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Old 01-07-2011, 08:47 PM
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Question CA - Barbara Ann Rogers, murdered in Lakewood, 2005

Hi. I pretty much only post in the cooking section, but I always read about all the awesome cases you guy track and I'm constantly impressed with your brilliant ideas. (clap clap)
I have no idea where to post this, but my hometown has an unsolved murder that seems to have dead ended.

Barbara Ann Rogers
Missing August 16, 2005
Lakewood, California
Located Deceased Sept. 7, 2005
Pico Rivera, California
Positive ID - 2005


http://www.missingincalifornia.com/MemorialPage.html

Ms. Rogers was a beautiful, older, seemingly low-risk homicide victim in a town that has very little "serious" crime and I can't seem to find anything beyond the discovery of her body in Pico Rivera (about 20 min. away)
Can anyone tell if the investigation ever moved past the discovery?? I'm a much better cook than real-life Nancy Drew girl but this case has always bothered me.
Thanks in advance for anything you'all can find out.
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Found this article. Maybe this thread should be in the Missing/Located forums on WS.

Shocking Discovery

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What's so weird is this is a family-home neighborhood, and I can't imagine this woman going off willingly with a stranger. We've only had 2 unsolved cases that I'm aware of. The other being a hit & run accident that killed a young man crossing the street on one of our main roads. Very sad as well. http://articles.latimes.com/2004/apr/16/local/me-hit16

I have never understood how the loved ones of victims of unsolved crimes get thru the day. They all have my utmost respect and prayers.
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Here's an article when her body was found...

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher...458&isRss=true

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Rogers, 60, was last seen at 9:30 p.m. Aug. 15 at the Lakewood home she had lived in since 1977. A few days after that, investigators found both of her cars in the garage, the television on and ceiling fan running during a search of her home.

Her keys, wallet and identification card were also left behind, and police found a screen in a back window of the home popped out, said Sgt. Richard Garcia of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

For nearly a month, friends and neighbors posted missing-persons fliers and held candlelight vigils as they anxiously awaited any sign that she was safe. On Sept. 7, a homeless man found her body next to the San Gabriel River in Pico Rivera.

Detectives have not revealed how Rogers died, other than to say she was murdered and her body dumped in the riverbed. It's unclear if she was kidnapped from her home or lured by someone she knew, Garcia said.
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such a vivacious looking woman. Very sad. Not finding much out there abour her case.

Do you know much about her? Did she have family living there in town as well?
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It sounds like not much is known about the victim, but this should be brought up right away: The astrologers would always like to know the month, day, year, and location of the victim's birth if it can possibly be found out. Especially since there is a known date of disappearance and a known date of the discovery of the body. Maybe reviving the case here will jog some memories. Let's hope!
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Rob1977, if you have time and patience, you might compare some of the other people spotlighted on your link to see if there have been any similar cases in neighboring towns--an older (but attractive) woman disappearing and then being found murdered a short time later in similar terrain to where Barbara was found. The reason you might be a good person to look into this is that if Lakewood CA is your hometown, you might be in a better position than most of us to tell at a glace whether a similar case in another town is 30 miles away or 300 miles away. Your knowledge of the area might also help you to know whether other locations are similar or dissimilar to the area in which Barbara was found. I know ... if you are like most of us, time is precious!
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such a vivacious looking woman. Very sad. Not finding much out there abour her case.

Do you know much about her? Did she have family living there in town as well?
No, I didn't know her personally, but I was born in Iowa, and felt extra sad to see Barbara had also been a former Miss Iowa. She appears to have lived a full life and had a lot of living yet to do. So unfair.
I wonder if it's a lack of family persistence that has stopped this case in its tracks?
Any ideas my smarty friends??
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Rob1977, if you have time and patience, you might compare some of the other people spotlighted on your link to see if there have been any similar cases in neighboring towns--an older (but attractive) woman disappearing and then being found murdered a short time later in similar terrain to where Barbara was found. The reason you might be a good person to look into this is that if Lakewood CA is your hometown, you might be in a better position than most of us to tell at a glace whether a similar case in another town is 30 miles away or 300 miles away. Your knowledge of the area might also help you to know whether other locations are similar or dissimilar to the area in which Barbara was found. I know ... if you are like most of us, time is precious!

