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Old 04-07-2011, 02:11 PM
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I believe they had a joint account until sometime near the end of Feb. 2008
So Nancy deposited the money into the joint acount even though Brad was having an affair with another woman and the marriage was on the rocks?
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:12 PM
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Except she never had a job and no means to pay off the mortgage holder.
Oh, I know... but there was testimony that one of the ideas was to buy Brad out of the house. That to me meant that she wanted to buy Brad's half of joint property and then he would leave the home. And then she would stay at the house with alimony and child support - at least for the time being. I imagine she thought she would pay the mortgage out of the alimony/child support award - and also the distributive award (was it $50,000).
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:13 PM
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So Nancy deposited the money into the joint acount even though Brad was having an affair with another woman and the marriage was on the rocks?
I didn't think she knew about the affair at the time she got the $24,000.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:15 PM
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Also, you guys have to realize they came here in 2000. I think they bought the house in Jan of 2001. There was a completely different financial climate post-9/11 of that year that would have discriminated against Nancy when she got around to 2007 or 2008 and trying to get her own accounts.
Not really - in 2007 Bank of America announced they would open accounts for ILLEGAL immigrants. Credit Unions specifically servicing the Latino population - some illegal - were cropping up to help safeguard their money because they were getting to be such easy targets for robbery since they lived in all cash.

I just went to the Bank of America website and started to open an account. If you don't have a SS number- you have to do it at a branch with an acceptable form of ID and I copied / pasted what was in the pop up box for acceptable ID's:

You can apply for an account in person at any Bank of America banking center by presenting the following valid forms of identification:

* U.S. government-issued TIN;
* Passport number and country of issuance;
* Alien identification card number; or
* Number and country of issuance of any other government-issued document evidencing nationality or residence and bearing a photograph or similar safeguard


So - there were NO ISSUES opening a bank account.
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The buffering was horrible. I thought Nancy and Brad only wanted about 8 grand to pay for the divorce lawyer. They said they would pay them back when they sold the house??????
I understood that she asked for money for a lawyer, and also for money to buy out Brad's interest in the house. It sounds like there was a lot of confusion about what was happening between April and June ... the father said that Brad was renting a u-haul to help with the move, but we heard from Nancy's friend that she was driving to Ontario by herself. It sounds like the decision in June was that Nancy would stay in NC, so she wanted to buy Brad's interest in the house.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:16 PM
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It's interesting that Nancy asked her parents for another $160k even though she had no means to repay that amount. It sounds like the parents gave equal amounts of money to the four siblings, so Nancy was, in a way, asking the parents to give them another $600k ... which is quite the request, IMO.
Okay, I could be all wrong, won't be the first time, BUT, the way I interpreted the testimony concerning the mortgage.... Nancy figured when splitting up the assets, the mortgage on the home would be 160 K. She could then get a loan in her name only, for 160K on her house, pay her parents back the 160K leaving herself with a manageable monthy mortgage payment for herself and the girls, still intending that eventually Brad would get the paperwork in order for her to be allowed to work in this country. MOO
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:20 PM
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Okay, I could be all wrong, won't be the first time, BUT, the way I interpreted the testimony concerning the mortgage.... Nancy figured when splitting up the assets, the mortgage on the home would be 160 K. She could then get a loan in her name only, for 160K on her house, pay her parents back the 160K leaving herself with a manageable monthy mortgage payment for herself and the girls, still intending that eventually Brad would get the paperwork in order for her to be allowed to work in this country. MOO
That's what I understood too ... that Nancy believed that the amount owing was $160k and that half the value of the house was $160 ... so in borrowing $160k, she could buy out Brad's interest in the house (equal to the mortgage; pay out the mortgage) and live there with the children.
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The refi mortgage for the house was taken out in 2003 - $238K and then a second mortage in 2005 for $24K (which was increased to $79K in Feb 2008).

They owed way more on that house than $160K or even $190K in 2008

Having any equity in the house is contrary to their spending habits - and it's quite possible that Mr Rentz was not given an accurate picture of what it would cost to buy Brad out of the house.


You know, come to think of it, it is *possible* Nancy didn't have any idea how much was owed on the house. If Nancy didn't have a SS #, was she even listed on the loan for the house, I wonder? I realize she was listed on the deed to the house, but was she listed on the loan, I wonder? Could Brad have done any of these things himself? Refinance? etc., without Nancy's signature? Just a thought?
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Just thinking out loud (or in type here)....unless BC killed NC in self-defense, and we have heard or read nothing about self-defense, NC did not deserve to be killed by BC.

So no matter how much she spent, was out with friends, didn't clean, talked bad about BC and on and on...any discussion about NC's behavior in this regard is bashing the victim.

If some other dude did it - then both of the Cooper's have been destroyed. Not saying SODDI.

