TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #44

[cluciano63]

Suspecting Billie of any part in Hailey's disappearance or knowing more than she is saying, is not coming from her demeanor, but from her own words and the changes to various statements that are almost constant. I do not believe she is being judged because she comes across a certain way and we would prefer/like to see her another way; her flat effect may add to the discomfort I know I feel when her statements are not consistent.

[grandmaj]

Do not personalize posts. If you disagree with the opinion you post about your opinion and how it differs. You do not attack a poster you argue the opinion.

[Tugela]

Originally Posted by Hippy Chick

czgtz,
Do u think BD is afraid of SA? Do you think she could be afraid for hers and DD's life. I know I would be afraid of him and his friends, maybe that is why her demnor is so strange and robot like. It seems to me she picks and chooses her words carefully. May also be why DD has been taken out of the house.

I don't think she is afraid of him. So far we have seen absolutely nothing to indicate that. It could be that she is afraid of what he might say, which is something quite different. It doesn't make sense, she has all the reason in the world to toss him to the curb and no one would think badly of it, but she doesn't. It is very odd.

I imagine that DD was removed because BD/SD are unfit parents more than anything else. Remember these kids were basically being allowed to roam at will with little or no supervision. Even if HD is found alive and well there is a very good chance that the same thing would happen to her.

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Originally Posted by czgtz

Billie did not try to say anything made her fail the poly. A lot of people speculated that the stress of finding out Shawn failed his might have caused her to fail hers. After she found out Shawn failed his, but before she took hers, LE asked her if she wanted to file an emergency TRO - she said yes, of course, because she didn't want him in her house if he failed the poly. Then she failed hers, and didn't know what to think. She didn't indicate deception on any question - LE explained that she failed because she went 'out of parameters', but not in response to a question (don't ask me).

I never asked her if she told Shawn herself to leave or if LE passed that message on to him for her. But he was gone when LE brought her back to her house.

I'm confused...

BBM

Told of Dean's statement that no results of passing or failure were pronounced, Billie Dunn twice reasserted her position: She was told there was "deception indicated."

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26401950/detail.html

BILLIE DUNN: Thanks for having us again. I don`t know. They had me very faithful (ph) in that test. We brought the polygraph up first. We asked for it, and they were told us -- they told us they were very confident in those tests. They -- I put a lot of confidence into those tests.

The first Friday they had it set up for us to take, we had taken Ativan the night before to go to sleep. They didn`t tell us we couldn`t have anxiety medicine. So when we were able to get it set up again -- Shawn had actually called them and asked them if he could come down and take it yet, and they said yes. They came, picked him up. He took his. I went in. They told me he failed it. I lost it, of course. I told them I had so much faith in that test.

Then they took me over to the courthouse. I took a polygraph test. I failed it, lost all faith in the test. A couple of other people failed it. One guy I do not know. One person took it three times, took it twice and failed it...

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html

She acknowledged failing the polygraph but said it was most disturbing that Adkins walked out of his test and that he failed it.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/201...gs-affadavits/

GRACE: OK. I want to go back to you being told that you were deceptive on your polygraph test.

BILLIE DUNN: OK.

GRACE: Had you taken any drugs or smoked pot before the polygraph test?

BILLIE DUNN: No. But they knew I had taken some pain medicine and antibiotics for a bad tooth. They told us not to take any anxiety medication. I didn`t know I was going to take the test that day.

GRACE: You know, that`s very well put. And the mom is saying that right before she went to take her poly, the police said well, your boyfriend just flunked. The police are saying no, that didn`t happen, but the word she used, Mark Smith, were that there had been -- excuse me, deception indicated.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../10/ng.01.html

BILLIE DUNN: As soon as I found out he failed the test, I told him I didn`t want him back at my house. And now I don`t know what to think anymore. I would just rather he stay there until she comes home or they find her and we clear this up.

GRACE: What was his response when you told him to get out?

BILLIE DUNN: He was very tearful, very tearful, and he said he would go.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html

[grandmaj]

I'm going to take my mod hat off for just one minute here. As a former Town Manager I know a little about the public records laws.

