Nancy Grace America's Missing 2011-03-01

[Nonni Brenda]

If I was orchastrating this "meeting" at the MH, it would be better time/distance wise for Elisa to go to GGMS's house and TN to meet them both at the MH. Again though, we're not sure what happened to Haleigh happened at this MH. I have't thougt of this before, but if TN was in fact babysiting, maybe at her house, could whatever happened have happened at her house? just speculating again.

[krkrjx]

[quote=Nonni Brenda;6273247]

Originally Posted by krkrjx

Thank you krkrjx for this post. There are so many puzzling things in this case. But the questions you have asked here are the biggest puzzles of all for me. I too have seen NG go above and beyond to help find lost children and women. I just don't get it in Haleigh's case. NG is a great investigative journalist, a previous DA, and a JD. Everyone loves her show and what she has done for so many lost people. The facts about RC's actions in this case are unbelievably suspicious, as we have named and discussed here for 2 yrs. I just wish someone who knows NG would explain her treatment and attitude of RC to us. She may have a good reason to defend and seemingly protect him as she does. After all we don't have all the facts here. I just can't for the life of me understand it.

Maybe NG had a strategy, but was never able to implement it. Maybe she coddled the Cummings family initially so she would have access to them for interviews, but soon came to understand that she would have to walk on eggs around them at all times, in order to have continued access.

IDK, but I think maybe NG knew that if she even looked at one of them cross-eyed they would bolt and never return for another interview. At one point NG did say, "Don't you lie to me!" to Ron. And it seems to me we never saw him appear on her show again. But...she still championed him, vowing to wrestle angels for him even after that particular show. Was that to keep TN and AS coming back? Perhaps it was.

Question is, how does walking on eggs around the players help Haleigh? When LE was saying the timeline was crucial, that they needed an accurate TIMELINE for that night, it seems both LE and NG would have seriously questioned anyone who made any statement that mentioned a time...and later changed it.

All JMO.

[lil momma]

Originally Posted by Nonni Brenda

If I was orchastrating this "meeting" at the MH, it would be better time/distance wise for Elisa to go to GGMS's house and TN to meet them both at the MH. Again though, we're not sure what happened to Haleigh happened at this MH. I have't thougt of this before, but if TN was in fact babysiting, maybe at her house, could whatever happened have happened at her house? just speculating again.

I agree Nonni! TN seems to live pretty far to the east of both GGS and Elisa. IDK, i was just throwing it out there. I had many time thought maybe something happened on TNs watch but there are so many ways this could go on any and all senerios.

I actually had to stop watching NG b/c of how she was treating Crystal. It upset me, and i thought it wasn't very professional of her. If she had treated every guest who is involved in the mess the same, i may have continued to watch her.

JMO

[Nonni Brenda]

[quote=krkrjx;6273296]

Originally Posted by Nonni Brenda

Maybe NG had a strategy, but was never able to implement it. Maybe she coddled the Cummings family initially so she would have access to them for interviews, but soon came to understand that she would have to walk on eggs around them at all times, in order to have continued access.

IDK, but I think maybe NG knew that if she even looked at one of them cross-eyed they would bolt and never return for another interview. At one point NG did say, "Don't you lie to me!" to Ron. And it seems to me we never saw him appear on her show again. But...she still championed him, vowing to wrestle angels for him even after that particular show. Was that to keep TN and AS coming back? Perhaps it was.

Question is, how does walking on eggs around the players help Haleigh? When LE was saying the timeline was crucial, that they needed an accurate TIMELINE for that night, it seems both LE and NG would have seriously questioned anyone who made any statement that mentioned a time...and later changed it.

All JMO.

You've made some great points K. But even the NG show when Pat Brown was on and pointed out RC's suspicious behavior, they cut to commercial or asked another guest something (there goes my bad memory again), instead of continuing with Pat's statement. It's obvious RC won't be on the show anymore, and probably not the gm's. NG's show still seems to be hedging around anything negative about RC's obviously suspicious behavior.
I too thought at one time that NG was trying to not scare RC off from her show, but that boat has sailed now... I don't know.

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by lil momma

I agree Nonni! TN seems to live pretty far to the east of both GGS and Elisa. IDK, i was just throwing it out there. I had many time thought maybe something happened on TNs watch but there are so many ways this could go on any and all senerios.

