State v Bradley Cooper 3-18-2011

[Just the Fax]

Originally Posted by Toadlily

If he didn't shop often then I could probably believe that he couldn't find juice. I wouldn't have believed it a couple of years ago, but after I broke my ankle my Dad offered to help out with doing grocery shopping for me. What is funny is that he shops for himself weekly and also shops at a HT, but when asked to come back with things that he didn't normally buy he was unable to find them or else came back with really random substitutions as he refused to ask an employee for help.

He came back telling me that they didn't carry hummus, but he got me margarine instead. (mmmm...baby carrots dipped in margarine LOL) Frozen biscuits? Yep, they were out of them the whole time that I wasn't able to make it down 3 flights of stairs too (but funnily enough when I was able to cruise around HT in that little electric cart--they were back in stock). He was able to find soy milk but that was because it was siting right next to the regular milk and some nice lady pointed him to the veggie burger freezer. And he brought me back more bags of frozen collards then I've ever seen outside of a grocery store as I said that they were high in calcium. So for 3 weeks I lived on PB sandwiches, baby carrots with no hummus and lots and lots of frozen collards. But that being said, I love my Dad and appreciated him coming over weekly to do this, but it just cracked me up when he'd get back with the random stuff.

Oh, but he did shop often....at that particular HT.
She would not be describing Tide, cause she used All.
We also know he was fully aware of the juice location, based on VIC card records.

[Just the Fax]

I was surprised they didn't call the exterminator right after the detective to bolster the testimony Brad cleared the right side of the garage on the morning of the murder.
IMO, it should have been before the ME so that part was hit home for the jury.

It seems evident they are not allowed to use the video from the depositions, as they could have easily illustrated some of his obvious lies in living color.

[Maja]

Need help understanding the reason for the objection to possible reason for BC's parents or brother possibly not being at the trial at any given time. Seemed the judge was really irritated.

[Just the Fax]

Originally Posted by Maja

Need help understanding the reason for the objection to possible reason for BC's parents or brother possibly not being at the trial at any given time. Seemed the judge was really irritated.

When did this happen and in what context?
Please provide video link w/ tag.

[NCB]

First post--please be easy on me... ;o)

I am finding the discussion from people (and hubbies) with technical know-how regarding the ways the calls might be placed (Asterisk, for example), very interesting. If a conviction is in the cards, it is imperative the prosecution actually make some real, concerete headway on issues such as this.

In a recent post, Albert recently mentioned the deposition video, Brad being in bed with the girls, and the reference to the hall light (according to Brad, this is how he saw the silhouette of Nancy when she returned from the party). It is also interesting to review Brad's statement specific to falling to sleep on the evening of the 11th. In his deposition, Brad states he fell asleep with the girls shortly after 9 p.m. and did not awaken until Nancy came home at 12:25 or 12:30 a.m. However, a subpoena states he accessed his email (to read Nancy's email) at 10:13PM. The contents of the email(s) will be very interesting. I haven't run across any info on the specifics. Ideas?

There are a lot of *odd* things in this case. I know it is still early days, but we had the ME on Friday, and, honestly, he didn't provide any "Brad did it" smoking gun. Ultimately, I have no idea what it all means, but (IMHO, of course), this case has become one big, slippery fish for the prosecution. They need to find a way to set the hook quickly, or this fish is in serious danger of entering "the one that got away" and "it was THIS big" fish tale territory.

[water_dancing]

Originally Posted by Maja

http://bit.ly/icOYuG


There is a bench across the street. Oh if only someone were to have been sitting there to witness activity on said night/morning.

Thanks for posting this. I can see where the optical illusion is.

However, the prosecution, at least not to this point, has not shown a larger view of the driveway/garage for the jury. The jury would need this to avoid the same interpretation that I originally made. I hope they do before they conclude their case.

Leaving loose ends like this is opening up the possibility of reasonable doubt. Maybe their case is strong enough with evidence not yet presented that they are not worried about it. However then why show the license plate to begin with?

[Just the Fax]

Yes, it is indeed an optical illusion. Brad' car would easily fit on the right side, as long as it had the full area to the right of the concrete spacer line....it did.
I agree, missing chances to hammer home these little details for the jury is not smart.
I can only hope they tie it all together in the closing .....Howard Cummings, please call in sick that day

[carolinalady]

Originally Posted by Just the Fax

Oh, but he did shop often....at that particular HT.
She would not be describing Tide, cause she used All.
We also know he was fully aware of the juice location, based on VIC card records.

Well, someone in the house was using the Tide, b/c she purchased lots of it at BJs over the years.

