UK - Joanna Yeates, Clifton, Bristol, 17 December 2010 - #5

[gloriana]

Yes I was going to say must have been eaten before murder for the very reason imo it being an impulsive act and only a cold-bloodied run of the mill killer would have the stomach for it after.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eculation.html

"But when she woke three days later to a phone message from the police, Miss Scott ‘panicked’ and instinctively called Miss Yeates’s phone."

I'm not sure if this means RS spoke to police before or after ringing Jo's phone. GR was on the end of the line! This has been mentioned before - why would her phone still be in the hands of boyfriend when it should be with police?

If she did ring Jo's phone before getting back to police this is same as GR ringing parents before police. Is this normal? Just asking as not sure what I would do in same postion.

[Phillb]

Originally Posted by gloriana

Yes I was going to say must have been eaten before murder for the very reason imo it being an impulsive act and only a cold-bloodied run of the mill killer would have the stomach for it after.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eculation.html

"But when she woke three days later to a phone message from the police, Miss Scott ‘panicked’ and instinctively called Miss Yeates’s phone."

I'm not sure if this means RS spoke to police before or after ringing Jo's phone. GR was on the end of the line! This has been mentioned before - why would her phone still be in the hands of boyfriend when it should be with police?

If she did ring Jo's phone before getting back to police this is same as GR ringing parents before police. Is this normal? Just asking as not sure what I would do in same postion.

Just out of curiousity, and without having to trawl through masses of old posts/news articles.
How does Rebecca account for her movements that weekend?

Where does she state she is on the Friday night, Saturday, and Sunday?

Surely her last mobile call was traced to a signal well away from Bristol. I do trust the Police have checked this out?

[Phillb]

I've never given any thought that her friend could be involved before. I've totally dismissed the idea she might have been jealous of Greg being in Jo's life as pure nonsense. A woman murderer always seems harder to accept. It's not till I've watched the video that doubts creep in. One thought I have is why the video now?
The Police do use this tactic to flush out a perp. If anyone hasn't watched the video, I recommend they do.

YouTube

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The things that stand out in my mind particlarly are her statements at 04.27
she says ''obviously the news was on constantly'' to me her tone of voice when she says that is like.... it would drive a killer insane and rack them with guilt. They'd want it all to go away, not to be in every paper, and every news programme.

Then she says ''And then when her body was found'' the interviewer asks her ''is that how you found out'' Rebeacca for the first time only in the interview raises her voice, and is very quick to emphasise Yeah yeah through the telly, then her head goes down and a look of sickness in the stomach comes over her face. The way she is so quick and forceful about how she found out Jo was dead, that really stands out, her voice is very monotone up to that point. She shakes her head no at this point, a shake of the head like when you wish something would just go away and stop because it's agitating you.

To me that very much looks like a guilt ridden reaction.

*Interesting point to note when she says she's hardly slept since*
Not saying it is her, Just my musings, and a few points to consider.
Like I've said before 'Expect the unexpected' with this one.

[gloriana]

According to Sky News it seems she did ring Gregg first.

"The next phone call I got was around 4am on Monday December 20, it was a missed call from the police.

I instantly knew something was wrong so I called Jo's phone and Greg answered telling me what had happened. We all knew something was wrong but were in denial about the situation."

Thanks for video Phillb
I believe RS lives in Hampshire but have no idea where she was during that phone call. I haven't read anything re this.
I didn't get very good sound during RS video but her facial expressions said quite a bit. And again as someone remarked before about boyfriend's hat hiding his face so here we have RS's hair doing same thing more or less.
Could they be in collusion?


http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/brie...a_yeates/news/ few links here to refresh memories.


BTW Could anyone tell me how to get to Thread 5 straight away rather than trawling all through previous numbers? Thanks

[Phillb]

Add thread five to your favourite bookmarks gloriana (at the top of your toolbar)

If there are two perps involved they must be very sure of each other

[bax]

Hi everyone.

I have read your threads almost a week now, so I am quite familiar with your views.
Because this case has a huge reflection in media, it also gives a rise to much speculation.
To be honest, I dont belive GR nor RS are related to this case. They are just ordinary people who have lost the loved one and probably they dont know how to cope with media or the attention people are giving. I cant imagine myself speaking about a loss of a friend in normal way without hiding my face..its my personal sorrow and it makes vulnerable to show it to the whole world.
By the way..couple of days ago somebody posted Lorps twitter account, but cant find it right now. Remember I found there quite interesting post that might need to be analyzed.
Please, could somebody post that site again?

