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Old 04-18-2011, 04:29 PM
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NV - Patrick Carnes, 86, Wells, 13-Apr-2011

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Police Need Help Finding Missing Elderly Man

http://www.ktvn.com/story/14467843/p...ng-missing-man

Posted: Apr 18, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
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Elderly man traveling to Reno reported missing

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Elderly Man Missing Since Last Week Still Nowhere to Be Found

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/120520579.html

Posted: 11:49 PM Apr 22, 2011
Reporter: Terri Russell
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RENO, NV - If you were to go missing, these are the guys you'd want in the search. A son who is worried sick. A brother who is a former police detective. A nephew who makes his living as a private investigator.
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America's Most Wanted

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Nevada Cops: Bizarre Disappearance of WWII Vet, Dog

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Patrick and his dog, Lucky, were heading home to Reno when they both mysteriously vanished on April 13, 2011.
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Elderly man missing in Nevada

http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/lo...sing-in-Nevada

Updated: Tuesday, 26 Apr 2011, 12:29 AM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 26 Apr 2011, 12:29 AM EDT
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WELLS, Nev. (WUPW) - A Northwest Ohio family is praying their elderly loved one is found alive.
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Police: Nevada man's disappearance eerily similar to other cases

http://www.ktvb.com/home/Investigato...121416299.html

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WELLS, Nev. -- A Nevada man traveling from Ohio back to his home in Reno three weeks ago never made it.
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New Leads, Possible Links in Missing Man Case

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines...122080779.html

Posted: 9:03 PM May 17, 2011
Reporter: Ed Pearce
Email Address: ed.pearce@kolotv.com

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More than a month after he disappeared, the whereabouts of an 86 year old Reno man remains a mystery, but investigators have new leads to follow.
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Authorities to resume search for missing man

http://www.magicvalley.com/news/loca...cc4c03286.html

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:50 pm

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Morton said he has been in contact with both Chretien's family and that of Patrick Carnes, who was also reported missing in April. The Humboldt County Sheriff's Office has had routine searches for Carnes ever since his car was found at the Pumpernickel Valley off-ramp near Winnemucca on Interstate 80 with his personal effects - including check book - still in the car. Neither Carnes nor his dog has been found.
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Tonight's show of Coast to Coast AM will be discussing missing people in Nevada, with Carnes' son on the show.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/06/24
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On Coast to Coast, I heard them discuss the GPS tracking devices on big rigs. If the Carnes family or any police are reading this, I'd like to add a few ideas that weren't discussed on the show. I've never driven, but I did work in management for nearly a decade and have heard a lot of "tricks of the trade" from the drivers.

The GPS devices can be manipulated by the drivers and often are. I've heard of drivers putting metal buckets over those white round GPS transponders (or whatever they're called) up near the roofs of the cabs. Another thing that can be done is to go into the box on the side of the cab where gloves and such are often stored, and unplug the device. I've personally seen this done with Freightliner trucks using the Qualcomm tracking/messaging system.

Drivers do this for two reasons. The most common is to drive illegally, driving more hours than they're legally allowed to be on duty. After their hours and logbooks catch up, they plug it back in.

Another reason is to take a truck out of route unauthorized. This is usually done by drivers taking a load by their house unauthorized when their home is way out of route. After they get back onto the route, they plug it back in.

My former roommate, who had previously been one of my drivers, once told me a few years ago about how he once had a load going through Nevada and he unplugged his Qualcomm satellite locator in order to go WAY out of route to the Moonlight Bunny Ranch, a legal prostitution establishment in Nevada.

Someone could conceivably kill a person in their truck, then unplug their GPS tracking device, drive a long distance away to dump the body, drive back onto the scheduled route, and plug it back in.

One missing person who I didn't hear discussed on the show is Adam Blanchard. Please look at his thread in the missing people area of this website. There seems to be a possibility these two are related.

Adam Blanchard was staying at a motel in Ely, Nevada and went missing this spring just like Patrick Carnes. Two reasons I think they could be related are as follows. 1: Ely is off Highway US-93 which intersects I-80 in Wells, where Mr. Carnes was last seen. 2: Mr. Carnes told the cop he was tired and may have went to a motel. Obviously, he wouldn't have gone down to Ely and the motel where Mr. Blanchard stayed, but perhaps a perpetrator is jacking people at various motels in the region or even at rest areas or other places people could try to catch a nap.
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Old 06-25-2011, 05:22 PM
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Here's the NAMPN link for Patrick
http://www.nampn.org/hot/carnes_patrick.html

Also the police are looking for information about a specific truck that Patrick indicated he was following (and he had communicated with the driver) just prior to his disappearance.


