UK - Joanna Yeates, Clifton, Bristol, 17 December 2010 - #4

wfgodot · #1 01-10-2011, 06:48 PM

And so it goes to Thread # 4, the case of Joanna Yeates, 25, a landscape architect, found dead on Longwood Lane, Flailand, North Somerset, after having gone missing from her home on Canynge Road, Clifton, Bristol.

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Terrific discussion and sleuthing so far, and welcome to those new to the case. Excellent links to information from media abound on Threads #1, #2 and #3; familiarizing yourself with the case will enhance your understanding of the discussion on this, its fourth thread.

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wfgodot · #2 01-10-2011, 06:52 PM

Here's teabreid's post, brought over from the end of Thread #3:

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Originally Posted by teabreid

My theory is that she went straight home after leaving Waitrose. Almost at once she made contact with someone she knew (probably waiting for her at the flat, either inside or out, depending who it was, i.e whether they had a key}, she tells them to make themselves at home while she nips down to the local shops for food and drink. She goes back to the flat 10 minutes later, then some conflict arises, and she is strangled.

But just a theory.

As well as [b]mikeymot's:

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Maybe....just ANOTHER theory...she called in on CAG with pizza and cider...they ate there (but he doesn't want to get involved in the investigation) maybe had a couple of glasses of wine and a good chat catching up on old times....then J/Y left, early hours of the morning...with the two small bottles of cider still in her bag....got home and either someone was waiting for her (this could be 4/5/6 a.m.) or she disturbed something that was going on...maybe in her flat? But at least this would explain the missing pizza....she never took it back to the flat at all.

Luna15 · #3 01-10-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wfgodot

Here's teabreid's post, brought over from #3:

As well as mikeymot's:

I think the latest Mail article could fit in with this

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Destroyer · #4 01-10-2011, 07:05 PM

Back to where RS lives, according to a post in one of the earlier threads somebody believed she was studying at the University of Swansea, & coincidently the date for the end of term was ?? yes you got it 17th December 2010 !!! The same date the Joanna Yeates murder mystery began, or so we are led to believe it did by the LE.

However, it seems as though she was either travelling back to Ampfield, Southampton or already back there ??
I would of thought Rebecca Scott would also of been friends with CAG , but there is no way of being able to confirm this.

wfgodot · #5 01-10-2011, 07:07 PM

From last thread and Slewth, at #464:

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What might be useful, or at least keep things fresh at this stage, would be a snapshot of members' views (one line answers only) on such questions as:

1. Who did it?
2. What was the motive?
3. What was the time of death?
4. What happened to the pizza?
5. When was the body was dumped?

It would be interesting to see the extent of agreement - or disagreement!

One should use initials or other indicators ("bf" etc.) regarding those who haven't been identified in media as being suspects; so far, the only one so-named is Christopher Jefferies.

MrZhivago · #6 01-10-2011, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

Here's teabreid's post, brought over from the end of Thread #3:

As well as mikeymot's's:

Thing is, we now know that CAG was at a work do, which changes things as he'll doubtless have an alibi. Interesting that she walks past. Since they've been in touch on Facebook and by email, and given the text starts "Where are you?" [rather than "What are you up to?" or whatever], she probably knows that he's somewhere nearby.
As I said the other day, I don't think he's directly involved. But as I also said, he may be involved indirectly by making somebody rather cross.

Destroyer · #7 01-10-2011, 07:12 PM

1 - GR
2 - Trust Issues/Jealousy
3 - Early Hours of 18th Dec
4 - GR Took Pizza Back To Brothers To Eat For Breakfast
5 - Sunday Evening On Return/Concealed In Car Boot

wfgodot · #8 01-10-2011, 07:13 PM

The Mirror's desperately trying to keep this in the news; here's their latest:

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Jo Yeates’s killer may have had a secret crush on her and flipped out when his advances were snubbed, detectives believe.

They are convinced the 25-year-old was strangled by someone she knew and are eager to find out whether a male friend or colleague ever mentioned fancying her.

Investigators reckon someone may have become secretly obsessed with her – and Jo may not have taken them seriously.

It is possible he made an embarrassing pass, was rejected and then strangled Jo in a panic.

Officers will now quiz all her male friends again in the hope they might recall hearing something which might at first have sounded perfectly innocent.

Many of them have not been spoken to by police since the landscape architect first went missing before Christmas.

the rest of it is at
http://www.mirror.co.uk/2011/01/11/d...5875-22840287/

Luna15 · #9 01-10-2011, 07:13 PM

1. Who did it? BF

2. What was the motive? ANGER OVER TEXT

3. What was the time of death? @9PM

4. What happened to the pizza? DISCARDED ON WAY/IN SHEFFIELD

5. When was the body was dumped? @11PM (ON WAY TO SHEFFIELD)

Firefly75 · #10 01-10-2011, 07:14 PM

17th was the last day of term, but lectures and seminars would still be on (unless cancelled because of the weather). Perhaps she was still in Swansea.

wfgodot · #11 01-10-2011, 07:17 PM

(Please don't groan, they apparently haven't cleared him yet.)

1. CJ, with help from another person, one who was questioned.
2. Being caught in a compromising position, i.e., in Jo's apartment.
3. After Jo returned home on 17 December.
4. I'm looking at you, Bernard the Cat! (Not really; don't know.)
5. 20 December, before the second snowfall.