[SleuthyGal]

The jury is not going to see the inconsistencies in BC's stories between deposition and what he said in earlier affy's unless he takes the stand or unless those comments come out through other witnesses, if no parts of the depos can be played.

So what does that leave? Well, the prosecution needs to tie him to the murder scene--through some kind of physical evidence and/or prove that the phone calls did not come from Nancy. I don't know how they will prove the phone bit, but I remain curious about that.

As far as physical evidence, they better have something that they can point to that either came from the dump area, or some physical evidence of BC on NC's body, or some evidence that links NC being dead to still being in the house (or in BC's car). They need physical evidence that links BC to the murder, not just suggestions of what he could have and probably did.

I don't think the missing sticks in the foyer vase and the missing ducks and him doing a bunch of laundry are going to get the job done to get a jury over the line of reasonable doubt. They need more! (I hope they have it).

[Maja]

Originally Posted by Just the Fax

When did this happen and in what context?
Please provide video link w/ tag.

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/n...8/#/vid9252108

@ 28:00 or so minute mark and after.

[ncsu95]

Originally Posted by Just the Fax

I was surprised they didn't call the exterminator right after the detective to bolster the testimony Brad cleared the right side of the garage on the morning of the murder.
IMO, it should have been before the ME so that part was hit home for the jury.

It seems evident they are not allowed to use the video from the depositions, as they could have easily illustrated some of his obvious lies in living color.

I was thinking more about this and I understand why it can't be used. It would allow Brad the opportunity to testify without cross examination. If the prosecution could use parts of it, the defense would be able to as well. So they could simply show all the parts where Brad says he didn't do it and other positive points. So it makes sense.

[Just the Fax]

Originally Posted by carolinalady

Well, someone in the house was using the Tide, b/c she purchased lots of it at BJs over the years.

Regardless of brands, rest assured he knew which isle the detergents were on in his favorite store. Hmmm, one time he said he was doing laundry and ran out...another time he said Nancy was doing laundry, ran out, got made at him and sent him back to the store. Which is it Brad?

[carolinalady]

Would the green vegetable matter truly be just vegetable matter or would grass or some other type of vegetation qualify?

[carolinalady]

Originally Posted by Just the Fax

Regardless of brands, rest assured he knew which isle the detergents were on in his favorite store. Hmmm, one time he said he was doing laundry and ran out...another time he said Nancy was doing laundry, ran out, got made at him and sent him back to the store. Which is it Brad?

I agree that there is plenty of inconsistency. But, you keep pointing out that Nancy wouldn't have asked for Tide. I'm just pointing out that lots of Tide had been purchased over the years for that household. So, just the brand of detergent being Tide doesn't make or break his story.

[SleuthyGal]

Further on the 'proving he did it' point: while I agree that BC's super household cleaning is hinky to the nth degree, when he was known to not participate in maintaining the inside of the house, I don't know if a jury will see that as suspicious (as I do). It's a they-said vs. BC said.

[Just the Fax]

Originally Posted by ncsu95

I was thinking more about this and I understand why it can't be used. It would allow Brad the opportunity to testify without cross examination. If the prosecution could use parts of it, the defense would be able to as well. So they could simply show all the parts where Brad says he didn't do it and other positive points. So it makes sense.

What is the difference in quoting his statements to the cops? Often, the video is shown of an interrogation to the jury. I think the sworn video depositions should be allowed as long as the testimony is relevant to the criminal case. Remember, anything you say can be used against you. It was Brad's choice to sit for 8 hours of depositions and he was also fully aware of the consequences.

I'm still perplexed why it has not yet been used. Any legal eagle want to add anything?

[Just the Fax]

Originally Posted by carolinalady

I agree that there is plenty of inconsistency. But, you keep pointing out that Nancy wouldn't have asked for Tide. I'm just pointing out that lots of Tide had been purchased over the years for that household. So, just the brand of detergent being Tide doesn't make or break his story.

I retract the Tide vs All....you win.
It does not change my observation about the lengthy call

[cygnusx1]

Originally Posted by Just the Fax

She would not be describing Tide, cause she used All.

Because she just bought 30+ bottles of Tide HE at BJ's over the years and stored them in the attic.

[cygnusx1]

[quote=water_dancing;6233153]Thanks for posting this. I can see where the optical illusion is.
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There is no telling when that Google StreetView pic was taken. But it is clear that it is not the same day as the photo from the rear of the 325. In the pic, the X5's tires are practically on the concrete seam at the centerline of the driveway. In the GSV pic, there is 3-4" between the X5 tires and the seam.

[Just the Fax]

Don't ya think the defense would have made a HUGE deal of the car in the drive if it could not fit in the garage? Do you honestly think they would have missed that Perry Mason moment?

