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Old 02-21-2011, 02:32 PM
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Exclamation 2011.02.21 - Nancy Grace!

Breaking News: 10-year-old Zahra's stepmom just charged with murder!



Breaking -- 10-year-old Zahra's stepmom Elisa Baker just indicted on 2nd degree murder charge! Prosecutors allege she had a pattern of physically, verbally and psychologically abusing her disabled stepdaughter Zahra. Nancy Grace has all the breaking developments at 8 PM ET on HLN.
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:41 PM
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Will have to count on you fans to post your thoughts on the coverage, as I don't get that channel any longer. I am sure PattyG or someone will youtube it, she is so good to us
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:46 PM
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Patty is the best isn't she (I've been to her site many many times)! I am definitely going to watch NG tonight. Can't hear what her take is on AB?

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Normally I only cover the MISSING and not the discussions of charges except in the Anthony case. Since the autopsy report is out, I know for my own mental health, I can't sit and listen to the discussion of what has been revealed in the autopsy report.
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sokay Patty, you do so much for us here I would never ask you to if you weren't already intending it. I am sure someone will transcribe
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Nancy is on now ~ LIVE

Giving background of Zahra's case.

Just in - Grand Jury hands down murder indictment against EB

Snips of news conference video from earlier today
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More of news conference along with photos of Zahra.

Nancy now talking about Zahra being a cancer survivor, being dismembered, and the GJ handing down the murder indictment. What h*ll her stepmother put her through before death?

Jean Casares reporting on the indictment for 2nd degree murder. NG doesn't understand why the indictment didn't go for 1st degree. JC saying not premeditated; no DP, 50 yrs. to life sentence possible, normally on 2nd degree murder it is 30 yrs. No COD since she was dismembered so can't determine premeditation.

Caller is questioning the charge of 2nd degree murder.

John Miller, editor Hickory Daily Record: autopsy report released, can't prove premeditation.

NG is telling him about a case she sat through where DP was gotten without a COD.

NG talking with producer Ellie about gruesome game EB would play. Ellie recalling EB's statements that Zahra was dismembered in the house. Back to online activity, Ellie is talking about EB participating in game where she, AB and ex-husband created virtual family where they committed chainsaw murders online.
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Old 02-21-2011, 08:12 PM
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NG still talking about the online chainsaw murder game and why the DA can't seek murder one charges with the prior abuse (numerous calls to DSS), plus the way Zahra was dismembered. Retired homicide detective she's speaking with describes the brutal act, doesn't know why the DA didn't go for higher charges, maybe statutes in NC?

Another caller trying to figure out why EB killed Zahra.

JC talking about AB not being charged with murder. NG can't believe he didn't know what was going on.

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AB will not be charged with murder???? Jean C
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woo-wee, Nancy is in need of a valium. She's talking about hacking poor zahra's head off. Yelling "put him up...PUT HIM UP!". Out to the lines.

She said it doesn't sound like we're going to get justice for Zahra.

To Jean: What do we know about the father (screaming).

Jean: AB will not be charged with murder.

Evil stepmother, evil stepmommy, won't be behind bars for life (NG).

I don't know if I can watch the whole show -- she's raising my BP.

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I didn't realize it was only second degree murder. That's disappointing. I would like to read the autopsy report for myself but can't find it.
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I really want to know exactly why they charged her with second degree murder. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
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I wonder if it could have been a deal Even though it was a GJ indictment I wonder if she agreed to take LE to the remains if they would not pursue a first degree charge??
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I really want to know exactly why they charged her with second degree murder. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
The only thing that I can come up with is there had to be some kind of a plea deal.
Take the DP off the table, I'll talk.
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Back. Clip of presser pretty much --

We are taking your calls for those just joining us. After a massive manhunt, her remains found spread over multiple locations -- battle with cancer, that she won, that she overcome so much, only to land in the hands of a real live evil stepmother. A stepmother who will never face her own death penalty, or even life without parole.

Jane C: talking about 2nd degree, eligible for parole. AB not been charged.

NG: see no evil, hear no evil - that's AB's defense. There is prior fractures.

?: (don't know her name): Yes, she had prior fractures - only went to the doctor once when she was in NC.

NG: Only once!

Unleash the lawyers

Gloria Allred: well, did dad make any kind of deal, immunity, is he the one who gave information about remains. We don't know the answers yet, but maybe that's why he's not being charged?

NG: Did he have an immunity deal?

Lawyer: info came from Elisa

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back from commercial with more of news conference

NG talking about Zahra's history, what she overcame, EB charged but won't face her own DP

JC talking about AB living in the house, knowing what went on, but won't be charged in her murder

NG (re: AB) "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil....."

Ellie talking about remote rib fractures; can't be determined when they occurred, possibly from cancer surgeries. Only one visit to doctor in NC.

Gloria Allred: did AB get some kind of immunity; did he give LE any information to explain why he hasn't been charged, or did he have nothing to do with murder.

John Miller: most information came from EB

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I didn't realize it was only second degree murder. That's disappointing. I would like to read the autopsy report for myself but can't find it.
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I really want to know exactly why they charged her with second degree murder. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
I think it is an easier degree to win.
Let's pray on top of all her other charges (bigomy,etc) keeps her
in jail til the day she dies!!!
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I really want to know exactly why they charged her with second degree murder. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
I don't understand either. As NG has said, premeditation only takes the blink of an eye........

However it is easier to prove second degree murder. She won't be free again either even with 30+ years at her age.
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On NG they said the Grand Jury came down with 2nd degree murder. I wonder if that disappoints the prosecutors as much as it does us.
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presser - again.

Your stepmother should not have made you walk up a hill.

NG: real life evil stepmother gets charged with 2nd degree murder.

Weigh in Alex: I hate to be the bearer of bad news. This case could end up collapsing. There is no indication of how this child died.

NG: Sanchez, I know you won a lot of cases, but why would you disseminate such theories of the law. Do you suggest I give out a gold star because EB dismembered the body, didn't take her to the doctor. It's clear she was murdered. ANSWER THE QUESTION ALEX! If it's not accident, illness, suicide, what is the answer? Note: they talked over each other a lot during this exchange.

Sanchez: I have no idea, it's up to the prosecutor.

(missed something here)

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Gloria Allred, Alex Sanchez, Remi Spencer

AS: Case may collapse. No indication how Z died. Believes contradiction to say "unknown homicidal violence" then charge 2nd degree murder.

NG questioning what he thinks the COD would be other than murder that would cause dismemberment?
AS: you have to have proof or you don't have a case.
NG: not accident, illness, suicide
AS: I have no idea; it's up to the prosecution to prove.
RS: we don't know why there is no bill on 1st degree murder; may not have been the prosecutor's decision.

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O/T if only her little skull could be found................was Zahra hit over the head??
Proof of her death needed.
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I really want to know exactly why they charged her with second degree murder. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
I think it was because they are charging her with basically what she has already said she did. At least they know they can win that, I guess.
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On NG they said the Grand Jury came down with 2nd degree murder. I wonder if that disappoints the prosecutors as much as it does us.
That is sooo strange. She's a handicapped helpless child who was murdered, then cut up, but it's not first degree??
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