I actually had to stop watching NG b/c of how she was treating Crystal. It upset me, and i thought it wasn't very professional of her. If she had treated every guest who is involved in the mess the same, i may have continued to watch her.

JMO

Yeah, it makes me shiver to remember her harsh treatment of Crystal. Just mean. But then so kind and sympathetic to RC. Very puzzling to me. Then again, like krkrjx said above, she may have had a strategy back then, that just didn't pan out. Hope someday she will share her strange treatment of these parents with us.

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by Concerned Papa

I don't know about what involvement she may have had, but I don't buy, for a moment, any of GGM's "dropping off some laundry" stories.

GGM said "we" dropped off some laundry and Misty identified the "we" as Aunt Lisa. Donald and Elisa Squires lived at 420 Beecher Springs Rd. Crescent City, FL according to the DNR arrest report on the illegal hunting bust with Ronald.

It seems illogical enough that GGM would supposedly leave her home in Welaka at 7:00 at night for a 15 mile round trip just to deliver some laundry, but it stretches the logic even further to believe she first went several miles out of her way to pick up "Aunt Lisa".



Bottom line for me is simply this question: Why did GGM Annette Sykes really leave her home on a cold winter's night and drive so many miles to get to the trailer.......WITH A NURSE?

And to tie it to this thread, Why didn't Nancy Grace ask her?

I think she was probably there, but at an earlier time. Parts of her story ring true...the we drove up part, the being mad because Misty was back part, maybe even the kids eating. But parts of her story ring false...the Haleigh being in no shirt and eating on the porch at night parts. The changing time of the visit, the changing menu, and the whole clothes thing, seem to be an attempt by AS, in MOO, to alibi Ron, while keeping herself out of the position of being locked into describing key details. I mean what better way to not be forced to describe Haleigh's last outfit, then to say Haleigh didn't have on a shirt? & the thing about the green beans has me baffled. I'm guessing that LE maybe found the empty can sitting on the counter, but that still doesn't explain why it took so long to say it. AS acts like she's changing her story to fit information LE has, but at the same time, she doesn't act like she knows much about what happened. But...I really don't think, (at least not at this point), that LE is using AS's visit as a basis of the timeline. surely not. MOO.

[krkrjx]

Originally Posted by dodie20

I think she was probably there, but at an earlier time. Parts of her story ring true...the we drove up part, the being mad because Misty was back part, maybe even the kids eating. But parts of her story ring false...the Haleigh being in no shirt and eating on the porch at night parts. The changing time of the visit, the changing menu, and the whole clothes thing, seem to be an attempt by AS, in MOO, to alibi Ron, while keeping herself out of the position of being locked into describing key details. I mean what better way to not be forced to describe Haleigh's last outfit, then to say Haleigh didn't have on a shirt? & the thing about the green beans has me baffled. I'm guessing that LE maybe found the empty can sitting on the counter, but that still doesn't explain why it took so long to say it. AS acts like she's changing her story to fit information LE has, but at the same time, she doesn't act like she knows much about what happened. But...I really don't think, (at least not at this point), that LE is using AS's visit as a basis of the timeline. surely not. MOO.

BBM: I agree that AS alleged visit was an attempt to alibi Ron. I also agree that she may have changed her story to fit information LE has (or maybe to subtly refute info LE came by after she made her initial claim). I agree that LE might not at this point consider AS's alleged visit as a reliable basis for the timeline...but I do believe LE was at least in the beginning using AS visit time as the timeline.

LE said once they needed to know what happened between 7PM and 3AM...7PM being the time AS said she saw Haleigh alive, and 3AM being the time Misty said she woke up to find Haleigh missing.

At one point the time in question was changed to 8PM. For a while in between it was 7:30PM. And not too long ago it was back to 7 or 7:30PM.

I firmly believe LE used AS initially-stated visit time to establish a timeline of events. And either LE changed the timeframe when her story changed, or they changed it for some other reason and AS changed her story to coincide with LE's time.

And finally, why would AS have to alibi Ron? That would imply that he needed an alibi, which to me implies that AS knew something and IMO, it's either that Ron was involved in what happened to Haleigh or that he wasn't at work all the hours that he wants everyone to believe he was.

JMO.

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by krkrjx

BBM: I agree that AS alleged visit was an attempt to alibi Ron. I also agree that she may have changed her story to fit information LE has (or maybe to subtly refute info LE came by after she made her initial claim). I agree that LE might not at this point consider AS's alleged visit as a reliable basis for the timeline...but I do believe LE was at least in the beginning using AS visit time as the timeline.

