State v Bradley Cooper 3-18-2011 - Page 22

ncsu95 · #**526** 03-19-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by panthera

Re-reading her affidavit, she does seem certain it was Nancy she saw that morning. I agree, it definitely should be interesting when she is called to testify at the trial, assuming she will be. MOO

She has seemed credible from the start. She called the police before the body was found. She hasn't sought publicity for this. She kept calling the police to explain what she saw.

ncsu95 · #**527** 03-19-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthinNC

Hmm after thinking some more I realized he could have attached a VoIP system directly to his home phone line but he would have had to use something like Asterisk to do it. That would indeed give him the ability to monitor calls as well as automate calls. I wasn't sure the capability was there in 2008 but yeah it was. That would allow him to do the calls directly over the landline. It would be more involved for somebody to figure out what happened if they didn't know what to look for.

Even using an asterisk, I'm not sure how he could have done it. Please explain. The call still went through his landline vendors network.

sunshine05 · #**528** 03-19-2011, 08:24 PM

Another thing I was just thinking about....when JA called the house asking to speak to NC, if BC was guilty and busy cleaning up the evidence, why not buy himself more time and lie? He could have told her she was in the shower, taking a nap, etc. He could have simply not answered the phone. But as soon as she called him, he seemed to begin searching, calling JA back to ask for CC's #, wanting to know where she worked, etc. But JA never said "um, she was supposed to be at my house this AM".

IF there was even one reported incident of BC yelling at her, pushing her, bruises, anything like that at all, I could understand everyone "knowing" he did it and having gut feelings that he did. I just don't understand why these women were so sure of his guilt immediately. Taking them out of the picture really changes things.

I'm really beginning to believe he could be innocent and CPD didn't want to consider that. The missing person call coming from JA and not BC really put CPD down that path. I just wonder if he had made the call himself...

If he did it, I want him to pay for it, but what if he didn't do it? I can't be convinced yet.

SleuthinNC · #**529** 03-19-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ncsu95

Even using an asterisk, I'm not sure how he could have done it. Please explain. The call still went through his landline vendors network.

Asterisk works like a PBX with the right line card you can plug it in directly to a POTS line connecting directly to the PSTN. At this point you can control all phones connected to the system and can call out across the PSTN.

ncsu95 · #**530** 03-19-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthinNC

Asterisk works like a PBX with the right line card you can plug it in directly to a POTS line connecting directly to the PSTN. At this point you can control all phones connected to the system and can call out across the PSTN.

Some freaking Russians exploited my system last month using an asterisk. Did $40k worth of international calls before I found it and shut it down.

SleuthinNC · #**531** 03-19-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ncsu95

Some freaking Russians exploited my system last month using an asterisk. Did $40k worth of international calls before I found it and shut it down.

Oh man that stinks! Asterisk is VERY powerful. In fact if he actually had an asterisk system running he could have used the browser on his cell phone to initiate the calls remotely. It would not even have to be automated.

Man, I can't wait to hear the phone call testimony!

SleuthyGal · #**532** 03-19-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine05

when JA called the house asking to speak to NC, if BC was guilty and busy cleaning up the evidence, why not buy himself more time and lie?

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).

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But JA never said "um, she was supposed to be at my house this AM".

She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.

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IF there was even one reported incident of BC yelling at her

Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

newMom · #**533** 03-19-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthinNC

It really doesn't work that way. At some point for the calls to go to his cell phone they had to go across a network that he did not have access to and there would be traceable records.

Ok, so I have to jump in here b/c I asked my husband (a programmer and self-proclaimed geek) about this and he says that a call can *absolutely* be set up like that using an independent (and small) piece of equipment that could then be easily discarded. And that the set-up would not have to process over any network that could trace it. Maybe the prosecution needs to contact him so he can show how it can be done.

Cheyenne130 · #**534** 03-19-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthyGal

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).

She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.

Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

He also told someone that she wasn't home because she was out having coffee.

SleuthinNC · #**535** 03-19-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by newMom

Ok, so I have to jump in here b/c I asked my husband (a programmer and self-proclaimed geek) about this and he says that a call can *absolutely* be set up like that using an independent (and small) piece of equipment that could then be easily discarded. And that the set-up would not have to process over any network that could trace it. Maybe the prosecution needs to contact him so he can show how it can be done.

I would be fascinated to hear about this piece of equipment that can place a call to a cellphone delivering the proper call identification information to look like an existing assigned exchange without traversing any networks. The cellular network in particular.

Not being snarky, I truly am interested.

SleuthyGal · #**536** 03-19-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne130

He also told someone that she wasn't home because she was out having coffee.

He told JA that Nancy went running and he told HP that Nancy went running with CC & probably was having coffee with her. So he lied to two different people that morning who called looking for Nancy.

sunshine05 · #**537** 03-19-2011, 08:52 PM

This affidavit states that BC was supposed to play tennis with him that morning and they spoke several times.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1774425/...er-Mike-Hiller

SleuthyGal · #**538** 03-19-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine05

This affidavit states that BC was supposed to play tennis with him that morning and they spoke several times.