Dreamy, I will surely look into that.
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Although it says "riverbed" in the story, it is So. Cal. and in Aug/Sept our "riverbed" is more like this:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1771&bih=859
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Although it says "riverbed" in the story, it is So. Cal. and in Aug/Sept our "riverbed" is more like this:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1771&bih=859

It would be knee deep at best, maybe ankle. And right off the freeway.
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Here's an article when her body was found...

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher...458&isRss=true

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Rogers, 60, was last seen at 9:30 p.m. Aug. 15 at the Lakewood home she had lived in since 1977. A few days after that, investigators found both of her cars in the garage, the television on and ceiling fan running during a search of her home.

Her keys, wallet and identification card were also left behind, and police found a screen in a back window of the home popped out, said Sgt. Richard Garcia of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

For nearly a month, friends and neighbors posted missing-persons fliers and held candlelight vigils as they anxiously awaited any sign that she was safe. On Sept. 7, a homeless man found her body next to the San Gabriel River in Pico Rivera.

Detectives have not revealed how Rogers died, other than to say she was murdered and her body dumped in the riverbed. It's unclear if she was kidnapped from her home or lured by someone she knew, Garcia said.
I suppose it's very unlikely that there's any connection whatsoever, but this case has a lot of similaries to the case of missing woman Nancy Moyer of Tenino WA, which has an extensive thread on the Missing Forum. I don't think Nancy or her body have ever been found ... but she disappeared from her home, leaving a TV on and a poured glass of wine as if Nancy left in a hurry. Since she lived alone, it seems likely she was missing a couple of days before anyone realized she was gone.

It should probably be explored whether the dismembered body in the bags near where Barbara's body was discovered was ever identified. Good find, bogeygal.
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The thing of it is, having been a beauty queen, a career woman, self-suporting, a member of a modern church, and a CA resident, this is not a woman who was "born yesterday" as they say, and she doesn't seem like the kind of woman who would fall for a scam or fall under the spell of some Svengali. I think that if there had been any blood evidence around her home or signs of a struggle or any evidence at all, it would have been reported. So it seems likely that she left willingly with someone she knew--or was going about her business away from home when someone took her by surprise. I suppose even sophisticated, self-sufficient women sometimes have friends or love interests who are not what they appear to be.

Something stickes in my craw about her having last been seen at 9:30 in the evening. Most working women I know are home for the night by that time. I can't see her leaving after 9:30 pm to meet someone, for example, or run out to grocery shop, or go visiting. Of course, it's all kind of vague, because it's not really clear whether she actually disappeared that same night, or could have disappeared a day or two later.

As an older single woman myself, I sometimes pooh-pooh the idea that I should be accounting for myself to my relations ... but the more I read on this forum, the better idea that seems to be!

I will do some googling on this over the weekend, Rob1977. Thanks for posting.
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Thank you for your interest in this case.
I haven't read that B.R. had any children of her own, so I think it's extra special that WS members look into this. Maybe there is no one to pursue this on her behalf, you know?

I agree that after a lengthy career in the travel industry she would definitely be a safety-saavy woman and not easily lured off by a stranger. It breaks my heart to think of how her last minutes/hours/hopefully not days were spent.
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No, I didn't know her personally, but I was born in Iowa, and felt extra sad to see Barbara had also been a former Miss Iowa. She appears to have lived a full life and had a lot of living yet to do. So unfair.
I wonder if it's a lack of family persistence that has stopped this case in its tracks?
Any ideas my smarty friends??
They say that the squeaky wheels get the oil, and that may be the case here. If her family didn't heckle law enforcement and keep pushing for help, the case may have slipped into the cold case territory without anyone going to much effort. It is hard to say what resources a local police force may or may not have had back in the time of her disappearance.