LE said once they needed to know what happened between 7PM and 3AM...7PM being the time AS said she saw Haleigh alive, and 3AM being the time Misty said she woke up to find Haleigh missing.

At one point the time in question was changed to 8PM. For a while in between it was 7:30PM. And not too long ago it was back to 7 or 7:30PM.

I firmly believe LE used AS initially-stated visit time to establish a timeline of events. And either LE changed the timeframe when her story changed, or they changed it for some other reason and AS changed her story to coincide with LE's time.

And finally, why would AS have to alibi Ron? That would imply that he needed an alibi, which to me implies that AS knew something and IMO, it's either that Ron was involved in what happened to Haleigh or that he wasn't at work all the hours that he wants everyone to believe he was.

JMO.

agreed. Awhile back, I considered what it would take to get me to false alibi my daughter and surprisingly, it wasn't much...just the belief that she was innocent. Even if she was hiding something else, I think in my mind, I could separate the two things and back her story up. This is what I think might be happening here. I may have to eat those words if AS knows more, but in moo, her story, (stories), has done nothing but muddy the waters. But IMO, regardless of what she claims now or before, her story doesn't clear Ron. Maybe she knew some particular evidence was pointing LE to a certain time, so her visit time changed to fit their timeline? IDK, how this got started, but it seemed at the time, imo, she panicked because there was gaining speculation about Ron's actual work hours and Misty being gone that night, so she tried to put a stop to it. If this is true, would her admitting it, help solve the case? Ron reportedly failed a LDT, and her account surely wouldn't override that. If she was there earlier in the day, what was Haleigh wearing? the shirt that was later found? Why can't Misty get this right? It seems that she wasn't there, but according to CS, Jr said Misty was there and asleep. as was Haleigh. & I believe this information because Jr nor CS had reason to lie. unless someone put it in his head that Misty was asleep right beside him when Haleigh was taken. I wonder how easy it would be to insert extra details into a very young child's story & then have the child 'remember' them? MOO.

[titanfan62702]

Originally Posted by dodie20

agreed. Awhile back, I considered what it would take to get me to false alibi my daughter and surprisingly, it wasn't much...just the belief that she was innocent. Even if she was hiding something else, I think in my mind, I could separate the two things and back her story up. This is what I think might be happening here. I may have to eat those words if AS knows more, but in moo, her story, (stories), has done nothing but muddy the waters. But IMO, regardless of what she claims now or before, her story doesn't clear Ron. Maybe she knew some particular evidence was pointing LE to a certain time, so her visit time changed to fit their timeline? IDK, how this got started, but it seemed at the time, imo, she panicked because there was gaining speculation about Ron's actual work hours and Misty being gone that night, so she tried to put a stop to it. If this is true, would her admitting it, help solve the case? Ron reportedly failed a LDT, and her account surely wouldn't override that. If she was there earlier in the day, what was Haleigh wearing? the shirt that was later found? Why can't Misty get this right? It seems that she wasn't there, but according to CS, Jr said Misty was there and asleep. as was Haleigh. & I believe this information because Jr nor CS had reason to lie. unless someone put it in his head that Misty was asleep right beside him when Haleigh was taken. I wonder how easy it would be to insert extra details into a very young child's story & then have the child 'remember' them? MOO.

I don't think giving a child a story as to what happened would be that difficult. He/she might not get all the details right, but wasn't early reports that Junior was all over the place. Some tried to accuse Crystal of putting the "black man" or "man with black clothing" in his head, but seems like he was with the Cummings more than with Crystal.

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by Levi

I hope LE tries to put some pressure on Annette and get her to crack. If they can get her to admit and finally confess that she didn't go to the home that night... Then we can see some action.

If I was LE, I would be focused on Annette... Annette, Annette, Annette.

And just think, the only person who has stated that she saw Annette when she came by that night is Misty! Imagine that! As far as I know, there are no other eye witnesses willing to put themselves at the MH that night when Great Grannie came by. The mystery relative has been named by Misty but as far as we know, this relative was not questioned. And now, the Neves and the Sykes are making statements about how much Misty lies so does that mean that her story about Annette Sykes and Aunt Elisa coming by is an outright lie? Who to believe...........hummmmmmmmm

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by krkrjx

BBM: I agree that AS alleged visit was an attempt to alibi Ron. I also agree that she may have changed her story to fit information LE has (or maybe to subtly refute info LE came by after she made her initial claim). I agree that LE might not at this point consider AS's alleged visit as a reliable basis for the timeline...but I do believe LE was at least in the beginning using AS visit time as the timeline.

