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Old 01-15-2011, 04:05 PM
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Yeah... we have a name for a Grandmother.

It is in the above story. Does that mean we can sleuth her?
Locals...Is RN the same grandmother that he is staying with?

I just knew his family was going to stand up and say the SA would "never do nuthing to that little girl, besides he was at werk"...to quote Ronald Cummings family!

I am wondering if SA & BD read here at WS (or some of the other True Crime Websites) and got pointers from the Haleigh Cummings case!!!

DEAR GOD PLEASE BRING HAILEY HOME!
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My advice is to make sure to contact a mod, explain to that mod who it is you want to sleuth and why and how that person is connected to this case.

(not all mods or admin will be familiar with this case and it's players and their involvement).

Wait for a response. Then post if given the permission.

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Two days prior to Hailey going missing. No, Hailey did not look happy. What I find strange is Billy's hand isn't even on her daughter. I know when I've been in pictures like this, I place my hand on my child's leg so as to include them. Does this make sense?
That totally makes sense. This picture, to me, is very telling as to the family dynamics and Hailey possibly feeling pushed aside/left out. IMO.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...41840975874435

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His uncle that lives around Abilene and is he the uncle SA said he saw that day?What happened with yesterday's search?

SA's mom's family (Taggart/Norwood) is large. My guess is that the uncle that said he saw Shawn that day is not the one quoted in the ABC News article (MT from Abilene), but possibly one that lives closer to the Big Spring/Odessa area. Could even be the uncle whose son is "stabwoundintercourse."
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"(When we foudn out MB and HD had never spent the night at each other's house and MB's mom had never seen BD until she saw her on NG.)"

This threw up a huge red flag for me. They had NEVER spent the night together. The moms had NEVER even met. Makes me wonder, if SA just couldn't remember any of her other friends' names, so he utilized a name he knew.
This brings up another red flag for me concerning BD. We now find out that HD had never ever spent the night at MB's before, yet when SA tells her that is where HD is, she never bothers to check it out. I could give her a pass if it was a routine thing and she knew things were okay. But if my kid left me a message that she was spending the night somewhere new, with people I didnt know, I would be on the phone or at their door to check things out.
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:11 PM
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Sorry I am confused on this issue of B's phone that she claimed she left at home for the kids to use....

was this the phone...B's phone....that S deleted the calls/call lists from...while in front of the LE....????.......or.......did he delete the call/call list.....from his OWN phone while in front of the LE???

thanks to anyone clearing this up for me......
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:12 PM
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Had a thought today. SA stated that he had gone to his mother's that day, right? Was there anything in the affadavits from her regarding him doing so and what time he arrived there? Does it match up with his story? Was she home that day while he was there? Sorry if this has already been discussed.
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I was just about to say the same thing! I work inner city and there is great signal there, but when im in the shop if i go out of reception towards the back of the shop my phone signal drops out. also near where my mum lives there is a little bit land which the road goes through which is maybe !/4 of a mile if not less, that is a no signal zone, we have a thing where if anyone is talking to someone on a phone hats in a car, and they are going through that bit its always a "captins pond! call me back in 5!" thing. HOWEVER! this area does not show up as a dead spot on the mobile coverage map for the carrier.

the other thing is has anyone read the full affadavit for "search of data" ? it has two pages regarding the media they want to search then repeats all the things in the original affadavits, but it says the following - SA's phone was pinging from the CCity verizon tower, Texas "from 6.35am to 6.56am with a break in usage until 9.48am thru 2.40pm where records indicate Adkins phone was in the area of big spring, texas<snip> which captured 11 phone calls between 9.48am and 2.40pm"

http://www.reporternews.com/photos/g...section_header

what does that mean? have they just worded it confusingly? it doesnt mean his phone was off or out of signal until 2.40pm does it? sorry, i might just be having a blonde moment
Break in usage is from 6:56am to 9:48am...but does break mean lost of towers to ping off or something worse...taking the battery out....Im not sure
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You are correct.....she doesn't COMMIT to actually SEEING her....just "dances" around the issue....plausible deny...
THANK YOU! That is exactly what I was trying to say!
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There were some really great posts last night. We talked about parental instincts. I don't post much, but I read every post you guys write, and again I am blown away by the wisdom and the compassion on this site. I don't know if this will help, but it might, so here goes.

My best friend was licensed in her field, made a great living and easily supported her 11-year old daughter and 14-year old son. She was married, but she and her husband couldn't live together because they fought all the time. The kids lived with her. It took me a couple of years to realize that she was, and had been for awhile, addicted to prescription pain pills. I had no idea. It was another year before things for her started to go downhill. She lost her license, started dating an alcoholic, moved into government housing and spent every dime she had chasing down pills from dealers, friends and family. Truant officers showed up at her house all the time because she never could get up to take her kids to school. Her son made it out eventually when he graduated HS. Her daughter didn't. She loved her mom, but she didn't love the addiction. I guess she felt that if she couldn't beat it, join it. She eventually dropped out of everything--cheerleading and then school altogether. She dated boys her mom never knew about, she had access to all of her mom's pills and liquor. She came and went as she pleased. The home was full of anger--all induced by alcohol and pills. My friend and her alcoholic boyfriend had violent fights. She stayed in hotels sometimes to hide from him with the kids. When she ran out of pills and couldn't get more quick enough, the withdrawals were unimaginable. She would be violently ill, in tremendous pain, and look 10 years older. When she finally got them, she would over-use and become catatonic. She made absolutely no sense when she spoke. She was so unaware of what was going on around her, there's no way she could account for what happened the night before.

