WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

[SMK]

Originally Posted by otto

It is mentioned in the Judge's summary, and Dr Sollecito is the source. Raffaele caused great concern at school and in his father because of his interest in beastiality film.

But if we are even to grant this whole thing about beastiality, why then the attack on Meredith, with no animals? I fail to see how this proves involvement. Of course Dr. Sollecito voiced concern before the court, but did he take him to a psychiatrist? did Raff receive treatment?

[otto]

Originally Posted by Allusonz

It simply does not give anyone the right to misinterpret what an article states. I have actually found AK's family to be very quiet throughout these proceedings, and I certainly cannot see them disrepecting the Court especially at such a critical stage as this.

So we should assume that it was some other Knox supporters ... simply because we know it is really trashy for the Knox supporters we know to be heckling reporters about the truth?

As for the Knox family being respectful in the courtroom, I beg to differ. They dolled up 14 year old girl with gobs of makeup, dressed her in a tight t-shirt and hot pants, and sneaked her into the courtroom. They were dressed the same way. That's anything but respectful of the court process ... but ... that's my opinion. I have no doubt others will say that it is perfectly normal to sneak a 14 year old into a courtroom by whatever means are necessary.

[Allusonz]

Originally Posted by otto

So we should assume that it was some other Knox supporters ... simply because we know it is really trashy for the Knox supporters we know to be heckling reporters about the truth?

As for the Knox family being respectful in the courtroom, I beg to differ. They dolled up 14 year old girl with gobs of makeup, dressed her in a tight t-shirt and hot pants, and sneaked her into the courtroom. They were dressed the same way. That's anything but respectful of the court process ... but ... that's my opinion. I have no doubt others will say that it is perfectly normal to sneak a 14 year old into a courtroom by whatever means are necessary.

Or maybe assume that it may never of happened? Or maybe it turned out to actually be Italian supporters of whom she does not even know? Alot is said and attributed to her even though she herself has no control over the people allowed into the courtroom

[otto]

Originally Posted by SMK

But if we are even to grant this whole thing about beastiality, why then the attack on Meredith, with no animals? I fail to see how this proves involvement. Of course Dr. Sollecito voiced concern before the court, but did he take him to a psychiatrist? did Raff receive treatment?

It seems you've forgotten the context of the remark.

You said:

Originally Posted by SMK

To my thinking, his use of hard drugs might have cause certain neurological or other peculiararites.

I replied:

Originally Posted by otto

Raffaele had deviant sexual interests, like beastiality, but he was not diagnosed as having any neurological disorders.

You don't have to "grant the whole thing about beastiality". It could have been some other guy and Dr Sollecito was maybe coerced by the prosecutor into claiming that his son had deviant sexual interests.

[Allusonz]

Originally Posted by otto

So we should assume that it was some other Knox supporters ... simply because we know it is really trashy for the Knox supporters we know to be heckling reporters about the truth?

As for the Knox family being respectful in the courtroom, I beg to differ. They dolled up 14 year old girl with gobs of makeup, dressed her in a tight t-shirt and hot pants, and sneaked her into the courtroom. They were dressed the same way. That's anything but respectful of the court process ... but ... that's my opinion. I have no doubt others will say that it is perfectly normal to sneak a 14 year old into a courtroom by whatever means are necessary.

I think bringing her sister into this conversation takes it to a new low. AK has no control over what she wears, the amount of makeup used by her, or even people said "perceptions" of such that may only be their OWN perceptions and no one elses.

[SMK]

Otto: Our DSM defines beastiality as a rare paraphilia: Was Dr. Sollecito informed to get treatment for his son? and how does this paraphilia fit in with an attack on Meredith Kercher?

Uncommon paraphilias

BESTIALITY. Bestiality is a term that describes sexual feelings or behaviors involving animals. Termed zoophilia by DSM-IV this is an uncommon disorder. The disorder does not specify an animal or category of animals; the person with zoophilia may focus sexual feelings on domesticated animals, such as dogs, or farm animals, such as sheep or goats.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/P...#ixzz1IPnCaYve
OK, just read your other------do recall you and Nova going back and forth RE beastiality or not.