When a freedom of information request is made, the records can be redacted so far as how it may impede an ongoing criminal investigation. The Chief of Police in this case would be the keeper of the record for criminal records. Therefore he could redact a report, he could hold back a tape recording, and if a partial copy can be provided without it impeding the investigation he is required by law to provide a partial redacted record of the event. This well may have happened in this matter of the phone calls, any incident report by BD and any incident report by SA. or any witnesses including the children. We do not know what records LE has or doesn't have. We know only what was released under the Freedom of Information Act.

Also, under the Act, a keeper of the records is not required to provide anything other than what is requested although it is always better to give as much as you can for a particular matter rather than less. So long as it won't impede an ongoing legal matter or police investigation rather than deny a report you just give it if you know about it. If there is something in incident reports on this matter that they may want to use to prosecute any party, they are not going to release that document or tape recording at this time and have a legal right under the exemptions to withhold it.

If the local media is not used to this process, it is possible they requested the 911 tapes. Do we know if all of the tapes have been released? NO. Did they request a copy of the police incident reports? We do not know.

I'm a little hesitant to say we know everything about this incident in February based on what was released. I'm also pretty sure that there is a City Attorney working with LE to ensure their compliance is legal and above board. They are not going to lose this case because they are called on the carpet for failure to properly execute affidavits IMO.

Unfortunately we have reached a point in this investigation where news is going to be slow, things will be kept from the public and we won't have immediate answers.

I am open to the possibility that there is more that we haven't heard about the February call. And I would be shocked to have an affidavit filed by LE that misrepresented an event.

[sorrell skye]

Originally Posted by Tugela

The investigators that paragraph as it stands refers to are the original investigators though, not Sides, Gilly, and Bivins.

But, assuming for the sake of argument that the affidavit has been poorly crafted and it does in fact refer to Sides, Gilly, and Bivins, and given that we know from the original incident did NOT involve threats to HD (as clearly evidenced by the 911 recordings), then you would have to agree that Sides, Gilly, and Bivins were confused about the original event and that SA was also confused. Or more likely he didn't recall the exact words and events from a year ago other than that him and BD had a big fight, and agreed with Sides, Gilly, and Bivins on the assumption that they knew what they were talking about (which apparently they didn't).

When deciding if these threats were true or not, and just exactly who they were made against, then you need to look at what was said in the original 911 tapes and any police report that might have been made at the time, along with any statements SA and BD made at the time, not what was said at a meeting a year later.

I fail to see why this continues to be a point of discussion - we have all heard the 911 calls,wherein BD reported that SA made homicidal threats against her.

BD herself has admitted that her lover threatened to MURDER her.

Does it really matter whether or not those threats included CD or HD? The fact of the matter is: SA threatened to murder BD, and also either CD and/or HD. Apparently, SA has homicidal tendencies.

I will not be one to make excuses for him.

[Zoe Bogart]

Originally Posted by cluciano63

Suspecting Billie of any part in Hailey's disappearance or knowing more than she is saying, is not coming from her demeanor, but from her own words and the changes to various statements that are almost constant. I do not believe she is being judged because she comes across a certain way and we would prefer/like to see her another way; her flat effect may add to the discomfort I know I feel when her statements are not consistent.

I have to agree with this. Suspecting Billie in some way for me doesn't rest on her failed polygraph test or on her demeanor, mostly it's because of her evasive and inconsistent statements. She doesn't answer questions properly, she dances around with her off-the-wall remarks, and she keeps changing her story. Plus there's a lack of emotion and lack of urgency in her voice. Not to mention her wording, "Hailey isn't in the home". WTH? That's just bizarre.

The only time I've seen any REAL emotion from her is when she talks about her most unusual boyfriend. Very, very disturbing.

Even if she passed five polygraph exams and shed a million tears onscreen, if she were still skirting the questions and giving inconsistent answers, she'd be on MY suspect list - suspected as in "knowing something" or worse.

That's just the way it is.

[belimom]

Originally Posted by grandmaj

I'm going to take my mod hat off for just one minute here. As a former Town Manager I know a little about the public records laws.

