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Old 01-04-2011, 03:32 PM
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Hi All, I am going to have to go with run away on this one based on what I heard on TV last night. I do not remember hearing anything from the friend's family, maybe I am wrong. But, if I were a 13 year old girl and my friend did not show up by 15 minutes when she was due at my house for a sleep over I would on phone be calling her or her house with ...... "where are you?" "when you gonna get here?" "Mom is making pizza..we are gonna watch a movie...hurry hurry etc". Now if no one seemed to miss her that night...I dont think she had plans to go to the friend's house. JMO and I am behind on any news...so I guess I better go read up.
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Nancy Grace brought that type of question up in her interview with Hailey's mom last night. She asked when was the last time anybody other than the bf saw Hailey. The last person other than the bf to see Hailey was the next door neighbor at noon. So there were 3 hours between then and when the bf said he arrived at the house at 3 pm and saw Hailey there.
Has LE confirmed and stated the neighbor saw her on the phone?
I would like to know when mother, brother or father last saw Hailey.
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For any locals is it felt that since mom and dad have both been polyed that would mean that step mom and mom's BF were as well?.. That would be the logical thought would be to get these 4 main ppl cleared so that LE could move on from there...

But no word on SM or BF passing? Just mom and dad passed? Strange that SM and BF are the two that raised my hinky meter{BF was immediate..as soon as I got to the point in the article that stated BF only one home when Hailey left the residence..well, my heart just sank.. and then was bothered by SM's odd change of story..upon first being asked she stated that yes, Hailey had come by that afternoon, and at some point later changed her statement to I cannot remember if I saw Hailey that afternoon or not..WTH?..new baby or not..still quite strange}
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I have questions about what she was last seen wearing:

She was last seen leaving her home on December 27, 2010. Hailey was last seen wearing, navy blue sweatpants, a short sleeve light colored t-shirt, flip flops
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US


flip flops and a t-shirt to walk five blocks to a friend's house???? In December???

I further wonder if the clothing description was provided by the boyfriend... as it has been reported that the mother was working a 12 hour day shift at the hospital. ((I would guess that Hailey was not up at that time of the morning... most 12 hour shifts go from 7am-7pm))... Did the brother see her that morning before he left? What time did the brother leave?

I checked the local weather as well for the area and it seems that the highs can be anywhere from the high forties to the low sixties... anyone know the weather for the day she went missing??? I am not buying the boyfriend's story that she went walking five blocks to a sleep over wearing only a tshirt, sweatpants, and flip flops.

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eta: I further note that the exact description of the earrings she was wearing was in the NCMEC flier. Red hoops. Don't ask me why because it is just a gut feeling I am having right now... but that skeeved me out.
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Maybe the BF has not taken a polygraph?
It would be good to know, just to move on from him, if possible. I hope locals understand why a lot of us are questioning him right now, we don't know him and we follow a lot of cases where the man in the picture is often a suspect. It is up to him to get himself cleared any way he can.
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I have questions about what she was last seen wearing:

She was last seen leaving her home on December 27, 2010. Hailey was last seen wearing, navy blue sweatpants, a short sleeve light colored t-shirt, flip flops
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US


flip flops and a t-shirt to walk five blocks to a friend's house???? In December???

I further wonder if the clothing description was provided by the boyfriend... as it has been reported that the mother was working a 12 hour day shift at the hospital. ((I would guess that Hailey was not up at that time of the morning... most 12 hour shifts go from 7am-7pm))... Did the brother see her that morning before he left? What time did the brother leave?

I checked the local weather as well for the area and it seems that the highs can be anywhere from the high forties to the low sixties... anyone know the weather for the day she went missing??? I am not buying the boyfriend's story that she went walking five blocks to a sleep over wearing only a tshirt, sweatpants, and flip flops.

MOO.
i live in colorado city it was really warm that monday the 27th. It was in the 60s. It got colder in the evening. It has been down in the teens some nights since then. Imo she would need more than a tshirt and flipflops to to be warm.
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Thanks, I know! lol

I have daughters, am a single mom..dad lives 1,000 miles away. I have a no dating policy in (from)my house... has worked well.
My BF who lives in his own home NEVER comes to my house when I am not home and if I need to get up and leave in the middle of dinner he gets up and leaves too.
Yeah I find it a little weird but mom does work 12hr shifts. Maybe the BF was just helping out since SM (stepmom) just had a baby.
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Maybe the BF has not taken a polygraph?
It would be good to know, just to move on from him, if possible. I hope locals understand why a lot of us are questioning him right now, we don't know him and we follow a lot of cases where the man in the picture is often a suspect. It is up to him to get himself cleared any way he can.
bbm and ITA and also add that he was the last to see her.... he is ground zero.

I also always keep Amber Dubois' step father in mind as he was innocent and considered a suspect for so very long. Bottom line is to keep all options open but also do not forget that "ground zero" either...