[otto]

Originally Posted by Allusonz

Or maybe assume that it may never of happened? Or maybe it turned out to actually be Italian supporters of whom she does not even know? Alot is said and attributed to her even though she herself has no control over the people allowed into the courtroom

Nadeau wasn't writing about Knox, or what she had no control over. She was writing about the "Knox supporters" ... those people that we've come to know as Chris Mellas, Deanna, and Amanda's one friend from Seattle.

[Allusonz]

I find it unusual that the 4 friends with him supposedly at the time of this testified they did not watch this, let alone have an educator speak to them or their parents over this

[otto]

Originally Posted by SMK

Otto: Our DSM defines beastiality as a rare paraphilia: Was Dr. Sollecito informed to get treatment for his son? and how does this paraphilia fit in with an attack on Meredith Kercher?

Uncommon paraphilias

BESTIALITY. Bestiality is a term that describes sexual feelings or behaviors involving animals. Termed zoophilia by DSM-IV this is an uncommon disorder. The disorder does not specify an animal or category of animals; the person with zoophilia may focus sexual feelings on domesticated animals, such as dogs, or farm animals, such as sheep or goats.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/P...#ixzz1IPnCaYve
OK, just read your other------do recall you and Nova going back and forth RE beastiality or not.

What is a DSM?

Hey, feel free to think an interest in beastiality is normal. Personally, I view it as deviant behavior. You're asking me what the doctor did when he learned that his son had this particular deviant behavior? There's some info in the Judge's summary (I've linked it often enough that you should be able to find it), and the rest of the info is in the lengthy statement that Dr Sollecito and Raffaele's school provided to the court (not available online). Raffaele's behavior was closely monitored after this problem was identified.

[Allusonz]

Originally Posted by otto

Nadeau wasn't writing about Knox, or what she had no control over. She was writing about the "Knox supporters" ... those people that we've come to know as Chris Mellas, Deanna, and Amanda's one friend from Seattle.

I also find it unusual that no one else reported this. What I find to be even more absurd is that it is assumed that the "supporters" were the FAMILY by you

[otto]

Originally Posted by Allusonz

I find it unusual that the 4 friends with him supposedly at the time of this testified they did not watch this, let alone have an educator speak to them or their parents over this

Do you have a link about the "four friends"? This is the first I've heard of four friends. (I mean a link that is not a blog or personal opinion on another website)

[Allusonz]

For some reason this reminds me of people deciding they can determine from a photograph where hair has been shampoo'd or not

100,000 people could look at the same photo and never come to the same conclusion as you or myself

[Allusonz]

Originally Posted by otto

Do you have a link about the "four friends"? This is the first I've heard of four friends. (I mean a link that is not a blog or personal opinion on another website)

Obviously is not true that he was watching porn. The college mates don't even know about that single porn-watching episode that was witnessed by the college educator.

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/20...-speaking.html

Frank is the one that attends all the court dates

[otto]

Originally Posted by Allusonz

I also find it unusual that no one else reported this. What I find to be even more absurd is that it is assumed that the "supporters" were the FAMILY by you

You bet. I assume that Knox supporters includes Knox's family and friends. Weird huh.

[Allusonz]

Otto and Malkmus thank you to you both for your warm words and thoughts. I think highly of both of you and it meant a great deal to me. I apologize seems you guys have moved on to a new thread since I was last on.

As well thank you ohiogirl!!! seems I have alot of catching up you guys have been busy beavers

Malkmus many thoughts and prayers your way!!!!

[otto]

Originally Posted by Allusonz

For some reason this reminds me of people deciding they can determine from a photograph where hair has been shampoo'd or not

100,000 people could look at the same photo and never come to the same conclusion as you or myself

... or the dimensions of a foot print based on a picture from the internet.

[otto]

Originally Posted by Allusonz

Obviously is not true that he was watching porn. The college mates don't even know about that single porn-watching episode that was witnessed by the college educator.

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/20...-speaking.html

Frank is the one that attends all the court dates

I didn't say anything about him watching porn. Where did you get that from!

[SMK]

Originally Posted by otto

What is a DSM?