As I just posted above, I'm an older single woman on my own too, and a recent health crisis forced me to get closer to my extended family than I ever really wanted to be. What I am learning is that a family--which is mainly based on couples and children--doesn't really know what to do with or about a single woman in their midst. It's not anyone's fault. It doesn't mean there's anything bad or negligent about the extended family members. It's just that all the relations are in the swim of their marriages and the raising of their kids ... and now here's this single woman. If she has never been married or had children, people don't feel she'll want to discuss recipes and diapers and school politics, so people just don't know how to relate to her.

Most women I know of who have been single most of the their adult lives develop a circle of other single friends. This mostly consists of other women, but can include "boyfriends," gay friends, and formerly married people who have never reconnected with a new partner. The single, childless woman may date, live with gentleman either platonically or romantically, or be happier in not sharing a home with anyone else. With the exception of lesbians and sisters who are both single, I don't know of too many single women who enjoy living with another woman.

I do think single childless women can be at higher risk of being taken advantage of by boyfriends and friends of either sex who are looking for someone to take advantage of. I think many of us in this situation are fiercely proud and would deny to the hilt that we are vulnerable to being charmed or swindled ... and yet there are days when life is scary, the house is just too darned quiet, memories fill the air like heckling ghosts, and the single woman can become more vulnerable for a time to charmers and abusers. Women like me sometimes make matters worse by stubbornly becoming secretive and hyper-independent, suspicious of others, and prone to putting walls up between ourselves and others who appear to be pitying us. Unwittingly, we are so busy fending off "insults and abuse" from those who care the most about us while assuming our devout church friends and fascinating "kindrid spirits" are fine people. Such are a few of the unfortunate truths I've seen unfolding in my own life!

None of this is evidence that we can apply to Barbara's case, of course. I'm just thinking aloud, trying to get a background in mind of how an accomplished woman like Barbara might have attracted or run into someone who got the upper hand and did this to her.

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for sure!

Dreamy, thank you for your honest, heartfelt input. We don't know unless we're in a similar situation, for sure.
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This link goes to a kind of "crime clearinghouse" that describes Barbara's case with some slight differences. The chief one: it cites her cause of death as unknown and doesn't specifically say she was murdered.

http://www.lbth.org/ncma/gallery/ncm...hp?A200503320S

ETA: Have just started googling and am curious about the territory. Since the above link suggests that cause of death is unknown, I want to ask Rob1977 whether it's possible Barbara visited this river area by herself, fell in, and drowned. I think a drowning could have been detected at autopsy and would have been reported in the media ... but in the interest of covering all bases, I'm just wondering if this "basin" could have been the site of a drowning? TIA

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The blurb about Barbara is near the bottom of this page, so you have to scroll down a long way before you find the part that pertains to her. This seems to be some guy creating his own online newsletter. His interest in Barbara's case is that the news stories kept harping on her having been a beauty queen at one time. There are some pictures of Barbara taken around the time that she had won her title, and a note friend a friend agreeing there had been too much emphasis on the beauty queen thing.

http://www.ronfineman.com/subscribers/051230.asp
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Evidently around the time of Barbara's disappearance, her friends did hold vigils and candlelight cermonies. After her body was found, the death was investigated as a homicide and a reward for information was offered.

http://www.lbreport.com/news/dec05/rogers4.htm
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A 2005 Websleuths thread about the body found in garbage bags (not Barbara) a short distance from where Barbara was found in the Pico Rivera area.

I'm wondering if there is more about Barbara and/or the other Pico Rivera body scattered around elsewhere on this forum. It might pay to try a few searches on this site!

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This article tells that the body in the river bed has been ID'd as Barbara:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11028114.html
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An LA Co Coronor's blurb asking for help to ID the victim of dismemberment, partially found at Pico Rivera, and partially in LA. They cite the victim as female between 25-45 years of age. To me, this is close enough to the same ballpark as Barbara's age, and indicates there's at least a possibility that the two cases are connected.