[Firefly75]

From thread 4, by Malaconotus

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"The window cleaner's comments are in a thread titled 44 Canynge Road on the Facebook discussion page. He speaks highly of all the residents. And he also confirms the exact layout."
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I bet if anyone decides to break in and rob the house, they're going to be really grateful! Talk about irresponsible online behaviour.

[Sweep the cat]

he video of RS is compelling in my mind. I do not believe she was in collusion with Greg but I do feel she could have a very good motive .

[Firefly75]

Originally Posted by Phillb

If there are two perps involved they must be very sure of each other

I agree strongly. This, and the lack of clues leads me to believe there was likely only one perp.


And, to my mind, Jo's best friend had nothing to do with the murder. I think she was distressed and upset about the way Jo disappeared and was found murdered. She was probably trying hard to hold it together and not cry for the video. I cried watching it, as I did watching her parents, and the news about Jo. Yes, my eye is near my bladder, as they say. But if I tried to hold it together, I'd probably come across like Jo's best friend. JMO

[Firefly75]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...-words-to-pal/

[Phillb]

I don't think Gregs involved at all. Infact i think he's actually the second victim in all this. Loosing a loved one, and now with all the figers of blame, and suspicion on him for added insult.

Never say never, but my thoughts are he's innocent.

[Firefly75]

I notice some of you have noticed we sometimes have quite a few guests reading. I often read without signing in and sign in just when I want to post.

We do, however, seem to have other people reading who post on different forums. I tried to get to our thread the quick way, so I typed "Websleuths Joanna Yeates" into the search engine. And this is what I got, among other things: a thread from a different forum where someone said we were way out of line. Of course I had a look.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/thr...Bristol/page20



Just in case anyone was wondering about guests.

[naturally suspicious]

definitely don't agree. i think rebecca was trying to hold it all together in order not to break down, note how she bites her lips constantly.
she will now have emerged as part of police plan.
just think how you would feel if you were to have to talk on national/international tv about your best friend. especially since she was the penultimate person contacted by jo....

same with boyfriend.
imagine how responsible you would feel...going away to see twins and enjoying a fun activity...skiing...whilst your girlfriend murdered...
also, how could you hold yourself up to parents , knowing that without your actions it is likely that their beloved daughter would still be alive.
you would have a huge rush of emotions...guilt at not having acted earlier,guilt at exposing jo to an ugly untimely death, death of all your hopes and plans for the future as well as huge natural grief at the one you loved being so destroyed in this way..
plus, people on websites slating you as a murderer....
i appeared on local television last year about an appeal to developers against building in a local beauty spot. because money involved...local councillors... and i was horrified to be met with critical,scathing comments online.
i now realise that is how the web is used destructively...and, believe me, it hurts, whatever you say to yourself...

[Firefly75]

Originally Posted by Phillb

I don't think Gregs involved at all. Infact i think he's actually the second victim in all this. Loosing a loved one, and now with all the figers of blame, and suspicion on him for added insult.

Never say never, but my thoughts are he's innocent.

I am inclined to agree. I believe it is standard procedure for the police to look at the family and spouse as suspects, which is sensible. It is even more standard procedure for the public to attack said people and cause a lot of unnecessary pain on top of what they are already suffering.

Given what we have been told, the boyfriend is innocent and has a genuine alibi.

[Phillb]

Originally Posted by Firefly75

I notice some of you have noticed we sometimes have quite a few guests reading. I often read without signing in and sign in just when I want to post.

We do, however, seem to have other people reading who post on different forums. I tried to get to our thread the quick way, so I typed "Websleuths Joanna Yeates" into the search engine. And this is what I got, among other things: a thread from a different forum where someone said we were way out of line. Of course I had a look.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/thr...Bristol/page20



Just in case anyone was wondering about guests.

Good link!
One of thier own posters retorts to his quote.

i've not looked at that site, but people are doing plenty of baseless speculation on here too and then slagging others off for doing it with more imagination than them. facepalm indeed,

Pot calling kettle black methinks!

[naturally suspicious]

Originally Posted by Firefly75

I notice some of you have noticed we sometimes have quite a few guests reading. I often read without signing in and sign in just when I want to post.