[Just the Fax]

Based on the state's opening, I am worried they don't have the hard evidence they need to convict. Like you said SG, opinions, odd behavior and inconsistent statements are not strong enough to send someone to prison for life. If they had DNA, a surprise witness that saw his car near Fielding Dr or perhaps his tire tracks or shoe prints at the dump site, I would have thought it would have been mentioned in the opening. Kurtz has everything the DA has and he seems pretty confident the VOIP angle cannot be proven. The longer the state's case labors on, I have serious doubt they are presenting anywhere near enough to convince this jury to convict. No, not 'innocent', but not guilty because there was reasonable doubt.

[cygnusx1]

Originally Posted by Just the Fax

Don't ya think the defense would have made a HUGE deal of the car in the drive if it could not fit in the garage? Do you honestly think they would have missed that Perry Mason moment?

As I recall, the latest discussion here about the garage was not whether or not the car could fit EVER, but rather whether or not he could have maneuvered around the X5 (assuming he didn't move it that night; which would draw attention) into the garage in order to place her body into the trunk. The LE pic shows the X5 positioned in such a way that it would be difficult.

ETA: Here's the post at the beginning of this thread of the cars in the drive on 7/12.

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[less0305]

Originally Posted by otto

The water is never actually shut off where I live. It's threatened, but it doesn't happen. Is the water actually shut off in North Carolina if the bill is late one month? ... was the bill late months at a time? Was Brad ever away during these shut offs and did Nancy ever pay the bill when she was still on the accounts? How long between paying the bill ... and actually having the utilities shut off in NC?

There's a hookup charge of about $150 if there's a cut off here. Were the Coopers paying a hookup charge each time, or were they simply frequently late with payment? It seems odd to me that their water was often "off". Did they go to the neighbors or the gym to shower?

I work in municipal government. Yes, the water is actually shut off. Disconnect day at our office is a ZOO!!! The water works employees take the list of non-paid accounts out at 8 a.m. and proceed to turn off every meter on the list. People wake up - or see them in the yard and immediately go into panic mode. They call, run down to the office, run out into the street trying to stop the employees. But they must pay the reconnect fee and past due amount and then we send the water works employees back out to the house to turn the water back on at the meter. We have had people wait two, three, four, five days to come in and pay the fee for reconnect and get their water back on. I assume they go to relatives or friends and do their business during that time. Towns and cities charge a connection fee and deposit at the beginning of their account and then a reconnect fee when water is disconnected for non-payment. Each city/town can set their own fees. My little town charges $100 deposit for a water account and then a $35 reconnect fee.

[Just the Fax]

Originally Posted by cygnusx1

As I recall, the latest discussion here about the garage was not whether or not the car could fit EVER, but rather whether or not he could have maneuvered around the X5 (assuming he didn't move it that night; which would draw attention) into the garage in order to place her body into the trunk. The LE pic shows the X5 positioned in such a way that it would be difficult.

If that were true, you think the defense would not have brought that point up in some way to the detective during cross?

Like I suggested to NCSU95, go over there for yourself and you can plainly see his BMW would fit EASILY into the garage based on the CPD photo.

[carolinalady]

Originally Posted by less0305

I work in municipal government. Yes, the water is actually shut off. Disconnect day at our office is a ZOO!!! The water works employees take the list of non-paid accounts out at 8 a.m. and proceed to turn off every meter on the list. People wake up - or see them in the yard and immediately go into panic mode. They call, run down to the office, run out into the street trying to stop the employees. But they must pay the reconnect fee and past due amount and then we send the water works employees back out to the house to turn the water back on at the meter. We have had people wait two, three, four, five days to come in and pay the fee for reconnect and get their water back on. I assume they go to relatives or friends and do their business during that time. Towns and cities charge a connection fee and deposit at the beginning of their account and then a reconnect fee when water is disconnected for non-payment. Each city/town can set their own fees. My little town charges $100 deposit for a water account and then a $35 reconnect fee.

I looked at the Town of Cary website and found this about disconnections:

Service Disconnection/Reconnection

Utility services are subject to disconnection for nonpayment 10 days beyond the due date. Reconnection will only be made upon the payment of the past due amount, including late penalties and nonpayment fees. If you cannot pay your bill by the due date, it may be possible to make payment arrangements by contacting the Customer Accounting Division at (919) 469-4050.

Non-Payment Fee - Water

Fee for non-payment of past-due charges and resumption of service when service is disconnected by the town due to nonpayment of water charges:

* During town business hours: $ 33
* Any other time: $ 48