What others cases interest you as much as JBR's?

[eileenhawkeye]

I followed the Hailey Dunn case too. Unfortunately, that case came to a complete halt. Same with Kyron's case. I remember when the forums were moving so quickly, and there was so much discussion going on, with new information being released every day. I can understand why the forums for that case have slowed down, but it still bothers me, when I think back to how active they were just a few months ago.

[DeeDee249]

It seems to me that in cases where a parent or stepparent were the last ones to see a missing/murdered child alive- they are usually the cause of it. Especially in cases where the body is never found.

[chemgirl]

Over the years, I've done lots of reading on the Lizzy Borden, Ted Bundy, Jeff MacDonald and Lindbergh cases. Somewhere, I read (was it on this forum?) about similarities between the Lindbergh "kidnapping" and the JBR murder. A longtime lurker, I recently joined here, primarily for the JBR case. I keep thinking the answer rests in some little piece of information that has never been made public or that has been overlooked as insignificant.
I pray justice will be served, hopefully in this lifetime!

[DeeDee249]

Originally Posted by chemgirl

Over the years, I've done lots of reading on the Lizzy Borden, Ted Bundy, Jeff MacDonald and Lindbergh cases. Somewhere, I read (was it on this forum?) about similarities between the Lindbergh "kidnapping" and the JBR murder. A longtime lurker, I recently joined here, primarily for the JBR case. I keep thinking the answer rests in some little piece of information that has never been made public or that has been overlooked as insignificant.
I pray justice will be served, hopefully in this lifetime!

Quite a while back someone had made some comparisons between these two cases. I don't recall all the comments or who made them, but I made the comments that, in the Lindbergh case, there was some thought that Lindbergh himself may have accidentally killed his son (he had a habit of throwing him up in the air and catching him - to his mother's horror- and he may have dropped him). The death was staged by him to look like a kidnapping. A ladder was put against the baby's bedroom window, and the handyman Bruno Hauptmann was fingered for the crime. His widow maintained all along that he had been at home with her at the time and she never wavered from that. There was not the kind of investigation then that you'd have today, and certainly no forensic investigation. An autopsy would have determined the way the child died, and if he had been dropped, etc. But as far as I know there was no investigation of that. I do not think the ladder, window sill or frame were checked for prints.
Hauptmann was very quickly convicted for that crime. Today, there are many who think he was innocent. So we have a precedent for a wealthy, powerful family to get away with murder. At least in the JB case, no one was wrongly convicted. This was not for lack of the Rs trying. They needed an 18-wheeler because there wasn't enough room under the bus they threw people under.

[eileenhawkeye]

Here's a website about the similarties between the Ramsey case and the Lindbergh case:

http://web.archive.org/web/199910090.../lindbergh.htm

[Agatha_C]

Originally Posted by chemgirl

Over the years, I've done lots of reading on the Lizzy Borden, Ted Bundy, Jeff MacDonald and Lindbergh cases. Somewhere, I read (was it on this forum?) about similarities between the Lindbergh "kidnapping" and the JBR murder. A longtime lurker, I recently joined here, primarily for the JBR case. I keep thinking the answer rests in some little piece of information that has never been made public or that has been overlooked as insignificant.
I pray justice will be served, hopefully in this lifetime!

Chemgirl,


I forgot to tell you>>>>

[chemgirl]

Thanks for the welcomes I have received this week; I really admire you
"longtimers" for your devotion to justice for JonBenet. Thanks also for recapping the Lindbergh-Ramsey cases' similarities (and for the very interesting link)!

Chemgirl

[Mikebr]

Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye

Hopefully, this isn't considered OT...

What other cases interest you as much as JonBenet's? What other forums do you participate in here at WS?

For me, I am also active in Kyron Horman's, Hailey Dunn's, and Caylee Anthony's forums. However, none of those cases have held my interest as much as JonBenet's cases has.

So we already have a "What makes the JBR case fascinating to you?" topic so I don't really want to get to into that, but I am just wondering, What other cases interest you as much, or almost as much, as JBR?

I have posted in a db cooper thread..was hoping that recent fbi story was going to lead somewhere...i have also posted in the ryan ferguson thread..ryan was featured in both a 48 hrs episode and a dateline episode...he was convicted of a murder i believe he did not commit..conviction was based on a trouble friend who thought he dreamed it..very sad case. really moving slowly thru the missouri court system..hope people take a look.