Destroyer · #12 01-10-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Destroyer

1 - GR
2 - Trust Issues/Jealousy
3 - Early Hours of 18th Dec
4 - GR Took Pizza Back To Brothers To Eat For Breakfast
5 - Sunday Evening On Return/Concealed In Car Boot

Ok, i'm going with the theory GR took the body with him in his boot as he didnt have time to mess about, Joanna simply returned home cracked open a bottle & the rest is history - he had to dump the body on his return, perhaps his brother helped him with this ?? He then returned to the flat to cleanse the murder scene & made it look like she had just vanished ?? He took 4 hours to do this.

What do you reckon ??

Phillb · #13 01-10-2011, 07:24 PM

Here's a photo inside Jo's architect office.
http://www.bdp.com/en/Studios/UK/Bristol/

It's a pity there aren't more people in shot to try suss out who is who.

liz b. · #14 01-10-2011, 07:26 PM

1. Who did it ? A young male stranger. Unknown to Jo,but who had been watching her. Who either lived or worked close to the flat.

2. What was the motive ? Rape. But,something stopped him from sexually assaulting Jo. Possibly he became angry and frustrated, and killed her.

3. Time of death ? On the evening of 12/17.

4. What happened to the pizza ? The killer took the pizza because he planned on eating it later.

5. When was the dump ? A day or so before she was found. Blowing snow covered her body, and finally also revealed it..

All JMO

wfgodot · #15 01-10-2011, 07:26 PM

Daily Express has nothing new, hoping to survive another day on the pizza label & letter, announcing it's "undergoing tests." Still, not a bad article summarizing recent events, CAG = Matthew Wood, DNA testing of Facebook friends, etc. etc.:

JOANNA YEATES MURDER: POLICE TEST PIZZA LABEL SENT TO PUB

Myserty64 · #16 01-10-2011, 07:27 PM

Can anyone help with privacy laws in the UK relating to asking for DNA samples?

For example can a DNA swab be taken from the L/L or BF or is there red tape involved for getting permission for DNA swabs from these individuals?

mikeymot · #17 01-10-2011, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

The Mirror's desperately trying to keep this in the news; here's their latest:

the rest of it is at
http://www.mirror.co.uk/2011/01/11/d...5875-22840287/

Don't buy the 'secret admirer' theory....but def. someone she knew.

MMENJBRIT · #18 01-10-2011, 07:31 PM

1. Who did it? CJ/or C/J plus co-perp.

2. What was the motive? His own Gratificaion/thrill seeking/Power Trip.

3. What was the time of death? 9-9.20pm on 12-17-10

4. What happened to the pizza? Removed as evidence by C/J, thrown in a fireplace or some kind of incinerator. Ashes dumped in water/sewer etc.

5. When was the body was dumped? 12-24-10 5.30PM-6.30PM (Held in some kind of storage prior to that (rifle range, someone's car, a shed/allottment etc)
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mikeymot · #19 01-10-2011, 07:37 PM

1. G/R or PS and LP
2. Anger/Jelously/Panic
3. Between 9pm 17/12 - 7am 18/12
4. Eaten elsewhere..never taken home.
5. Between 8pm - 12am 20/12

Slewth · #20 01-10-2011, 07:38 PM

[quote=wfgodot;5991438]From last thread and Slewth, at #464:

The answers I've seen so far make fascinating reading. Here's my take on these questions:

1. Someone in her Bristol social circle, eg the rowing club, who knew about the Tuesday party
2. Unwelcome advances rejected after visiting her on spec; throttled her when trying to silence loud screams.
3. 9.00pm on Fri 17th
4. Pizza used by JY as a shield; taken by murderer to destroy DNA evidence thereon
5. Attempted dump in the quarry (conveniently outside the initial police search area) on the 19th, but aborted when disturbed by passing cars.

Luna15 · #21 01-10-2011, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeymot

Don't buy the 'secret admirer' theory....but def. someone she knew.

seems to me, that's all innuendo towards Matthew.

wfgodot · #22 01-10-2011, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slewth

The answers I've seen so far make fascinating reading.

Me too. I love this sort of thing.

wfgodot · #23 01-10-2011, 07:48 PM

I missed this, from Luna15's link posted on the last thread; it can't be copied and pasted but the second column is of interest. From Daily Mail, it is here:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...75_468x483.jpg

mikeymot · #24 01-10-2011, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luna15

seems to me, that's all innuendo towards Matthew.

No...'someone she knew' includes CAG..but also includes G/R PS and LP. When C/J was in custody...did have a theory that he DID see 3 people on the evening that J/Y went missing....but then found out that the other 2 were PS and LP.....they threatened him and so he tried to retract what he had said to police. Truly...do not have any difinitive proof against any of these people....just based on odd or unexplainable actions/timelines.

mikeymot · #25 01-10-2011, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfgodot

I missed this, from Luna15's link posted on the last thread; it can't be copied and pasted but the second column is of interest. From Daily Mail, it is here:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...75_468x483.jpg

Perhaps it just had a flat battery?...maybe the 'tools' seen on the front seat were a torch and jump leads? Assume the L/E will check AA/RAC records in case they were called out?