Here's my point: I asked posters last night when their hinky meters went off. Mine went off when BD said she went into HD's room Monday morning to ease her mind. She didn't touch her to see if it was really her. I've seen my friend do that countless times. She had vague recollections of the night before, but was never really sure of anything. Her parents and I would get the late night calls begging for help until finally she retired and moved away with them. They enable her to this day.

What happened to HD could've happened to my friend's daughter at anytime. Her daughter also had things, like hoodies, that she never would have left behind if she had a choice. My friend would have said "all I know is she's not
in this house." It would have been the only thing she could say coherently that would have made sense to her.

Hope this helps some of you....again, for what it's worth.
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Or Cogdell Memorial Hospital 1700 Cogdell drive Snyder??
Both are close to each other and same name Cogdell maybe why the confusion ?
You are probably right. Thanks!
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:15 PM
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Adkins' relatives also came to his defense. His uncle, Matt Taggart, described his nephew as passive and gentle, saying he had "never even seen him get angry."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=12623354&page=3

I guess his uncle didn't see all the stuff we did!
Guess he wasnt at Hailey home in Feb 2010 when he made threats to kill Hailey and Billie
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Break in usage is from 6:56am to 9:48am...but does break mean lost of towers to ping off or something worse...taking the battery out....Im not sure
almost three hours / / /
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Guess he wasnt at Hailey home in Feb 2010 when he made threats to kill Hailey and Billie
Is this the same uncle whose son is buddies with the same interests as SA?
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Cogdell Memorial Hospital...
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This brings up another red flag for me concerning BD. We now find out that HD had never ever spent the night at MB's before, yet when SA tells her that is where HD is, she never bothers to check it out. I could give her a pass if it was a routine thing and she knew things were okay. But if my kid left me a message that she was spending the night somewhere new, with people I didnt know, I would be on the phone or at their door to check things out.
It makes me wonder if she had never spent the night there, how did SA know her name unless Haleigh told him. Just a thought to toss out there.
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IMO there is no call.
13 year old stuck at home with a cell phone and doesnt make any calls...
big red flag JMO
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13 year old stuck at home with a cell phone and doesnt make any calls...
big red flag JMO
Good point there...! LE is probably deducting that if no calls were made on Monday, then she was missing by then. It's not what calls WERE made but what calls WEREN'T made. Hmmm.
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Is this the same uncle whose son is buddies with the same interests as SA?
Bingo - same uncle whose son enjoys making videos with SA!
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I keep thinking did they follow Zahara's case and Matt Hoffman the monster in Ohio that hid the bodies in a tree.

I keep thinking that they need to check out hollow trees and root cellars. I just don't think they will find Hailey in a field or in dump. I think he would hide a body in more enclose place... knowing his hobby.

And for goodness sake I hope LE is working on warrants to search his family land.
I joined WS because of the Matt Hoffman case (as a local to there). I've thought about this too (looking in hollow trees). I don't think SA is as fit and in shape as Hoffman is (if you're reading this SA, that means you're out of shape for a 25 year old), who climbed that tree (with his tree climbing equipment) to get those bodies in that hollow tree.

But not all hollow trees are hollowed out that high up, so it is still possible .... especially since it was national news and very recent.
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This brings up another red flag for me concerning BD. We now find out that HD had never ever spent the night at MB's before, yet when SA tells her that is where HD is, she never bothers to check it out. I could give her a pass if it was a routine thing and she knew things were okay. But if my kid left me a message that she was spending the night somewhere new, with people I didnt know, I would be on the phone or at their door to check things out.
If this is true....that H NEVER spent the night at MB's....EVER....then B is caught in a lie...IF she claimed H occasionally spent the nights there..

She WOULD KNOW if H did.....

I am sure the LE are checking out H's friends...to get statements...if H stayed ANY overnights...and comparing it to B's statements..

Could these questions played a role on her failure of the poly's?????
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I posted this at the end of the other thread and wanted to bring it over...
Belimom, you are asking about where you read about the details of the phone pings (BDs phone).

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/images...Affidavits.PDF

Go to that big paragraph on page 3, that starts "According to ADKINS, he was fired...". Down at the bottom (of that paragraph), there are details about the other phone, starting with "Records and interviews of witnesses indicate...".

Hope that helps!
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Here's a question I have that perhaps someone has a theory about....

What would a person ....who had just abducted/harmed/killed a child....have a reason to go.....to his mom's house...of all places????

Could there be outbuildings on her property to hide the body???
Shower and change his clothes?
dispose of tools?....her clothes???

I have no idea...why......he would go...to his mom's....if he is guilty..

I have a suspicion...his mom KNOWS!!!!
Yes, perhaps she is one of the people that failed a polly and maybe the uncle too.
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:29 PM
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Right, I gather Hailey never had a phone to begin with. Which would make likely rape and abduction the night before.
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To all those who are already familiar with this pic, forgive me for posting it again..
I had never seen this picture in its entireity{i.e. the portion of just Hailey had been cropped and shown..with mom and SA cropped OUT)..

For me this picture clearly shows the dynamics of this family, IMO..
It's shocking and extremely saddening to me...
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