When a freedom of information request is made, the records can be redacted so far as how it may impede an ongoing criminal investigation. The Chief of Police in this case would be the keeper of the record for criminal records. Therefore he could redact a report, he could hold back a tape recording, and if a partial copy can be provided without it impeding the investigation he is required by law to provide a partial redacted record of the event. This well may have happened in this matter of the phone calls, any incident report by BD and any incident report by SA. or any witnesses including the children. We do not know what records LE has or doesn't have. We know only what was released under the Freedom of Information Act.

Also, under the Act, a keeper of the records is not required to provide anything other than what is requested although it is always better to give as much as you can for a particular matter rather than less. So long as it won't impede an ongoing legal matter or police investigation rather than deny a report you just give it if you know about it. If there is something in incident reports on this matter that they may want to use to prosecute any party, they are not going to release that document or tape recording at this time and have a legal right under the exemptions to withhold it.

If the local media is not used to this process, it is possible they requested the 911 tapes. Do we know if all of the tapes have been released? NO. Did they request a copy of the police incident reports? We do not know.

I'm a little hesitant to say we know everything about this incident in February based on what was released. I'm also pretty sure that there is a City Attorney working with LE to ensure their compliance is legal and above board. They are not going to lose this case because they are called on the carpet for failure to properly execute affidavits IMO.

Unfortunately we have reached a point in this investigation where news is going to be slow, things will be kept from the public and we won't have immediate answers.

I am open to the possibility that there is more that we haven't heard about the February call. And I would be shocked to have an affidavit filed by LE that misrepresented an event.

bbm

I know this is a long post to quote but I agree with you 100%. Especially the part I bolded... There are serious consequences for these officers if they lie under oath and under penalty of perjury.

[sorrell skye]

Like I said awhile ago - I ain't gonna eat crumbs off the floor and call it supper. I don't care who's serving it.

I find it rather convenient for the significant other of the only named suspect in the criminal investigation of Hailey's disappearance to be the one who gets to decide what is the truth and what isn't (of course as relayed by someone else).

IMO, that's a HUGE conflict of interest.

Especially considering the fact that the significant other of the only named suspect has yet to be cleared by LE in her daughter's disappearance.

[Pondering Mind]

Originally Posted by sorrell skye

Like I said awhile ago - I ain't gonna eat crumbs off the floor and call it supper. I don't care who's serving it.

I find it rather convenient for the significant other of the only named suspect in the criminal investigation of Hailey's disappearance to be the one who gets to decide what is the truth and what isn't (of course as relayed by someone else).

IMO, that's a HUGE conflict of interest.

Especially considering the fact that the significant other of the only named suspect has yet to be cleared by LE in her daughter's disappearance.

I totally get where you're coming from, as I was here for quite a while earlier and decided to try and get some sleep. (didn't work as you can tell) I feel a little differently regarding parts of your post. While I believe any info relayed to us is truly believed by those who do the relaying, that certainly doesn't make it factual and it doesn't mean that we have to eat the crumbs of the floor, although I most definitely believe some think we do...I don't even think the server expects us to do that, lol! For some reason I have found that whenever we have someone close to a case that's posting, many take what they say as gospel...EVEN THOUGH they may only know what they have been told and believe it to be true (granted by someone I believe to be a liar) but I can't fault them for that. I could if I believed it was an intent to deceive.. but I don't believe that to be the case here, imo. I have found however that to dare go against the grain during those times is almost like blasphemy..and THAT I could do without..because as you said..that sure doesn't make it supper and just because I feel differently than some..it can get tiring being shut down for no other reason than others that blindly believe 'the relayed info' and don't consider the source that it came from. This post makes total sense doesn't it, lol? Back to bed to try again!

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by Tugela

The investigators that paragraph as it stands refers to are the original investigators though, not Sides, Gilly, and Bivins.