[Junebug99]

Wm3, which I'm on the fence, I go back and fourth. DB Cooper fascinates me, I will have to check it out. But JBR is the one I have been following closely from the beginning.

[Nuisanceposter]

It started when I was a teenager with a short fiction story about Jack the Ripper. Such nightmare fuel for an already vivid imagination in an eager young mind - I was riveted. I began to seek out any books or tv shows or movies I could find about the case. That was the first.

Then I read anything and everything I could find about true crime. From there I began to learn about how law enforcement works, how detectives track down criminals, how cases are worked and hopefully solved, and also how the judicial system operates, what attorneys do and how and why, what judges can and cannot do and why.

The case of JonBenet Ramsey was the first one that I became obsessed with after Jack the Ripper. To this day, it remains the one case I know the most about. My family and friends know not the mention anything about the Ramsey case in my presence unless they are ready for a long and in-depth debate, and none of them know (or care) as much about it as I do.

But several other cases have drawn my interest almost as much in the past 15 years.

Michael Jackson. Hey, I grew up with him, and I was not surprised by the molestation charges or his subsequent acquittal. I'll be watching the murder trial.

Darlie Routier. That "birthday party" video from the cemetery with the silly string was the first I heard of her, and the idea absolutely horrified me. I think she's where she belongs, although her sons are not - may they rest in peace together forever.

Trenton Duckett. What did his mother do with him, and will he ever be found? Still thinking about you, little man.

Caylee Anthony. Just bizarre from day 31, and can you believe I can see some of my own family in the As? God bless baby Caylee.

Hailey Dunn. I am appalled that she had to live with a mother like that, who had a man like that anywhere in her house or anywhere near her two innocent children. I hope we find you.

And Zahra Baker. That one breaks my heart. I knew a girl who looks very much like Zahra back when I was 10, the same age as Zahra when she was murdered. The resemblance between Zahra and the girl I knew haunted me as I learned more about the life Zahra lived, and I realized the girl I knew had also been the victim of abuse/neglect. I lost contact with the girl I knew when her dad moved her away after her dad and stepmom divorced, but I could not stop thinking about her, so I went searching for her, based on the information I had about her from when we were 10. I found her! After just two weeks, I found her, and we picked up where we left off.

But that doesn't help Zahra. I am so horrified at the way she was let down by everyone that should have been there for her. I understand how kids like Zahra can slip through the cracks based on how the system works, but NOTHING like what happened to her should ever happen to any child anywhere. I am relieved that the monster who killed Zahra has admitted it, but what was it, 15-18 years? WHAT?!? They should have to make sure they recover ALL of Zahra's scattered remains before the one who killed her can get any sort of leniency at all.

My eternal thanks to you, Zahra, and I will never, ever forget you or your beautiful freckle face.

[eileenhawkeye]

I have never been able to get too invested in cases whose the threads move extremely fast. The only exception was Hailey Dunn, and it was very tiring. Sometimes I don't even notice a case until its on its 5th page, and it's hard to figure out what is going on. If you google the victim's name, all you get is a bunch of articles in random order. And everyone is using acronyms, which makes it even more hard to follow. I'll 'check in' but I don't post much on those cases. I like the JBR forum because it's pretty active, yet relaxed. It's not moving at 500 MPH, yet it doesn't go days without any posts.

[SuperDave]

To be honest, no case interests me as much as this one, because I believe that this case is symbolic of the terrible turn our justice system has taken since the Warren Court decisions of the 1960s and of what is worse yet to come.

I think it's symbolic of how money and experts-for-hire have poisoned the justice system and how the rich are able to manipulate their way out of trouble.

I think it's symbolic of how much control lawyers have over the process and how they are allowed to manipulate its workings so ruthlessly with no regard for the consequences.

And I think it's symbolic of how firmly the wrong ideas and attitudes have taken hold.

[runsdeep]

cases in which the "stories" just dont add up. it angers me that people get away with literally murder by a legal system that needs more proof than obsurd excuses. and the ones who do end up being convicted took so many years, more than a decade.

JFK, OJ, susan smith, diane whatsername in seattle, jeff macdonald, JBR, darlie routier, caylee, susan powell, jacque waller. can get interested in most any case if am exposed to the details. and not a murder case, but truddi chase.

