TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #3 - Page 31

TheDoormouse · #**751** 05-25-2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad

But didn't she stop at the house?

Didn't a neighbor see her leave the house? Did the neighbor see another car? From accounts here, she is smart. Why leave the kids alone? Why not alert the neighbor?

I'm not the person who was arguing she dropped the kids off because of a person following her.

and I agree. It seems very unlikely she dropped the kids off BECAUSE someone was following her. I couldn't imagine a mother leaving a 9 and 12 year old alone in the house and HOPE the bad guy comes for her instead.

TheDoormouse · #**752** 05-25-2011, 01:19 AM

also we don't have proof she didn't contact LE in the weeks before about a guy following her. LE is being very secretive, and I highly doubt in a place this hush-hush the first thing LE would do is tell the media "welp, she mentioned something about a car to us, but we blew her off"

10EC_Dad · #**753** 05-25-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by redfish

Dad, I don't think you will find much to quote by Matthew. He doesn't have a lot to say. Therefore not much in the way of contradiction. Matter of fact he does not respond to even defend himself against the many accusations. Rumor is rampant. And yes it is acknowledged here that it is rumor. His lack of action and the little action he has made only makes him more suspicious.

I don't think that you have ever experienced abuse of any kind! Lucky you. A lot of us here have been in abusive situations. They are not all alike and often for reasons that are really really hard to explain many victims hide the abuse. Many of us go to great lengths to protect our abusers sometimes. It is not something you are real proud of later when you come to your senses or are forced to face reality. Most of the time the abused really love their abusers (or think they do) and are afraid they will lose them. What does this have to do with Gail or this case? When one has experienced this 1st hand, they tend to recognize certain signs. This case has it written all over it in my opinion. We could be wrong and most on this thread have all admitted this, but things do not look good for Gail. And the evidence when you read all the way from front to back point more and more to this. Point out something to give me hope that I am wrong. Please.

You obviously are not aware of my past.

Thanks for sharing the background of many here. That gives me a better insight to their posts.

I try to view things objectively and see each case by it own merits.

fbx · #**754** 05-25-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MacGyver

One of my colleagues is from Chattanooga and her father lives on SM. He has told her on the Mountain, they think MP is strange and there is something not right about him.

I've known him 15 years and always thought he was a great guy--he has even been a guest in my home on multiple occasions. However, as many of us have stated, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors.

One question . . . there are many of us on GP's side who talk about the Gail we know. Am I the only one who finds it strange that no one has said anything positive in the media about MP? Even before he lawyered up?

I think (JMHO) it's because he does not seem to be actively looking for her.

Have talked to several people about this because, as you said, marital problems aside...he seems to be a great guy. These are people who have been through a terrible time with spousal drug and alcohol abuse and child custody nightmares. All say that no matter how much they might wish their ex-spouse off the planet, if they went missing they would without hesitation start an active and aggressive search because....how could they not do this for their children?
Also...when did he lawyer up?...it was before the media were interested and very shortly after April 30th.

JBean · #**755** 05-25-2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fbx

I think (JMHO) it's because he does not seem to be actively looking for her.

Have talked to several people about this because, as you said, marital problems aside...he seems to be a great guy. These are people who have been through a terrible time with spousal drug and alcohol abuse and child custody nightmares. All say that no matter how much they might wish their ex-spouse off the planet, if they went missing they would without hesitation start an active and aggressive search because....how could they not do this for their children?
Also...when did he lawyer up?...it was before the media were interested and very shortly after April 30th.

The separation filing was made May 6. The divorce atty is a criminal defense attorney. So the earliest we know for certain he retained an attorney is 5-6-11.

We also know that he does have a PI looking for clues and information over at Arlene Dunham's house.

SmoothOperator · #**756** 05-25-2011, 01:38 AM

I have a very close family friend with a somewhat similar situation.. Infact the more I learn.. The more I think on it the more the two are eerily alike..

She no longer works, husband is full breadwinner making very good money they have a daughter 12 and son 9.. She has found out that there has been an affair and tho from the outside her husband seems to be one of the good guys, even I would have attested a year ago that he was a great guy and good family and marriage but now I know different.

She fears him and tho has yet to be physically violent he is extremely verbally and emotionally abusive and there have been 911 calls during these verbal abuses. She knows that the marriage has to end not healthy for the kids to be raised in home where mom is very verbally and emotionally abused.. Little by little she has been doing these exact things Gail was.. Giving several of us different things to hold onto..proof of the affairs, important docs such as her birth certificate, passport, kids passports, receipts, and yes even cash..

She is suffering emotionally quite terribly and her doctor has her on two medicines, neither of which would indicate instability but rather medications to help her get through this nightmare which she knows has barely begun.. As she just recently began meeting with an ATTY..

She too had a very very strong suspicion that she was being followed and yes even began to question was she being paranoid.. Fact is she wasn't.. Her instincts were dead on and he was having her followed 24/7 and her cell tapped.. Things have gone from bad to worse as he confronted her as soon as he was told that she had been to see an ATTY .. He has threatened her life and for the time being she is still there but has a separate phone to communicate with us on and he is completely unaware of all the important docs and money that she has given us for safe keeping.. Her plan is to let things cool back down and she feels that once he gets back to traveling alot of out of town for biz that shell resume her little by little getting things in order so that she can leave and divorce him.. Her main thing that she has to have are his docs from the biz he owns as he's not claiming his correct income. Infact is claiming such a small amt that it woulnt allow for her to provide for her children even the most basic of needs.. This is why she says she can't leave until she gets the documentTion of what his true income is..