And here's the above photo with the unrelated truck cropped out & contrast tweaked.
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Here's the NAMPN link for Patrick
http://www.nampn.org/hot/carnes_patrick.html

Also the police are looking for information about a specific truck that Patrick indicated he was following (and he had communicated with the driver) just prior to his disappearance.


And here's the above photo with the unrelated truck cropped out & contrast tweaked.
Thanks a million for the photos. I heard the photos discussed and have been wanting to see them.
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Wow, that's a tough one.

I think there's a letter O being represented by a globe or a ball, but the others are hard to distinguish. The last one sort of looks like it could be a C, but whatever is before the O is very hard to determine with any amount of accuracy.

It must be a very small outfit since nobody has identified it yet. Coast to Coast AM is extremely popular with truckers and it's very surprising the drivers who called had so many different theories as to the company. I heard about four different drivers call in and guess it was about four different companies.

And, of course, the trailer company may not necessarily correspond directly with with the truck, for various reasons.
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It looks like there's possibly a corrosive placard on the left door, but I don't see a placard on the side. If it was a corrosive load, it was likely a load of vehicle batteries.
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:01 PM
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Wow, that's a tough one.

I think there's a letter O being represented by a globe or a ball, but the others are hard to distinguish. The last one sort of looks like it could be a C, but whatever is before the O is very hard to determine with any amount of accuracy.

It must be a very small outfit since nobody has identified it yet. Coast to Coast AM is extremely popular with truckers and it's very surprising the drivers who called had so many different theories as to the company. I heard about four different drivers call in and guess it was about four different companies.

And, of course, the trailer company may not necessarily correspond directly with with the truck, for various reasons.

I spent several hours at fleetdirectory.com looking at different company websites, hoping to find a logo that matched the general shape of what is on the back of that truck but didn't find anything that jumped out at me.

I listened to Coast to Coast last night & compared the Panther & Star (transport & leasing) company logos with it but they weren't quite right.

It is a tough one!
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That was a good idea and effort though.

I wish I could find my loupe so I could get a closer look at the placard. If it's corrosive, perhaps the police's best bet would probably be to check with Exide and other battery companies to see who picked up loads that would've gone westbound on I-80 in Nevada during that time frame.

Did Mr. Carnes have a CB radio in his car? If not, I doubt he would've caught back up with the trucker anyway. Maybe he got off at the next exit with a truck stop to see if the trucker also got off to wait on him. Maybe he met foul play at a truck stop if that happened. There are often prostitutes (a.k.a. lot lizards) and other seedy types of people at truck stops, but as a former trucker, Mr. Carnes would've known how rough truck stops are.

It takes an especially rotten person or people to do harm to a WWII veteran and a dog!
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I tried to tweak the photo a little more.

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That was a good idea and effort though.

I wish I could find my loupe so I could get a closer look at the placard. If it's corrosive, perhaps the police's best bet would probably be to check with Exide and other battery companies to see who picked up loads that would've gone westbound on I-80 in Nevada during that time frame.

Did Mr. Carnes have a CB radio in his car? If not, I doubt he would've caught back up with the trucker anyway. Maybe he got off at the next exit with a truck stop to see if the trucker also got off to wait on him. Maybe he met foul play at a truck stop if that happened. There are often prostitutes (a.k.a. lot lizards) and other seedy types of people at truck stops, but as a former trucker, Mr. Carnes would've known how rough truck stops are.

It takes an especially rotten person or people to do harm to a WWII veteran and a dog!

I don't think he did have a CB radio in his vehicle.
The officer who pulled Mr. Carnes over seemed to have gotten the impression that he had spoken, in person, with the driver. I will have to go back & relisten to the show to clarify details though.

Yes, it would take an especially rotten person!
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Listening to the Coast to Coast AM show again & posting details the guests shared.

Info from Humboldt County Nevada Under-Sheriff Curtiss Kull
- Patrick's vehicle (a Subaru) found April 14 off the I-80 Freeway (205/Pumpernickel Valley off-ramp near Winnemucca, NV), sitting in the sagebrush, appeared to have been dumped.
- Found in same location as another missing person's (Judith Casida) vehicle was found some time before. (Judith Casida still has not been located.)
- Does not look like anyone rifled through the items in Pat's vehicle.
- Vehicle is in good working order, no indication of car trouble.
- No evidence (fingerprints/fiber/etc) found in car.
- No activity on Patrick's accounts.
- No evidence that the trucker in the unidentified truck is guilty of anything. He may be the last person (before highway trooper) to see Pat alive & may have important information.
- Unidentified truck has side-mounted fuel tanks.
- Hotels/motels in Elko & Wells were checked but no clues or information found.