But, assuming for the sake of argument that the affidavit has been poorly crafted and it does in fact refer to Sides, Gilly, and Bivins, and given that we know from the original incident did NOT involve threats to HD (as clearly evidenced by the 911 recordings), then you would have to agree that Sides, Gilly, and Bivins were confused about the original event and that SA was also confused. Or more likely he didn't recall the exact words and events from a year ago other than that him and BD had a big fight, and agreed with Sides, Gilly, and Bivins on the assumption that they knew what they were talking about (which apparently they didn't).

When deciding if these threats were true or not, and just exactly who they were made against, then you need to look at what was said in the original 911 tapes and any police report that might have been made at the time, along with any statements SA and BD made at the time, not what was said at a meeting a year later.

What about the text messages? That is where Billie said the threats were being made. How do you know what was said in those texts?

[Pondering Mind]

Originally Posted by belimom

bbm

I know this is a long post to quote but I agree with you 100%. Especially the part I bolded... There are serious consequences for these officers if they lie under oath and under penalty of perjury.

and in a high profile case such as this...the odds would be astronomical that would happen imo..

[Caligram]

This is not my Action Plan, this is how I feel I would react. I don't know if anyone can predict exactly what they would do in these circumstances. I ran it through my head and past my heart, and this is what I got:

I have been following this case with a heavy heart. If my child/grandchild were missing I would, absolutely, positively: bawl, howl like an animal, grab some tissues and wipe my eyes so I could see the numbers on my phone, call 911. I would not be calm, I would be frantic, I would not be concerned that the call was being recorded...my child is missing. Not "went missing" because IMO to me, went indicates went intentionally. Maybe it is just me, but I would have already looked for a note, searched her room, called her best friends. Then, there would be no room and no time for denial. When I was sure my child was indeed missing I would be terrified of what may have happened - I would know that she didn't just leave, and would never hint at that possibility. I would be completely honest with the LE responders, and would do whatever I was asked to do...LDT, sure, get it done, then find my child. Please, I would be begging and sobbing as I rubbed my eyes, not caring about any smeared mascara. What would be in my head would be one thing only "my child is missing". If media showed up, let them, film whatever you want, here is her picture, help me find her. Here is her description. Help me find her. I would hope that a family member or neighbor would be there to keep me from pulling out my hair or banging my head against the wall, falling apart. But the words that would keep running through my head and spilling out of my mouth would not change: "my child is missing" my child is missing" my child is missing".
May God help me that I am never placed in that situation. I don't know if I could stand the emotional pain the first 24 hours. That is my idea of hell, there is no other word for it, absolute terrifying living hell. The not knowing, the thought of somebody snatching my child off the street. Then comes the self blame - the should'a, would'a, and could'a,s and of course, the if only’s! By then it's too late for caution, and I don't know how a parent can go on day after day. My heart breaks for the missing children, and the endless forever pain that a parent would have to endure should their child stay missing. Bless all of you that love and nurture children. Keep an eye out for those kids who don't seem to have any love in their life, the ones who are always outside, aimless, but avoiding going home. There could be a reason. Be nosy, let the child know by your warm smile and your concern, form a neighborhood watch group. Our children, our loved ones, our treasures, keep disappearing.
All of the above is my own humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's okay. I only know there is one thing I fear more than any other calamity - to have to call 911 to report that my child is missing.
IMHO

[Pondering Mind]

Originally Posted by aksleuth

I have to agree with this. Suspecting Billie in some way for me doesn't rest on her failed polygraph test or on her demeanor, mostly it's because of her evasive and inconsistent statements. She doesn't answer questions properly, she dances around with her off-the-wall remarks, and she keeps changing her story. Plus there's a lack of emotion and lack of urgency in her voice. Not to mention her wording, "Hailey isn't in the home". WTH? That's just bizarre.

The only time I've seen any REAL emotion from her is when she talks about her most unusual boyfriend. Very, very disturbing.

Even if she passed five polygraph exams and shed a million tears onscreen, if she were still skirting the questions and giving inconsistent answers, she'd be on MY suspect list - suspected as in "knowing something" or worse.

That's just the way it is.