Hey, feel free to think an interest in beastiality is normal. Personally, I view it as deviant behavior. You're asking me what the doctor did when he learned that his son had this particular deviant behavior? There's some info in the Judge's summary (I've linked it often enough that you should be able to find it), and the rest of the info is in the lengthy statement that Dr Sollecito and Raffaele's school provided to the court (not available online). Raffaele's behavior was closely monitored after this problem was identified.

DSM is
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - i never said beastiality is normal; i pointed it out as a paraphilia-----but what does it have to do with an attack on Meredith? just wondering.

[SMK]

Originally Posted by otto

You bet. I assume that Knox supporters includes Knox's family and friends. Weird huh.

I find it odd that Nadeau would not tell us it was Mellas, Knox, and Paxton, but simply speak of "supporters" within the public area. BTW, I saw no other reports of this "guttural growling"...

[otto]

Originally Posted by SMK

DSM is
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - i never said beastiality is normal; i pointed it out as a paraphilia-----but what does it have to do with an attack on Meredith? just wondering.

Well, I don't know. You were wondering if he had a neurological disorder. I said that he didn't have a neurological disorder, but he has a history of deviant sexual behavior.

It's like asking if he has a congenital disorder, I said no he has a behavioral disorder.

What does a behavioral disorder of sexual deviance have to do with the sexual assault and violent murder of a young woman? Perhaps it is at the core of the conviction.

[SMK]

Originally Posted by otto

Well, I don't know. You were wondering if he had a neurological disorder. I said that he didn't have a neurological disorder, but he has a history of deviant sexual behavior.

It's like asking if he has a congenital disorder, I said no he has a behavioral disorder.

What does a behavioral disorder of sexual deviance have to do with the sexual assault and violent murder of a young woman? Perhaps it is at the core of the conviction.

I know---this is what troubles me, that they may have leapt to a conclusion due to this young man's troubled personality. Rudy may have simply done a burglary, rape, and slashing---yet Raffaele is drawn in due to his "strangeness". Yes, that is the crux which I find very worrisome.

[otto]

Originally Posted by SMK

I know---this is what troubles me, that they may have leapt to a conclusion due to this young man's troubled personality. Rudy may have simply done a burglary, rape, and slashing---yet Raffaele is drawn in due to his "strangeness". Yes, that is the crux which I find very worrisome.

I doubt that Raffaele's interest in beastiality became known to police and as a result he was arrested for murder..

[sherlockh]

Originally Posted by Salem

Regardless of the growling, I really liked this article: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...tory-testimony

Seems pretty clear and concise without the usual bias in most of the articles seen.

Thanks!

Salem

Thanks. Unfortunately this seems to be rare these days. Maybe I read too many blogs on the subject because most articles seem to have some kind of bias one way or the other. I even read articles on the knife retesting that 'there was not enough DNA to convict'. How in the world does one jump to that conclusion based on that one retest is beyond me. At least Barbie just reports without jumping to any conclusions. She basically says we simply have to wait till everyone is finished with their testing and reports, and then nobody knows exactly how the court will weigh the evidence and draw their conclusions until the final ruling is there. I couldn't agree more

[SMK]

Originally Posted by otto

I doubt that Raffaele's interest in beastiality became known to police and as a result he was arrested for murder..

That is not what I am saying. I am saying that Raffaele and Amanda came under intense scrutiny, and it was conjectured without solid evidence that they had to have been there with Rudy. I find no conclusive evidence for this, wish I did.

[SMK]

Originally Posted by sherlockh

Thanks. Unfortunately this seems to be rare these days. Maybe I read too many blogs on the subject because most articles seem to have some kind of bias one way or the other. I even read articles on the knife retesting that 'there was not enough DNA to convict'. How in the world does one jump to that conclusion based on that one retest is beyond me. At least Barbie just reports without jumping to any conclusions. She basically says we simply have to wait till everyone is finished with their testing and reports, and then nobody knows exactly how the court will weigh the evidence and draw their conclusions until the final ruling is there. I couldn't agree more

But isn't Barbie the author of a book in which Knox is viewed as guilty? Angel Face: The True Story of Student Killer Amanda Knox