I will say, though, in combing through a lot of old newspaper stories, it seems that this riverbed area is a magnet for people who want to dump bodies. In the 2000's, it seems quite a few bodies were found in that area ... though not all were beautiful women.

Rob1977, I do you know approximately how much distance lies between Barbara's home and the riverbed where she was found? I'm trying to figure out how unlikely it is that she'd end up in the riverbed area.

http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/htm/uipde...num=2005-07472
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This is similar to the link upthread that indicates a reward fund was started, but this version seems to have been orgininally published in 2005 and then reprinted in 2010 ... If I understand it correctly. It seems, then, this could be a cold case that LE revisits from time to time? And that can only be good news.

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher...458&isRss=true

This version tells how Barbara's home was checked in mid August. Her cars were in the garage, her keys, wallet, Id were found in the home. The ceiling fan was running, the TV was on, and a screen in the back of the house had been popped out. This is similar to what I've read elsewhere, but with a little more detail--and it suggests to me that Barbara was surprised by an intruder/s lurking in her home and forced to go with him/them. Had she left voluntarily, I don't think she would have left her wallet, keys, ID ... if it was warm enough to be running the ceiling fan (mid August in CA, probably hot), I don't think she'd leave the TV running.

It doesn't say that the house was ransacked or that the wallet had been rifled. It doesn't indicate that big items were missing. The first LE on the scene could probably not tell on first glance whether anything was missing--that would have to involve someone who knew her coming into the home to attempt an inventory.

If the abductor was a friend or lover, they probably would have knocked and been let in by Barbara, with the trouble starting after entry. Unless this was a former friend or lover, or possibly a stalker--someone she distrusted or had fallen out with and would not voluntarily let in.

It's possible that robbery was the motive, it's possible that money was taken from her wallet and the articles are just not saying so--but these don't seem likely scenarios to me. I'm thinking--

1) A stalker or angry former boyfriend.

2) A wrongdoer who'd been found out by Barbara who was concerned she would report the crime ... something like embezzlement, fraud ... a seemingly respectable person whom she caught out.

3) A psychopath who happened to be skulking through backyards trying windows and Barbara's just happened to be the one in which he could poke out a screen, and thus she became the chosen victim.

If the killer is someone she caught out, then I'd expect that sooner or later the wrongdoer would have been found out. Someone doing a crime like embezzlement or fraud isn't going to go on getting away with it for 5 years ... sooner or later victims are going to come foreward.

If it was a psychopath who took advantage of an opportunity in finding he could get through her window, then there would be other vicitms. It seems to me in the articles I've read so far, this Pico Riveria area seems to be a bit "high crime," but some of the crimes mentioned have related to gang activity and drug trafficking. It doesn't seem like anything like that would lead to Barbara.

Right now I'm learning toward a stalker/disgruntled boyfriend.

Will try to search some more tomorrow. 'Nite all.
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Here is the thing that bothers me. Why was she dismembered? If it was just something random like a break in or robbery or whatever, why take the time or put the effort into dismemberment?

I am thinking it was someone she knew. I am with you dreamyeye!!
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This link goes to a kind of "crime clearinghouse" that describes Barbara's case with some slight differences. The chief one: it cites her cause of death as unknown and doesn't specifically say she was murdered.

http://www.lbth.org/ncma/gallery/ncm...hp?A200503320S

ETA: Have just started googling and am curious about the territory. Since the above link suggests that cause of death is unknown, I want to ask Rob1977 whether it's possible Barbara visited this river area by herself, fell in, and drowned. I think a drowning could have been detected at autopsy and would have been reported in the media ... but in the interest of covering all bases, I'm just wondering if this "basin" could have been the site of a drowning? TIA

Dreamy, Pico Rivera is about 13 mi. http://classic.mapquest.com/maps?1c=...095802&2v=CITY from Lakewood.
The "riverbed" is really dry in fall, it's literally ankle deep that time of year.
It not the kind of place you'd go for a walk when we have "bike trails" in Lakewood at the ocean that run for miles and miles.
I don't think B.R. went there of her own free will.
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