It is a tough line to walk.
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I have questions about what she was last seen wearing:

She was last seen leaving her home on December 27, 2010. Hailey was last seen wearing, navy blue sweatpants, a short sleeve light colored t-shirt, flip flops
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US


flip flops and a t-shirt to walk five blocks to a friend's house???? In December???

I further wonder if the clothing description was provided by the boyfriend... as it has been reported that the mother was working a 12 hour day shift at the hospital. ((I would guess that Hailey was not up at that time of the morning... most 12 hour shifts go from 7am-7pm))... Did the brother see her that morning before he left? What time did the brother leave?

I checked the local weather as well for the area and it seems that the highs can be anywhere from the high forties to the low sixties... anyone know the weather for the day she went missing??? I am not buying the boyfriend's story that she went walking five blocks to a sleep over wearing only a tshirt, sweatpants, and flip flops.

MOO.

eta: I further note that the exact description of the earrings she was wearing was in the NCMEC flier. Red hoops. Don't ask me why because it is just a gut feeling I am having right now... but that skeeved me out.
It was 58 degrees and dry around 3-4 pm that day.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:40 PM
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I've been guilty of jumping to conclusions in other cases and I do believe the boyfriend should be looked at very closely in this one but I always remember the case of Emily Johnson, a Denver special ed teacher who was murdered in her home in 1999. Her boyfriend had been recently been released from prison and had prior charges of attempted murder and felony menacing. He claimed he was asleep upstairs when Emily was murdered. Talk radio erupted with everybody calling him the killer but it eventually turned out that 3 teenagers had entered the house, killed Emily and stolen her car. Even though the boyfriend in that case looked like he was obviously the guy...he wasn't.

Obviously the last person to see the missing and RSO's are major possibilities but just in the last year or so we've seen:

RSO who was not registered where he was living - Chelsea King
SO who had never been caught so nobody knew about him - Somer Thompson
Fellow teen bent on murder - Elizabeth Olten
Stalker obsessed with muder - Mackenzie Cowell
etc...

THANK YOU. Somer's poor mom had stuff that was sleuthed, discussed, posted. It was an awful invasion of privacy into a mother's life (a mother who just lost her daughter) -- just because she had a different lifestyle than the rest of us.

As for Hailey's case, I do NOT feel that either parent is involved, and just as with Somer's mom and analyzing how she did or didn't act appropriately in front of the camera, people are talking about H's dad. And it bothers me a LOT. Who cares if he has on a coat or is looking down or to the left or whatever? This poor man's daughter is missing, he has been thrown into the public spotlight with media everywhere, he is heartbroken and probably sleep-deprived (baby AND missing daughter). I cannot even imagine.
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Hollye. back in post 552 shows 3 people standing together. middle one with coat and hood is the sd ? or dad.

In the pic i made ref too, thats not a culvert, its the trampolene, but another picture shows a fence on the left hand side. in post 577.
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http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328056
article on why AA not issued...

so... why don't they put out a missing and endangered child alert??????!
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I can find no criminal record or anything really sketchy on the boyfriend which is a plus.

Being the last one to see her is unfortunate, but someone is always the last one to see the missing person and therefore looked at. So that is neutral info for me.

Being the only one to hear the story about her staying the night with a friend, that turning out to be a lie, and no one seeing her afterwards is either suspicious or really really bad luck.

If she ran away or snuck off somewhere she shouldn't be the fact that she took nothing with her is a major concern. When I was of the age and propensity to lie about where I was going I made an alibi for when my mom called, I packed accordingly, and tried to sell the story in my 13 year old worldliness. None of that hear. Seems she left the door wide open for either parent to check on her by not telling either of them she was going.

If he is uninvolved, and I don't have an opinion one way or the other at the moment, I would hope he realizes he needs to clear himself both for self preservation and to get them seriously looking elsewhere.
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just food for thought... but the NCMEC poster says flip flops...

flier here says pink and white tennis shoes.. and also says she was last seen at one pm while other articles say three! http://www.findhaileydunn.com/index....&id=6&Itemid=4

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article on why AA not issued...

so... why don't they put out a missing and endangered child alert??????!

Just like someone did the funding and organizing for the Amber Alerts, this is probably an area that needs a project. Public education on how kids of this age are some of the most vulnerable because in the absence of clear evidence of abduction or violence precious time can lapse during the "she will be back, she is that age".

Of course LE has to manage resources and a lot of that is based on stats, which support many of them show up in a day on their own. But the public could organize something like the amber alerts that is based on social networking, and media contacts.
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i live in colorado city it was really warm that monday the 27th. It was in the 60s. It got colder in the evening. It has been down in the teens some nights since then. Imo she would need more than a tshirt and flipflops to to be warm.
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I would really like to know what the BF's work schedule was last Monday and if it was a "normal" day for him.
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Hollye. back in post 552 shows 3 people standing together. middle one with coat and hood is the sd ? or dad.