Thank You! Thank You! Why would someone *assume* that anyone's opinion is based solely on Billies demeanor? Really? Do I sound that ignorant? Cuz if I do someone PLEASE tell me! That may be the case with one or two, but not the majority. That would be the same as lumping everyone that believed the opposite did so because of some of the comments I saw early on...that BD was too pretty..she just didn't seem like that kind of person, etc.. Billies demeanor is only one of MANY reasons I am very suspicious of her. What a shame it would be when this is all said and done and just like in so many other cases where you are condemned for finding fault with a parent (whether they have been named a POI yet or not) only to find out that parent was complicit in a crime against their child. I'm here for Hailey..not Billy or anyone else and if I believe her mom knows what happened to her, I can not and will not keep quiet. What a disservice that would be to Hailey. Billie can speak for herself...Hailey can not. I'm not judging Billie, I'm calling it like I see it...and in my mind I am NOT seeing someone who is making their missing daughter's whereabouts a priority..and I'm gonna keep quiet? Nope..ain't happening, right or wrong...

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by Beyond Belief

So they got a hit at the friends or close, thats what i am interested in. Thank you so very much.

If you reread her post she said ' made a beeline TOWARDS MB's'[ and then goes to the motel. So it seems they did NOT actually get a hit at the house.

[BeanE]

Originally Posted by czgtz

Originally, LE said that the dogs started towards Clint's house, stopped, turned around and made a beeline towards MB's house, and then went to the motel. I posted this early on, and that is what I asked to have removed because LE didn't want it released. Billie later went on to say this on NG. LE changed that and said that the dogs didnt really track anywhere, and they took them by vehicle to each place and all of the motels in town, and only got a hit at the houses and the one motel. So I have no idea which is correct.

Can you please clarify which of this information you heard directly from LE, and which you heard from Billie?

Thank you.

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Originally Posted by Pondering Mind

Thank You! Thank You! Why would someone *assume* that anyone's opinion is based solely on Billies demeanor? Really? Do I sound that ignorant? Cuz if I do someone PLEASE tell me! That may be the case with one or two, but not the majority. That would be the same as lumping everyone that believed the opposite did so because of some of the comments I saw early on...that BD was too pretty..she just didn't seem like that kind of person, etc.. Billies demeanor is only one of MANY reasons I am very suspicious of her. What a shame it would be when this is all said and done and just like in so many other cases where you are condemned for finding fault with a parent (whether they have been named a POI yet or not) only to find out that parent was complicit in a crime against their child. I'm here for Hailey..not Billy or anyone else and if I believe her mom knows what happened to her, I can not and will not keep quiet. What a disservice that would be to Hailey. Billie can speak for herself...Hailey can not. I'm not judging Billie, I'm calling it like I see it...and in my mind I am NOT seeing someone who is making their missing daughter's whereabouts a priority..and I'm gonna keep quiet? Nope..ain't happening, right or wrong...

ITA PM - and thank you! It is NOT normal for a mother of a missing child to behave like this. People whose children are missing simply do not act like this. It appears that everyone but BD is more concerned about where this precious 13-year-old missing child is. So sad.

[BeanE]

Originally Posted by everyoneneedsavoice

I'm confused...

BBM


http://www.ktxs.com/news/26401950/detail.html


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html


http://www.reporternews.com/news/201...gs-affadavits/



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../10/ng.01.html


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html

Also, NG Jan 6:

DUNN: Shawn? I don`t know how long he was talked to afterward, I don`t think long before he went over to his grandma`s. His aunt came and picked him up.

[ThoughtFox]

Originally Posted by czgtz

Originally, LE said that the dogs started towards Clint's house, stopped, turned around and made a beeline towards MB's house, and then went to the motel. I posted this early on, and that is what I asked to have removed because LE didn't want it released. Billie later went on to say this on NG. LE changed that and said that the dogs didnt really track anywhere, and they took them by vehicle to each place and all of the motels in town, and only got a hit at the houses and the one motel. So I have no idea which is correct.

Originally Posted by BeanE

Can you please clarify which of this information you heard directly from LE, and which you heard from Billie?

Thank you.