Yeah...we know that. We had many discussions about that on this forum.

Nancy had HER plans and Brad had HIS plans.

sunshine05 · #**539** 03-19-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthyGal

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).

She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.

Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

From what I read, he said he *thought* she went running with CC.

The testimony about worrying about getting her in trouble for painting....this was no time to be worried about that when a person is possibly missing. That was very poor judgment, IMO.

Cheyenne130 · #**540** 03-19-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthyGal

He told JA that Nancy went running and he told HP that Nancy went running with CC & probably was having coffee with her. So he lied to two different people that morning who called looking for Nancy.

Any evidence he went by the coffee place looking for her?

sunshine05 · #**541** 03-19-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthyGal

Yeah...we know that. We had many discussions about that on this forum.

Nancy had HER plans and Brad had HIS plans.

Well, how do you explain the plans for THEM to get together with this couple that evening?

sunshine05 · #**542** 03-19-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthyGal

Yeah...we know that. We had many discussions about that on this forum.

Well, some people are new here. Do you have a problem with bringing up material that may have been discussed already?

Cheyenne130 · #**543** 03-19-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine05

From what I read, he said he *thought* she went running with CC.

The testimony about worrying about getting her in trouble for painting....this was no time to be worried about that when a person is possibly missing. That was very poor judgment, IMO.

I can't critisize her friend for not being more proactive. That should have been the husband's job. Most people don't immediately jump to panic mode when a friend doesn't show up. It's more expected that a spouse would go into panic mode when his wife doesn't show up. Credit to her for having a bad feeling and acting on it.

SleuthyGal · #**544** 03-19-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine05

From what I read, he said he *thought* she went running with CC.

The testimony about worrying about getting her in trouble for painting....this was no time to be worried about that when a person is possibly missing. That was very poor judgment, IMO.

He said she went running and he said he thought it was with CC. She didn't go running, nor did she have plans to do so with anyone, including CC.

JA showed excellent judgment. She was worried but wasn't giving Brad any additional ammunition in case Nancy did show up. JA knew things were very tense in that relationship and had seen so first-hand. She was smart!

And she didn't announce to Brad that she was going to call the police. JA (and HP) followed through on their intuition. As such, JA's call to CPD helped nail Brad (and hopefully before he could destroy ALL the evidence).

ncsu95 · #**545** 03-19-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthyGal

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).

She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.

Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

He might have lied. Obviously if he murdered her he did lie. But if he didn't, then NC could have lied to him.

SleuthyGal · #**546** 03-19-2011, 09:10 PM

No might about it (IMHO). He lied. Nancy was dead by then and dumped like trash off of Fielding Drive before 7am. (again IMHO)

Brad is a lying liar who lies.

ncsu95 · #**547** 03-19-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine05

This affidavit states that BC was supposed to play tennis with him that morning and they spoke several times.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1774425/...er-Mike-Hiller

I completely forgot about this affidavit. It's very telling. Said JA said NC wasn't bringing the kids. Said NC has been late before causing BC to be late for tennis. Confirmed that NC knew about the tennis plans and was okay with it. Indicated they had plans to go to the Cooper house on Saturday night to play games. That right there shows that the Coopers still did things together. Brad sure didn't act like a guilty person Saturday morning.

newMom · #**548** 03-19-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SleuthinNC

I would be fascinated to hear about this piece of equipment that can place a call to a cellphone delivering the proper call identification information to look like an existing assigned exchange without traversing any networks. The cellular network in particular.

Hubby says this equipment (a PCI card that goes in a computer) can work through the home phone line, thus showing a call was made from home. The cell company's records show call was made from home phone b/c it truly was - just programmed to do so through this computer/card. He would need to then discard this PCI card and whatever computer he used. I was just told that even the kids' (our old) computers we have around here would be able to do the job.

This is the info he just sent me - http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/A...re+home+analog -- The example configurations show a variety of options. Also, Cisco makes this equipment and a test lab would have an abundance of these things sitting around out of inventory control.

sunshine05 · #**549** 03-19-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne130

I can't critisize her friend for not being more proactive. That should have been the husband's job. Most people don't immediately jump to panic mode when a friend doesn't show up. It's more expected that a spouse would go into panic mode when his wife doesn't show up. Credit to her for having a bad feeling and acting on it.

No, it's not a matter of her being/not being proactive. She should have told him EVERYTHING she knew since it was now becoming obvious she was missing. Since she knew BC didn't approve of the side painting job, why would she not have considered that NC may have lied to him about where she was going? She should have said "Something's wrong because she was supposed to be here this morning".

SleuthyGal · #**550** 03-19-2011, 09:17 PM

How exactly would that have changed the outcome?

Brad still wasn't going to call the police. He was planning to wait 24 hrs.

Nancy was already dead and discarded.

JA's experience with her friend was that she was dependable and *always* called if she needed to change plans. She testified to this. They HAD plans that morning. Instead of blowing off her friend and going about her day, she got increasingly worried. And she followed through.