LE said once they needed to know what happened between 7PM and 3AM...7PM being the time AS said she saw Haleigh alive, and 3AM being the time Misty said she woke up to find Haleigh missing.

At one point the time in question was changed to 8PM. For a while in between it was 7:30PM. And not too long ago it was back to 7 or 7:30PM.

I firmly believe LE used AS initially-stated visit time to establish a timeline of events. And either LE changed the timeframe when her story changed, or they changed it for some other reason and AS changed her story to coincide with LE's time.

And finally, why would AS have to alibi Ron? That would imply that he needed an alibi, which to me implies that AS knew something and IMO, it's either that Ron was involved in what happened to Haleigh or that he wasn't at work all the hours that he wants everyone to believe he was.

JMO.

It has always pizzzzzed me off that LE used Annette Sykes' time of delivering the laundry as a basis for the investigation timeline.............WTH, don't they know that elderly people are very capable of lying, especially when they are in protection mode for their children and/or grandchildren???????????

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by titanfan62702

I don't think giving a child a story as to what happened would be that difficult. He/she might not get all the details right, but wasn't early reports that Junior was all over the place. Some tried to accuse Crystal of putting the "black man" or "man with black clothing" in his head, but seems like he was with the Cummings more than with Crystal.

I make a point to believe outside witnesses, (bus stop. etc...), and Jr, and hardly anyone else. But, after thinking about it, I do think planting a little false memory might be easy. LE, more than likely, already knew Jrs claims, when they made the announcement that Misty might have not been there ...so Misty was probably gone. But if that's the case, why were she, Ron and his family so adamant that she was there? Surely they didn't just take her word. MOO

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by dodie20

I make a point to believe outside witnesses, (bus stop. etc...), and Jr, and hardly anyone else. But, after thinking about it, I do think planting a little false memory might be easy. LE, more than likely, already knew Jrs claims, when they made the announcement that Misty might have not been there ...so Misty was probably gone. But if that's the case, why were she, Ron and his family so adamant that she was there? Surely they didn't just take her word. MOO

Good question dodie. Maybe they were adamant that misty was there because someone else was there, not misty, someone they needed to protect...jmo

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by Nonni Brenda

Good question dodie. Maybe they were adamant that misty was there because someone else was there, not misty, someone they needed to protect...jmo

or maybe the exact opposite. Maybe the kids were left alone and they don't want anybody to know. Or maybe what Misty was doing, while gone, has to be kept secret. All I know about this, is none of these people can know for sure where she was. They weren't there! So to hear Ron, TN, AS, and anybody else say she was, just doesn't make sense. I could maybe understand them defending her to a point, but really, they should never have gone against LE on this one...just kept quiet and let the chips fall where they may. IDK, maybe they felt Misty was being unfairly targeted, but how could they have known? If I was in that situation, I would've been suspecting her. MOO.

[Whisperer]

Those kids were left alone at some point. You can take that to the bank. Ron was adament about the back door being locked. That is because he locked it...with the kids alone iinside the house. They are most likely covering that part up. What we don't know is what happened before one or both were left there or after AS arrived.

See, ron wouldn't back down to that locked door. That tells me he really did lock the door.He also wouldn't even consider that anyone on the inside would unlock it. That lies in the face of logic. TN, AS, Misty and ron all deny opening that back door. Marie was the only logical one of the bunch and said, 'come on, somebody had to unlock that door from the inside if there were no sign of forced entry".

Not one person on ron's side ever said that or questioned "Why" or "How" did that back door get opened w/o forced entry?. RC and misty insisted sombody broke in. That tells me they both are in this together. We don't need to go very far in this case. The answers lie with that door, the 911 and ron's first interview.

[Whisperer]

Ron and misty both used past tense in their interviews with NG and with Greta. This is ominous, according to Statement Analysis.

Hard to believe NG kept giving him a pass whiling vilifying Crystal. I have noticed she has taken a stern stance on females and motherhood since she gave birth. Her standards are extremly high...almost rising to the pearls of Sainthood when it comess to being the mother of a child and how she perceives it should be.

[titanfan62702]

Originally Posted by Whisperer

Ron and misty both used past tense in their interviews with NG and with Greta. This is ominous, according to Statement Analysis.