CZGTZ has signed off for the night, I think, but I think she is paraphrasing stuff that was all over the news back in the first part of January. Some of the original reporting (see video below) was repeated by Billie Dunn on NG, then Kampfer with the police said it wasn't portrayed correctly.

Personally I think it's all about slight wording differences about dogs "tracking" versus "hitting" on a place - almost semantical instead of really meaningful. If the dogs hit on Haleigh's scent at the hotel, then she must have gotten there somehow, it seems to me. I mean, I understand the nuance here, but if the hotel was close enough for Haleigh to walk there, then it didn't seem that impossible that the dogs might have tracked there. A press conference would have cleared all this up.

NG reported on Jan 4th that the dogs "tracked: to the hotel:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../04/ng.01.html

MICHAEL BOARD, WOAI NEWSRADIO: Nancy, the last person to see Hailey Dunn alive was her mother`s boyfriend. This was on December 27th at about 3:00 o`clock in the last -- 3:00 o`clock in the afternoon. Her mother`s boyfriend says that Hailey told him that she was going over to her father`s house and then over to a friend`s house.

Police, we`ve learned this week, brought in bloodhounds, and amazingly, those dogs were able to pick up Hailey`s scent. Yes, they tracked her exact path. They went from her mother`s home to her father`s home, and then from her father`s home to her friend`s home, which is a couple blocks away.

But Nancy, this is where the story takes a tragic turn. The bloodhounds then track her scent to a motel in Colorado City. Nancy, why does a 13-year-old girl have any reason in the world to go to a motel? Right now, they`re scanning through the surveillance cameras, and we`re told so far, they have not seen Hailey`s pictures on those security cameras, but they`re continuing to look into that area.

Maybe there`s another business there. Maybe there was a convenience store that maybe had a surveillance camera or a security camera. They`re hoping, they`re praying that maybe there was another camera in that area that was able to catch her picture.

GRACE: Michael Board, when did the bloodhounds come to the scene?

BOARD: They -- where did they come to the scene? They tracked her scent...

GRACE: When? When? When did they come?

BOARD: Oh, when. When. They came this week. It was almost immediately. They were able to get bloodhounds from a nearby airport, to bring them over and start tracking the scene. This was almost from the beginning. So it was a fresh scent.

GRACE: I want to go to Priscilla Luong, reporter with CNN affiliate KTAB. She is joining us tonight outside Hailey`s home. Priscilla, thank you for being with us.

PRISCILLA LUONG, KTAB CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: It`s my understanding that police will not confirm the use of bloodhounds. Have you been able to confirm it?

LUONG: Well, Nancy, when I talked to police today, they kept a pretty tight lip about this. All I know right now is the reward that was originally $10,000 actually more than doubled overnight. It`s $25,000 now for anyone with tips that can help them track down this 13-year-old girl.

I want to go back to Billie Dunn, this is Hailey`s mother.

How far did they tell you the dogs tracked your little girl to that Western Motel? Did they track her into the lobby? Did they track to a certain room, to the parking lot? How far did the trail go?

B. DUNN: They didn`t tell me that. They just let me know that to the friends, to the motel, and they`re reviewing the video at the motel, and calling everybody who had been checked in to the motel that day.

Hailey Dunn -TX- :: 1/5/11 Texas Rangers searched at the Dunn home while family members underwent polygraphs. Hotel manager talks about dogs scenting at hotel. video by crankycrankerson - Photobucket

Hailey Dunn -TX- :: 1/5/11 Texas Rangers searched at the Dunn home while family members underwent polygraphs. Hotel manager talks about dogs scenting at hotel. video by crankycrankerson - Photobucket

Then the police said the reporting was wrong and that the dogs were taken to the hotel.

According to City Manager Kampfer, search dogs picked up a few scent spots indicative of Hailey’s presence near the Western Suites hotel off I-20, just a few blocks from Hailey’s home.

Kampfer says the scents were detected after law enforcement brought the dogs to several locations, not by following any sort of “trail” to the hotel.

[Zoe Bogart]

Originally Posted by aksleuth

Even if she passed five polygraph exams and shed a million tears onscreen, if she were still skirting the questions and giving inconsistent answers, she'd be on MY suspect list - suspected as in "knowing something" or worse.

