themselves and say that they used to go there.

Hmmm. I just checked and I don't see the comment now. This is snipped from my Post #69 on January 5th. I believe I posted it as soon as I saw it. This was from an article on thespec.com:


Posted by jessie2327:

"...this barn is a place i used to go until this man chased me with an axe...."

FWIW, looks like a number of comments (many quite rude) have been removed.



It's still here, though, posted on the 5th:

http://brantfordexpositor.ca/Article...aspx?e=2913418

by the same person. This is where the comment about the basement is.

[LilyMacBloom]

Keep up the great work you guys and gals, you're doing a great job of thinking outside the box and being creative, that's all we have at the moment. I hope forensics will provide results ASAP. I'm still working up a theory trying to prove/disprove that AG, Sonia, Shelley, Brenda's crimes are or are not related, regardless of distance. Which is all of about an hour driving distance. So far I've come up with maybe a commonality of McMaster alumni. Along with some other incidental stuff.

God bless all the victims and their families.

[Missizzy]

Tragic proof that this crime can be relatively random but check out the similarities with Ms. Gleave's death. I don't think we're supposed to "double post", so go to the thread here:

WI~"Satanic Thrill Killer", Austin Davis Sentenced for murder of 93 yr. old - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

WI~"Satanic Thrill Killer", Austin Davis Sentenced for murder of 93 yr. old - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

and read Posts #2 and 4. Quite eery, if you ask me.