Hard to believe NG kept giving him a pass whiling vilifying Crystal. I have noticed she has taken a stern stance on females and motherhood since she gave birth. Her standards are extremly high...almost rising to the pearls of Sainthood when it comess to being the mother of a child and how she perceives it should be.

Wonder how much time NG actually spends with the twins.

Oh, a week or so ago, NG made some bold statement against a boyfriend who moved out of his place just after his girlfriend went missing.

[Levi]

Originally Posted by titanfan62702

Wonder how much time NG actually spends with the twins.

Oh, a week or so ago, NG made some bold statement against a boyfriend who moved out of his place just after his girlfriend went missing.

Titan, I love your posts. Everyone knows my thoughts on Ron, and I clearly do not understand why Nancy likes him so much.

But I've attended tapings of Nancy's syndicated show. Tapings start at 9 AM and Nancy will go through those cases one after the other, well until after 3 PM, with VERY short (5 min breaks) in between cases and no lunch break, just so she can get home to the twins earlier.

So I would say that she does spend more time with her children than we might think.

[Levi]

Originally Posted by Flossie JMO

I didn't see the show. I think it goes without saying that HaLeigh's entire family misses her terribly.

They miss her so "terribly" they are going to fly to New York a month after she vanishes and take smiling photos with the teenager lying about what happened to her... Sure is a good way of showing it... Let's hug and kiss the woman lying about what happened to the little girl we "loved." Yeah right... ::rolls eyes::

They missed her so much, her father deals drugs while she is missing...

So that is just not true that the entire family misses her.

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by dodie20

I think she was probably there, but at an earlier time. Parts of her story ring true...the we drove up part, the being mad because Misty was back part, maybe even the kids eating. But parts of her story ring false...the Haleigh being in no shirt and eating on the porch at night parts. The changing time of the visit, the changing menu, and the whole clothes thing, seem to be an attempt by AS, in MOO, to alibi Ron, while keeping herself out of the position of being locked into describing key details. I mean what better way to not be forced to describe Haleigh's last outfit, then to say Haleigh didn't have on a shirt? & the thing about the green beans has me baffled. I'm guessing that LE maybe found the empty can sitting on the counter, but that still doesn't explain why it took so long to say it. AS acts like she's changing her story to fit information LE has, but at the same time, she doesn't act like she knows much about what happened. But...I really don't think, (at least not at this point), that LE is using AS's visit as a basis of the timeline. surely not. MOO.

I think that GGM was mostly angry because with Ron and Misty's breakup, that "forced" Ron to leave the children alone, therefore in GGM and Teresa and Ron too feel that it was entirely Misty's fault for whatever happened to Haleigh. If Misty had not "pushed Ron's buttons" and caused him to be enraged, then Haleigh would still be here......................This is what I think that family actually feels about this entire case.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

I think that GGM was mostly angry because with Ron and Misty's breakup, that "forced" Ron to leave the children alone, therefore in GGM and Teresa and Ron too feel that it was entirely Misty's fault for whatever happened to Haleigh. If Misty had not "pushed Ron's buttons" and caused him to be enraged, then Haleigh would still be here......................This is what I think that family actually feels about this entire case.

BBM. I agree. They have reconciled themselves to the fact she is gone and Ron didn't mean to do it.. And IF it wasn't for Misty and her actions it would have never happened...They see it as being ALL Misty's fault Ron C lost his temper and killed Haleigh instead of her...As they see it he has suffered enough and she deserves to take the fall for his actions......What a sick mindset....JMHO..

[krkrjx]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

I think that GGM was mostly angry because with Ron and Misty's breakup, that "forced" Ron to leave the children alone, therefore in GGM and Teresa and Ron too feel that it was entirely Misty's fault for whatever happened to Haleigh. If Misty had not "pushed Ron's buttons" and caused him to be enraged, then Haleigh would still be here......................This is what I think that family actually feels about this entire case.

YES!!!

I think TN and AS can see where Ron would be responsible for what happened if he left his kids alone but they have always made excuses for him, so they would try to ease Ron's responsibilty by blaming Misty for making him do it. It's similar mindset to a wife beater who says to the wife, "Now look what you made me do!"

Truth is, many wives accept the responsibility for making the brute do it. And I think Misty could have been talked into feeling responsible for Ron's anger, as well as for him leaving the kids alone (if he did).