About Patrick F. Carnes
- Returning from a trip to Toledo, Ohio with his dog, Lucky
- In his 80's but still had his wits about him according to his son, Jim Carnes
- May have been walking with a limp
- Drove a truck for Conway many years ago & felt a connection with truckers
- Does NOT have a cell phone.
- Very unlikely to have picked up hitchhiker due to an incident involving his son (Ken) & a hitchhiker. Ken was robbed & shot by hitchhiker near Ely, NV.
- No credit cards to track. Paid cash for everything.
- Does not carry a firearm.
- Not a gambler. Does not drink alcohol.
- Stayed in a motel in Cheyenne, Wyoming during his trip.
- Son says highly unlikely Pat would visit a brothel. ("No sir, he would not. No Way.)

Traffic Stop Details
- On April 13, just before 9 pm, Patrick was pulled over, near Wells, NV, for not moving into far lane as he passed an officer in the process of a different traffic stop. (Law in NV, to prevent officers on the side of the road from being hit by traffic.)
- During audio of traffic stop Pat is recorded saying "I'm only following him because he's going to Elko."
- The "him" was the driver of a big rig truck that Pat said he was following. (truck is shown in photos I posted earlier in this thread)
- Trooper does not believe Pat exited at Wells, Nevada.

About Lucky
- Mixed breed (websites say Akita/mixed, Jim Carnes says Shepherd Mix)
- Large, about 100 lbs, somewhat overweight, described as a "coffee table with legs", about 22 inches tall
- Very friendly dog
- Chipped & licensed (not a GPS chip, chipped at pound where Pat adopted him)
- Animal Control in surrounding areas was contacted the day the vehicle was found & notified to be on the look-out for Lucky.

Caller Tips
(not all tips, only those with specific names)
- Three callers think it's a Star Leasing trailer.
- Could be a Swift logo
- Another caller thinks it's a Kriska logo
- Panther Trucking (Panther Expedite/Expediting) is also mentioned
- Old style Aurora Trailer Leasing logo?
- Another caller mentions Schillig Trucking as a potential match
- Star Transport mentioned twice as a possibility.
- Two callers think it looks like a Peterbilt.
- Pride Transportation out of Salt Lake City, Utah mentioned.

Ok, I think I caught all of the pertinent info (and some that's probably not)!
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The Coast 2 Coast article reads that Pat was stopped by a police officer for a traffic violation at 9:00 p.m. I am confused here. The cam of the passing semi has the numbers 02:12 now is that the minutes the camera was running or was it the time of day?

Also I am wondering why an 86 year old man would be driving at that time of night. I know lots of people in that age range and they all tell me they don't like driving at night. So maybe that is why Pat was following the rig.

Also I think elderly people have to use the bathroom more than younger people so I am wondering was there a rest stop before he got pulled over by the policeman? Did Pat meet his perp at the rest stop? The Perp could be a local area resident. And that resident travels that stretch of road.

Also both Carnes and Casida's vehicles were found on or around the 14th day of the month. Maybe that is the day of birth of the perp. Both their last names start with a C. Their cars are left on the same exit ramp. These all may be clues to the prep.

I wonder if Judith Casida's social security number is in use? Or perhaps someone is using her name - it happened to a man in the south his I.D. was stolen and the IRS didn't find that perp for 10 years.
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I am moving this thread to the Missing Discussion forum for everyone! I will leave a redirect for a few days so that the thread is easy to find.

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After taking a longer look at the chassis, I think it's possibly a rail or ocean container mounted on a chassis. This could possibly explain the globe (if it's a globe) in the logo on the left door, if it's a company that ships freight to or from Asia on ocean container ships. But the police video is such poor quality, I can't even tell if the walls are corrugated, which they would be on an ocean container.

I don't find Carnes' driving at night particularly unusual, especially for a former professional driver on such an extremely long trip. But that's a very good point about the possibility of frequent urination. My father is just 71 and when we went to San Antonio to the Final Four in 2008, we were having to pull over every so often and he was just 68, a whole generation younger than Mr. Carnes.

That Mr. Carnes had buddied up with a truck driver may indicate a preference to fuel/eat/urinate at truck stops, which is almost certainly where he would've met the driver of the unknown truck if he didn't have a CB.
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About that truck

Have not been here for a while, so here goes!
If you look closely at the truck, If I am wrong ok...The back looks like it is dirty...If you look closely it looks like someone wrote a (U) above the dark colored (5) and in that, It looks like a (S) Marked by hand angled a little mixed with the (5)..may be a F or T under that very faint..not sure.....What I found while looking at a truck site, a trucker Freight service called: They have US Freight companies and 5 service sights not sure though. I found that odd>
http://www.fca-natc.org/INFO/TRUCKING.HTM
Also "The Rennie Fox case" Of Utah, her car was found in an odd area near a cave mine area and along 395 highway.. she had cards with odd lettering just like that sent to her family. Look closely at the back of the truck..Don't know if that will help, but what can anyone loose by not at least giving that a thought?

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