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I wonder if Nancy even knew. The house may have only been in his name. He may have done the refinancing without her knowledge.
Sorry, I should have read further before posting the same thing.
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So Nancy deposited the money into the joint acount even though Brad was having an affair with another woman and the marriage was on the rocks?
It was in early Jan. 2007 that they gave the children the money. Before all the affair stuff was discussed. The marriage wasn't really on the rocks until Jan. 2008.
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You know, come to think of it, it is *possible* Nancy didn't have any idea how much was owed on the house. If Nancy didn't have a SS #, was she even listed on the loan for the house, I wonder? I realize she was listed on the deed to the house, but was she listed on the loan, I wonder? Could Brad have done any of these things himself? Refinance? etc., without Nancy's signature? Just a thought?
Her signature would've been required b/c she is listed on the deed and that property is collateral for the loans. And those documents would be signed in front of bank personnel/notary public.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:25 PM
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What is SODDI? and what is MOO?
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:26 PM
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Some Other Dude Did It

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Old 04-07-2011, 02:29 PM
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HiDiHo follks..Geesh Car Issues this morning Gerrrrrrrrrrrr

Anyway, we are due back soon??.. I did some reading...so assume No FBI witnesses yet..also Did they finish with Nancy's Father yet???

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Old 04-07-2011, 02:31 PM
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Just thinking out loud (or in type here)....unless BC killed NC in self-defense, and we have heard or read nothing about self-defense, NC did not deserve to be killed by BC.

So no matter how much she spent, was out with friends, didn't clean, talked bad about BC and on and on...any discussion about NC's behavior in this regard is bashing the victim.

If some other dude did it - then both of the Cooper's have been destroyed. Not saying SODDI.
I think talking bad about BC (whether true or untrue) is relevant because a majority of testimony in this case is what NC told her friends/family about BC.

How much she was out with friends is relevant because one of the questions in this case is how much did BC care for those children. Someone had to be taking care of those kids.

Some days you can say there's been borderline bashing of the victim but I haven't seen any of that today. Are we just not allowed to talk about NC at all?
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HiDiHo follks..Geesh Car Issues this morning Gerrrrrrrrrrrr

Anyway, we are due back soon??.. I did some reading...so assume No FBI witnesses yet..also Did they finish with Nancy's Father yet???

No FBI yet, Nancy's dad still on the stand. Think he will be there to introduce depostion probably.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:37 PM
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:38 PM
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I think talking bad about BC (whether true or untrue) is relevant because a majority of testimony in this case is what NC told her friends/family about BC.

How much she was out with friends is relevant because one of the questions in this case is how much did BC care for those children. Someone had to be taking care of those kids.

Some days you can say there's been borderline bashing of the victim but I haven't seen any of that today. Are we just not allowed to talk about NC at all?
I didn't mean to discourage discussion. My apologies.
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How much she was out with friends is relevant because one of the questions in this case is how much did BC care for those children. Someone had to be taking care of those kids.

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In the very early years of my marriage I was in a similar postion as Nancy, in that I was stuck at home with two babies, no car, and my husband worked all day, and went to school a couple nights a week. In the cold/snow of winter, there was no way to go anywhere with two babies and no car. On occasion, weather permitting, I could take a bus, or if no snow, use baby carriage. No easy feat either way. In those days my husband really was not yet into *childcare*. When he wasn't at work or school, there were many MANY nights he did homework from school, I put the kids down to sleep, and escaped the house to be with other adults, my friends. Just because he was there in the house at the time, I wouldn't have called what my husband did 'taking care of the kids'. In fact, one day I made plans with my friends to make candles on a Saturday. That was the one and only time I left my kids with hubby for any length of time, hours. When I got home he had them in bed, for the day/night. It was like 4:00 pm, and they were supposedly 'down for the night' cause hubby had 'had it'. He was certain they had to have been MUCH WORSE than normal. Yeah, I got them back up again and said 'welcome to MY world.'
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Yikes...Whats with the Feed today..Buffering every 5 seconds
Can someone there call and tell them to increase their bandwidth Pleeeeezze???..It appears Mr. Rentz has lost some weight?
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According to this article, you may NOT get a U.S. Social Security card if you're an immigrant, UNLESS you have permission from DHS to work in the U.S. or are a verified foreign student.
This article is incorrect because I know for a fact, personally, you do not need work authorization to obtain a SSN. I accompanied a friend to the SSA to get a SSN who was not able to work in the US.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:50 PM
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Oh dear. Having to explain what they told oldest child why mommy wasn't coming home. She was so hurt her body couldn't be mended so she's with the angels.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:52 PM
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I'm truly in awe of Mr. Rentz. He is so composed, professional, and really does not come across as biased. He has said nice things about BC. BC was very lucky to have them as inlaws. What was he thinking (even if he is innocent, he was not a great son in law, treating their daughter the way he did).
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