I just want to clarify that I'm not saying, "She did it!". What I'm saying is her actions are suspect, leaving me with many doubts about what she knows and wondering if she had any part in the "disappearance" of Hailey - before, during, or after the fact. She takes up for SA far more than she shows concern for the child. This could be intense guilt she's feeling for bringing this man into her home, but if this is the case, why did she say she didn't know if she'd take him back? After all the backlash I'm sure she's received lately from people finding out about SA's general behavior, his threats against her family/herself, and his "hobbies", why wouldn't she get a clue and take a second look at the type of man he is, and realize it was a terrible thing bringing him into her home, even if he's innocent? He doesn't need to be living in her home!

This disturbs me the most about her. Even now, she's reluctant to send him packing permanently. Is this man SO IMPORTANT to her that she doesn't care how dangerous he may be, how dangerous it is to have him around her children? Why is she putting SA before the welfare of her children?

She makes all sorts of attempts to cover for him. That's just NOT RIGHT.

[sherryk]

It struck me odd that the case on NG last night in regards to EE (i believe that is the little girls intials) that she was found in a cotten gin.. and searcher were looking for HD in cotten gin at one point.

The little girl EE had connections to a motel. Hailey at one point they said had been traced to hotel and then sent stopped.

NG stated a possible connection and named HD. The reporter or producer said somthing to the extent that checking the man arrested to see is he is connected to any other CASE.. that strongly led to believe that may have be reffering to HD.

I know that the area is 100 miles away more or less.
It just struck me as very much similar.
I hope they are checking out if SA or anyone of interest in the HD knew this man at all. If SA or anyone else bought drugs.. is it possible that someone possibly knew him.

maybe far fetched but I hope they are at least going over it with a find tooth comb in the HD case.

Just too close in time frame and age of girls and the hotel issue.

[BeanE]

Originally Posted by ThoughtFox

CZGTZ has signed off for the night, I think,

I know. I left her a message with a link to my question for her.

[lillys]

Originally Posted by sorrell skye

According to the affidavit, Shawn admitted to threatening to kill Billie and her daughter Hailey. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers - Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins.

BD has admitted that her lover Shawn threatened to murder her last February 2010.

BD has admitted that her lover threatened to murder her estranged husband.

The affidavit states that Shawn Adkins admitted to threatening to murder Billie Jean Dunn and her daughter Hailey Dunn. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers.

I see no reason to believe that Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins are lying.

ETA: http://www.ktxs.com/download/2011/0112/26466351.pdf

Anyone is free to read the affidavit for themselves.

I agree, LE has no reason to lie and I'm glad you said it. IMO, it makes no sense to believe everything certain people say who are close to Hailey and yet blame and claim LE is lying.

[LisaB]

Originally Posted by Salem

I think LE would look at your posts to try to determine what your interest is..., kwim? You are interested in solving crimes (so is LE) and finding justice for victims. We can see that from your posts.

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) BD was posting on a board where it could easily be determined what her interest was... hobby, trying to impress new boyfriendf, or if she was also interested in justice and solving crimes.

Salem

I know SA posted on the Michael Myers site, and that Billie downloaded things from TruTV Crime Library, but posts? Do tell? On what website? Is there a link to her posts? I'd be curious to read her comments. I don't think I have even seen a myspace or Facebook for Billie.

[LisaB]

Originally Posted by Pondering Mind

Salem, I believe that some of us were thinking that we had not heard all the calls from that day..The officer on duty said that 'whatever' was going on had been going on all day..yet we only heard 3 (?) calls. Some of us (myself included) thought perhaps all the 911 calls had not been released and on those there may have been possible reference to a threat to Hailey...

I think that, at this point, if LE could prove Hailey was threatened by Shawn in February, they'd have released the material proving it along with the tapes they did release. Wouldn't the FOIA request that got them the original 911 tapes have requested ALL of them? I suspect that we have heard all they have and someone was either mistaken, or trying to sell it to the judge issuing the warrants