We do, however, seem to have other people reading who post on different forums. I tried to get to our thread the quick way, so I typed "Websleuths Joanna Yeates" into the search engine. And this is what I got, among other things: a thread from a different forum where someone said we were way out of line. Of course I had a look.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/thr...Bristol/page20



Just in case anyone was wondering about guests.

have just read a page or so of this forum, and not at all happy with the way correspondents address each other...

i commend websleuths because of its polite exchanges...excellent...and this forum does seem to have some extremely intelligent, literate members, expressing interesting, well-researched material.

[gloriana]

Originally Posted by Firefly75

And this is what I got, among other things: a thread from a different forum where someone said we were way out of line. Of course I had a look.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/thr...Bristol/page20

Oh! dear, bit of an aggressive rant - isn't this what we're here for, to chew over ideas and speculations?

[Phillb]

Originally Posted by naturally suspicious

have just read a page or so of this forum, and not at all happy with the way correspondents address each other...

i commend websleuths because of its polite exchanges...excellent...and this forum does seem to have some extremely intelligent, literate members, expressing interesting, well-researched material.

Yes agreed. It's a very well self policed forum is this, infact it's one of the politest and most sensible ones i've used. I've seen a few differencies of opinion here, but nothing at all to suggest any silly bickering, and attacking other posters like happens on most forums. Anyway. If we start slagging them off then were just stooping to their level. I suggest we ignore any of their negatives and carry on as we were.

This whole case has generated massive amounts of interest. Lots of forums have sprung up, everyone is talking about it. It's almost like an addictive game of nationwide online Cluedo...The Butler did it in the library with the candlestick holder.

But we have to remember it isn't a game, It's real peoples lives, and the one big looser in the game was poor Jo Yeates.

It's a very very sad thing to have happened

[gloriana]

Thanks Phillb for bookmark tip. Was saving browser link but didn't work.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by Phillb

Add thread five to your favourite bookmarks gloriana (at the top of your toolbar)

If there are two perps involved they must be very sure of each other

Maybe somebody gave an alibi 30 odd years ago and therefore birds of a feather are flocking together.

[angel10510]

Originally Posted by jigzy

Both RS and GR say that Jo was "useless" with her mobile phone

RS says that she too is "useless" with her phone

RS and GR say quite the same thing yet Jo's actions involving her phone on the 17th tell us that she uses her phone in a rather regular way like the rest of us - she called CAG (sorry forgot his initials), and she called and spoke to RS no problem - so that kind of contradicts RS and GR's tales of Jo's mobile phone habits (and indeed RS' story about her own mobile phone habits).

See, I don't think so at all. When I say I'm useless with a mobile, I really mean useless. And completely unpredictable. It doesn't matter if I've initiated texts or calls either. I mean this respectfully, and I know this sounds strange to those who are more consistent (whether Jo was or was not remains to be confirmed) or expect greater consistency, but it is perfectly intelligible to those who share similar communication patterns or habits.

[teabreid]

The Rebecca video interests me, but the version I've seen (as posted by Phillb at 28 above) has clearly been extensively edited. Has anyone got a link to an unedited version? And an accurate transcript? A lot of the newspaper "reporting" is not very accurate.

[TulipaNoir]

Originally Posted by bax

Hi everyone.

I have read your threads almost a week now, so I am quite familiar with your views.
Because this case has a huge reflection in media, it also gives a rise to much speculation.
To be honest, I dont belive GR nor RS are related to this case. They are just ordinary people who have lost the loved one and probably they dont know how to cope with media or the attention people are giving. I cant imagine myself speaking about a loss of a friend in normal way without hiding my face..its my personal sorrow and it makes vulnerable to show it to the whole world.
By the way..couple of days ago somebody posted Lorps twitter account, but cant find it right now. Remember I found there quite interesting post that might need to be analyzed.
Please, could somebody post that site again?

Not sure if I'm allowed to post it here, but you could google 'lorp' and 'twitter' and it'll come up.

There's something odd and almost prophetic on it, not sure if he tweeted it himself, because I'm not familiar with Twitter.

"If there's a q&a I'll ask @willself whether he ever fugged up a room containing a dying loved one
9:09 PM Feb 25th, 2010 via mobile web"

[TulipaNoir]

Originally Posted by teabreid

The Rebecca video interests me, but the version I've seen (as posted by Phillb at 28 above) has clearly been extensively edited. Has anyone got a link to an unedited version? And an accurate transcript? A lot of the newspaper "reporting" is not very accurate.

Think this link may have the full version:

http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk...2383&t=1&lid=1

[Phillb]

Todays Bristol Evening Post latest.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html