[eileenhawkeye]

I honestly couldn't tell you much of anything about most cases posted on WS, even the active ones. In most of them, I have no idea who the suspects are, or how exactly the victim went missing. JonBenet, Caylee, and Kyron are the only cases where I can go on their forums and not feel completely lost. I don't watch NG, so maybe that's a big part of why I'm so clueless about a lot of them.

[M.James]

As interested as I am/have been in the case of JonBenet, sometimes I need to back away from it (and others) to keep a rational view. I've even stopped reading books right in the middle, then a few months later will read a page or two. The information begins to circle itself when there's still much more to learn. I try to listen with an outsider's perspective, unprejudiced and new, but the disc starts to skip again.
Out of 100% of the information floating around the net, I've probably only read about 30% (maybe); not enough. I need to talk/read about other things until JonBenet can sneak up on me again.

I'm interested in many other cases. Sometimes I make replies, sometimes I just read and watch:
Caylee Anthony
Darlie Routier
Cheshire murders (trials)
Diane Downs (I've never even searched to find if she has a page of her own here.)

Way too many to mention. I've listed very few,
as I've read and remembered many through the years, and long before accidentally landing here.
Several of my fellow writers from a site which I've been a member of for more than a decade have written about serial killers and/or mysteries. I'd tried a couple of times with Susan Smith, Mary Bell, ?. I just can't separate myself enough from the crime to gain the experience needed to write properly about the case. (I'm a bit of a crybaby, too.)
The mystery in my own family is what landed me here. I'd never heard of this place before doing a search on my father, who disappeared in '87. I was only looking for information on him then, not searching for him.
But, what a Eureka moment.

[Junebug99]

Julie Rhea Harper is another one, to think that mother sat in prison all those years for killing her son breaks my heart. Prime example of police incompetency.

[eileenhawkeye]

Is anyone following the Lisa Irwin case? I have seen a few similarities to the Ramsey case:

1.) Lisa's parents gave a list of nine suspects to LE who they believe could have kidnapped their daughter. John, Patsy, and even Nedra had a big list of people who may have been the intruder.

2.) LE announced that the Irwins stopped cooperating. We're not sure what exactly that means at this point, but we know the Ramseys didn't cooperate by not speaking to LE for 4 months.

3.) LE announced that the Irwins had stopped cooperating in a press conference, just like the Boulder LE announced that the Ramseys were under an umbrella of suspicion in a press conference. For whatever reason, LE in those cases wanted the public to know where they stood with the parents.

4.) In Lisa's case, the cell phones were missing from the house. It is very hinky, and people start to wonder why an intruder would take the cell phones. Now if the parents are involved, it's possible that they got rid of the cell phones to purposely create a hinky situation. It reminds me of the RN note in the Ramsey case, since I believe it was written by Patsy, to give the situation a "WTH" sort of element. Like you spend all your time thinking what the RN means or the missing cell phones that you don't realize that it's not what it seems.

5.) Also this one is reaching...but LE in Lisa's case said that the parents have "intimate knowledge" of what went on in that house. And JAR said he believes that whoever killed JBR had "intimate knowledge" of his family and how they lived down to day.

It will be interested in seeing if Lisa's parents continue talking to the media but stopping talking to LE.

[runsdeep]

Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye

Is anyone following the Lisa Irwin case? I have seen a few similarities to the Ramsey case:

1.) Lisa's parents gave a list of nine suspects to LE who they believe could have kidnapped their daughter. John, Patsy, and even Nedra had a big list of people who may have been the intruder.

2.) LE announced that the Irwins stopped cooperating. We're not sure what exactly that means at this point, but we know the Ramseys didn't cooperate by not speaking to LE for 4 months.

3.) LE announced that the Irwins had stopped cooperating in a press conference, just like the Boulder LE announced that the Ramseys were under an umbrella of suspicion in a press conference. For whatever reason, LE in those cases wanted the public to know where they stood with the parents.

4.) In Lisa's case, the cell phones were missing from the house. It is very hinky, and people start to wonder why an intruder would take the cell phones. Now if the parents are involved, it's possible that they got rid of the cell phones to purposely create a hinky situation. It reminds me of the RN note in the Ramsey case, since I believe it was written by Patsy, to give the situation a "WTH" sort of element. Like you spend all your time thinking what the RN means or the missing cell phones that you don't realize that it's not what it seems.

5.) Also this one is reaching...but LE in Lisa's case said that the parents have "intimate knowledge" of what went on in that house. And JAR said he believes that whoever killed JBR had "intimate knowledge" of his family and how they lived down to day.

