UK - Joanna Yeates, Clifton, Bristol, 17 December 2010 - #9

[Patticake]

Quotes from NUA prior to being taken in for questioning:


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ver-her-death/

Yesterday detectives hunting the killer spent much of the day quizzing neighbour Mr Tabak. Last week he told a reporter outside his home that everyone in the area was sad about Jo’s murder.

He added: “I wasn’t here on the night she went missing, I was away and I don’t know anyone who saw or heard anything.

“We are all very sad about it, and although I didn’t know Miss Yeates, I am deeply saddened by what *happened.”

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[Marc D.]

Originally Posted by equationgirl

Can't get much closer than the guy next door...

Yes, the guy same door.

[equationgirl]

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[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by saggymoon

does anyone here know why the maddie mccann case discussion was closed? i wasnt a member then so dont know

Admin or the WS owner pulled it due to repeated problems with posters after numerous warnings and it taking an extra ordinary amount of moderator time. Unfortunately that happens with cases when posters can't behave. None of the moderators or admin are paid, they all volunteer their time and when a case takes up too much time it unfortunately goes poof never to return.

Hope that helps!

[jigzy]

Does anyone know the answer to this:
If a person commits murder in the Uk then goes to Holland, could they avoid the consequences by staying there? I guess I'm asking would they be extradited?

[equationgirl]

Originally Posted by saggymoon

really? oh well

close friends, bf, girlfriends, relatives are all closer

Yes, they are, but I wasn't being literal, more...geographical...plus, all of those had been ruled out in this case (so far anyway).

[wfgodot]

Re: disappearing posts, one might be missing an entry after having fallen afoul of WS's 10% rule, i.e., only in the vicinity of 10% of an article, newspaper clipping, etc. etc. may be quoted, in order to conform with copyright standards.

[whiterum]

I cannot for the life of me understand how a man, the closest neighbour to Joanna, only a few steps from her front door was ruled out as a suspect so early on in the case. He must have had what seemed to be a watertight alibi or he would have been number one suspect. We never even heard of the man, only that foreign students lived in his flat and were away at the time. Now all of a sudden after all this time his name pops out of nowhere and he's charged with murder all within a week. Can't understand why CJ was so strongly considered a suspect and he wasn't.

[Luna15]

Originally Posted by saggymoon

its just a personal hunch but i dont think they have the right man-not helpful i know, just a hunch

i still think it was someone much closer to her

and there was I thinking I was just being stubborn as an ox..... I am reserving judgement until I hear if he is protesting his innocence.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by equationgirl

Can't get much closer than the guy next door...

Originally Posted by saggymoon

really? oh well

close friends, bf, girlfriends, relatives are all closer

mothers & fathers included.

[Curious Alice]

Originally Posted by Patticake

Quotes from NUA prior to being taken in for questioning:


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ver-her-death/




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He said "on the night she went missing" yet as far as we all knew it could be any time from approx 9pm on the 17th Jan, until the time that Greg arrived home - nothing was certain or confirmed.

[saggymoon]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Admin or the WS owner pulled it due to repeated problems with posters after numerous warnings and it taking an extra ordinary amount of moderator time. Unfortunately that happens with cases when posters can't behave. None of the moderators or admin are paid, they all volunteer their time and when a case takes up too much time it unfortunately goes poof never to return.

Hope that helps!

ok thanks thbough that case really needs to be discussed i dont know why its being prevented from doing so oh well

[otto]

Originally Posted by Curious Alice

I am not a legal minded person, but I know you can be charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter, however it depends on the circumstances of the crime and actions of the perpetrator.

I found details of this case which illustrates this. http://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/...n_Norton_fire/ however it's a completely different case, the guy didn't put his hands around someones neck and strangle the life out of them.

I think so too ... a person charged with murder can be convicted of lesser charges - per the list in the last link. I would expect that if he is convicted, regardless of sentence, he will then apply to be transferred to the Netherlands to be closer to family.

[Sarahlou]

Originally Posted by saggymoon

really? oh well

close friends, bf, girlfriends, relatives are all closer

They've been ruled out. A man has been charged for her murder. I think people should give her boyfriend and family a break now IMO.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by jigzy

Does anyone know the answer to this:
If a person commits murder in the Uk then goes to Holland, could they avoid the consequences by staying there? I guess I'm asking would they be extradited?

I would imagine that is EU law for them to be detained & escorted back to the UK, but dont quote me on that ??

I have already asked the question with no reply as to whether a Dutch national can serve a life sentence for murder in the UK or do they have to be returned to the Netherlands ??

[equationgirl]

From the wikipeadia section on extradition treaties:

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The usual extradition agreement safeguards relating to dual-criminality, the presence of prima facie evidence and the possibility of a fair trial have been waived by many European nations for a list of specified offences under the terms of the European Arrest Warrant. The warrant entered into force in eight European Union (EU) member-states on 1 January 2004, and is in force in all member-states since 22 April 2005.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Sarahlou

They've been ruled out. A man has been charged for her murder. I think people should give her boyfriend and family a break now IMO.

Yep, here here , i'll second that

[otto]

Originally Posted by jigzy

Does anyone know the answer to this:
If a person commits murder in the Uk then goes to Holland, could they avoid the consequences by staying there? I guess I'm asking would they be extradited?

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that if Tabak was in Eindhoven and charged with murder in Bristol, he would be transferred without much interference.

[Patticake]

Originally Posted by Curious Alice

He said "on the night she went missing" yet as far as we all knew it could be any time from approx 9pm on the 17th Jan, until the time that Greg arrived home - nothing was certain or confirmed.

Instead of just saying "thanks", I'll say that was an excellent observation.

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[saggymoon]

sarahlou because a man has been charged doesnt mean they have the right person you know?

[equationgirl]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I would imagine that is EU law for them to be detained & escorted back to the UK, but dont quote me on that ??

I have already asked the question with no reply as to whether a Dutch national can serve a life sentence for murder in the UK or do they have to be returned to the Netherlands ??

I have found a booklet entitled 'Foreign national prisoners' published by the HM Prison Service (http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/ad...onalprisoners/) so I would imagine a Dutch national would serve a sentence in the UK once convicted.

They can apply to serve their sentence in their home country though.

[saggymoon]

lets wait for the EVIDENCE

[Luna15]

Originally Posted by saggymoon

ok thanks thbough that case really needs to be discussed i dont know why its being prevented from doing so oh well

dont mean to veer OT, but just want to say quickly, I dont see any point in discussing it..... all the discussion in the world wont bring the perps to justice - they've got that well and truly covered...... promise wont say another word

[equationgirl]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Yep, here here , i'll second that

I'll third it - give them some space to grieve without any fingerpointing.

[otto]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I would imagine that is EU law for them to be detained & escorted back to the UK, but dont quote me on that ??

I have already asked the question with no reply as to whether a Dutch national can serve a life sentence for murder in the UK or do they have to be returned to the Netherlands ??

I know from following the van der Sloot case that he could request transfer from Peru to the Netherlands if there was a treaty in place. There is not one between Peru and the Netherlands at this time (still under review), but I would expect that as part of the EU, there would be a treaty in place between the UK and NL.