In the pic i made ref too, thats not a culvert, its the trampolene, but another picture shows a fence on the left hand side. in post 577.
I brought over the pics. It is (from left to right) an unknown woman, Hailey's father and, I assume, Hailey's father's girlfriend and the baby.

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Here are some photos of the immediate adults in Hailey's life...

Hailey's mother, B Ostrander, and mother's boyfriend, S Adkins


Hailey's father, C Dunn, and mother, B Ostrander


Unknown woman, Hailey's father, C Dunn, & presumably, father's girlfriend and infant daughter

Yes, there is a section of fence running along the front side of the house. I think maybe just to keep some of the privacey from the traffic on Chestnut, as I think that is a fairly major cut through.
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I have questions about what she was last seen wearing:

She was last seen leaving her home on December 27, 2010. Hailey was last seen wearing, navy blue sweatpants, a short sleeve light colored t-shirt, flip flops
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US


flip flops and a t-shirt to walk five blocks to a friend's house???? In December???

I further wonder if the clothing description was provided by the boyfriend... as it has been reported that the mother was working a 12 hour day shift at the hospital. ((I would guess that Hailey was not up at that time of the morning... most 12 hour shifts go from 7am-7pm))... Did the brother see her that morning before he left? What time did the brother leave?

I checked the local weather as well for the area and it seems that the highs can be anywhere from the high forties to the low sixties... anyone know the weather for the day she went missing??? I am not buying the boyfriend's story that she went walking five blocks to a sleep over wearing only a tshirt, sweatpants, and flip flops.

MOO.

eta: I further note that the exact description of the earrings she was wearing was in the NCMEC flier. Red hoops. Don't ask me why because it is just a gut feeling I am having right now... but that skeeved me out.
We live in Virginia and I can tell you that while it is not my preference, my stepdaughter wears flip flops year round. I hate that she does so becuase sometimes when she comes to our house and we want to go somewhere we have to find her a pair of appropriate shoes. So maybe Hailey preferred to wear flip flops. My SIL's kids, who live in TX, would run barefoot year round if you let them.
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I think we have a BINGO! If you were his girlfriend and if he flunked, would go around telling people, or would you keep it a secret?
I certainly wouldn't be doing an interview with him if he flunked a poly and my child was missing.
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Was the clothing maybe noticed by the neighbor who saw her outside on the phone during the noon hour?
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bbm and ITA and also add that he was the last to see her.... he is ground zero.

I also always keep Amber Dubois' step father in mind as he was innocent and considered a suspect for so very long. Bottom line is to keep all options open but also do not forget that "ground zero" either...

It is a tough line to walk.
Very fine line to walk beemer - I have so many picket marks on my ar3e on these cases because of not trying to judge one way or the other (keep sitting on that white picket fence). I do want the bf to clear a poly though. I don't think BO would have done the interview with bf if she knew he didn't pass the poly - maybe he hasn't had one done yet. Still on the fence but LE and Rangers need to start with the immediate and work out from there - hopefully they are doing this.
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I noticed something that I wanted to put out there.

Let me be very clear first.

I do not think that Hailey's mother Billie had anything to do with Hailey's disappearance, whatsoever
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I have noticed on Nancy especially, that she is saying things like:

"It wasn't rare for Hailey to walk a short distance during daylight."

"She wasn't allowed out after dark especially to walk..."

"No, she didn't have her own cell phone..."


The things like "she didn't take anything with her..." make sense. That was a one time event so it is past tense.


On the others I would say:

"It isn't rare for Hailey to walk a short distance..."

"She isn't allowed out after dark..."

"She doesn't have her own cell phone..."


Because those are not past tense if Hailey comes home safely, they will all still apply.


Again, I do NOT think this means that Billie has any guilty knowledge of her daughter's disappearance. There are other times when she uses present tense... "She's a wonderful girl. She has a little attitude sometimes, but not a bad kid."


What I am wondering is if she has a mother's intuition that is showing through without her intending for it to.

Many mothers say they knew immediately their child was gone, they could feel it. I wonder if Billie feels that way but is struggling to remain in denial until there is proof. The denial may be what is keeping her going, clinging to the hope that her intuition is wrong and Hailey will come home. But every once in a while she slips into the past tense because deep down it's what she believes... because she knows her daughter.

I see more than just exhausted in Billie's eyes and it breaks my heart. I do wonder what she believes deep down.


I'm probably just over analyzing... but I thought I'd put it out there before the past tense got brought up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html

http://kvmckaum.blogspot.com/2011/01...g-persons.html
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Do we know the story with the alleged phone call yet? LE must know if it happened and who she spoke with. Unless they can't figure out whose phone she used?
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