It will be interested in seeing if Lisa's parents continue talking to the media but stopping talking to LE.

i have yet to see anything other than still pics of the parents. were their "tearful pleas" like susan smith's?

[runsdeep]

Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye

Is anyone following the Lisa Irwin case? I have seen a few similarities to the Ramsey case:

1.) Lisa's parents gave a list of nine suspects to LE who they believe could have kidnapped their daughter. John, Patsy, and even Nedra had a big list of people who may have been the intruder.

2.) LE announced that the Irwins stopped cooperating. We're not sure what exactly that means at this point, but we know the Ramseys didn't cooperate by not speaking to LE for 4 months.

3.) LE announced that the Irwins had stopped cooperating in a press conference, just like the Boulder LE announced that the Ramseys were under an umbrella of suspicion in a press conference. For whatever reason, LE in those cases wanted the public to know where they stood with the parents.

4.) In Lisa's case, the cell phones were missing from the house. It is very hinky, and people start to wonder why an intruder would take the cell phones. Now if the parents are involved, it's possible that they got rid of the cell phones to purposely create a hinky situation. It reminds me of the RN note in the Ramsey case, since I believe it was written by Patsy, to give the situation a "WTH" sort of element. Like you spend all your time thinking what the RN means or the missing cell phones that you don't realize that it's not what it seems.

5.) Also this one is reaching...but LE in Lisa's case said that the parents have "intimate knowledge" of what went on in that house. And JAR said he believes that whoever killed JBR had "intimate knowledge" of his family and how they lived down to day.

It will be interested in seeing if Lisa's parents continue talking to the media but stopping talking to LE.

let me take a guess..."she was never missing, she drowned"

[eileenhawkeye]

Originally Posted by runsdeep

i have yet to see anything other than still pics of the parents. were their "tearful pleas" like susan smith's?

I haven't watched any of the TV appearances by the parents, but according to the comments on Lisa's thread, the dad was stoic while the mom was very emotional.

Another similarity between the two cases is that there was a lot of discussion about what the parties involved were wearing when they went to bed and the following morning.

Someone on Lisa's thread even pointed out that if the parents are involved, the crime scene seemed "overstaged"---a word we've used a lot to describe the Ramsey case.

And in both cases, the parents stopped talking to LE but kept talking to the media.

I would imagine that parents who accidentally kill their child, and then cover it up, would act pretty similar to one another. The two cases remind me so much of each other. I believe that the Ramseys got away with murder because they had money, connections, and lived in a county where cases were very, very rarely taken to trial. It's much different in the Irwin case, so if the parents are involved, it will be interested in seeing how it plays out.

For example, LE has come out and said that Lisa's mom made a call on her cell phone at 2:30 AM. In the Ramsey case, the cell phone records for December were lost. Just an example of how having connections can help...

[Alix]

The Sabrina Aisenberg case has me very interested, but I can't find the original facts on the case that made the police so sure that the parents were involved. I've only seen this on one TV show that was obviously biased.

Personally, Marlene made me very nervous. Don't we have any threads here about Sabrina? I used the search function and didn't find any devoted to her.

[eileenhawkeye]

Here is a link to Sabrina's thread:

FL FL - Sabrina Aisenberg, 5 months, Valrico, 24 Nov 1997 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

FL FL - Sabrina Aisenberg, 5 months, Valrico, 24 Nov 1997 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

[Alix]

Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye

Here is a link to Sabrina's thread:

FL FL - Sabrina Aisenberg, 5 months, Valrico, 24 Nov 1997 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thank you very much!!

[eileenhawkeye]

More similarities...

1.) In both cases, the parents never went back into the home.
2.) In both cases, the parents pointed at a window as being a possible entry.
3.) In both cases, the intruder's persona just doesn't work. An intruder who writes a RN talking about dad's business and then sexually assaults and murder a child in the basement? An intruder who kidnap a baby and steals cell phones?

Someone on Lisa's thread even brought up the possibility that her older brothers may have accidentally dropped her on her head; just like in the Ramsey, we have speculated that Burke could have caused the head bash.

[ShadyLadySleuth]

There are similarities in JBR and Madeline McCain cases. In each, parents under intense scrutiny, in both, parents in upper tier of income, in each, young white girl. In each case huge media interest. And, both cases remain unsolved.