We fear for her greatly now knowing the truth if just what goes in behind their closed doors but not even the most slightest bit do any of us for one second believe that her reasons for giving us the important items to hold onto indicate that she would commit suicide, that she is an unstable individual, or that she's gonna take off and leave the kids with her husband..

They're indicative of the complete opposite.. Preparation for a contested divorce against a man who she knows is gonna be hell to go thru a divorce from and that she is attempting to have as many ducks in a row as she possibly can before the world war 3 begins..

IMO I see Gail and her actions much the same way.. Indicative of an intelligent woman with a logical head on her shoulders that is doing her best to prepare for that horrendous battle that is inevitably going to come..

And IMO it's quite likely that MP saw this too that GP was gearing up for that divorce and well we all know that a good amd large sum of money would be leaving MPs bank account each and every month of every year for the next decade.. That alone is more than enough motive and in fact sadly has become extremely frequent when speaking of husbands killng their wives for these very reasons..

Of course there is the chance that Gail just happened to cross paths with something nefarious that is completely unrelated to MP or just to have crossed paths with a fate that tragically and accidentally took her life. I think many of us always know these are possibilities in the many cases such As Gail's and the reality of the chances of it being something completely unrelated are slim to none.. She feats someone is following her.. She has a marriage that has come apart at the seams with a pending divorce and is already preparing by giving those items of importance for her fam/friends to hold onto to use in those divorce proceedings.. Yet something absolutely unrelated took Gails life??

As I said slim to none..

JBean · #**757** 05-25-2011, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoormouse

I'm not the person who was arguing she dropped the kids off because of a person following her.

and I agree. It seems very unlikely she dropped the kids off BECAUSE someone was following her. I couldn't imagine a mother leaving a 9 and 12 year old alone in the house and HOPE the bad guy comes for her instead.

I concur. But it does make me think that perhaps the person following her was not the person threatening her, if she was in fact being threatened and left out of fear.

Interesting that she had made arrangements to meet her dh at the house with the kids, but was compelled to leave them before he got there and leave in a hurry. My knee jerk is that she did not want to see her dh, but was honoring the arrangement for some reason.

That could support leaving on her own accord/leaving out of fear of something/being involved in an accident due to being distraught/being harmed either by a stranger or someone known to her.

fbx · #**758** 05-25-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad

For a professional, losing a job is a big issue. If she wanted to be a full time mom she could have quit her job.

Did she have another relationship with a man?

You're right about being able to quit her job anytime for full time mom-dom. The thing is though, that being a very successful professional she wouldn't have really considered it...BUT when it happened, she quickly figured our that being a full time mom is a fabulous gift to be treasured and enjoyed while you can!!!

I'm not aware of any other relationship....find it hard to believe though.
I asked why you thought she felt that she was alone for a very specific reason.
You should have noticed by now though, that she had many people around her that care for her and in whom she has a great deal of trust. Her sister and Brother-in-law have sacrificed 3 weeks of their lives so far in an attempt to locate her...what of their jobs and lives at home?

stumpedpa · #**759** 05-25-2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MacGyver

What makes me even more sad--and mad--is that there was absolutely no search until last Saturday--3 weeks later!!! If she did have an accident on those curvy backcountry roads, she could have needed help and it never came.

Please help us find Gail Marie!!!

You are sooooo right!!!!!!!
IMHO whatever the circumstance (took off, foul play, whatever) why didn't LE at least LOOOK?

KWIM

:>)

redfish · #**760** 05-25-2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JBean

I concur. But it does make me think that perhaps the person following her was not the person threatening her, if she was in fact being threatened and left out of fear.

Interesting that she had made arrangements to meet her dh at the house with the kids, but was compelled to leave them before he got there and leave in a hurry. My knee jerk is that she did not want to see her dh, but was honoring the arrangement for some reason.

That could support leaving on her own accord/leaving out of fear of something/being involved in an accident due to being distraught/being harmed either by a stranger or someone known to her.

JBean, she did seem to be keeping her part of a "bargain". She agreed to return the next day. hmmmm okay. But Arlene says they had plans that day, made the night before. hmmmmmm. A late night phone call? Wish we could see phone record!

Okay she arrives home in record time. Unloads kids. No husband in sight. Puts Purse/ID on counter.... talks to sister on phone.... What happened that she rushes back off leaving her ID behind? Rushes right past Suzie without even acknowledging her "arm waving" What in the world? Something frightened her? Husband says he spoke to her on the phone. hmmmmm Did they make a plan to meet somewhere private where the kids would not hear? Did someone call and say something happened to Grandma or Matthew? Sure wish we had that phone record.

redfish · #**761** 05-25-2011, 02:00 AM

Does anyone know if it is quicker to go down the front or the back of the mountain to Grandma's?

happy409 · #**762** 05-25-2011, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JBean

The divorce filing was made May 6. The divorce atty is a criminal defense attorney. So the earliest we know for certain he retained an attorney is 5-6-11.

We also know that he does have a PI looking for clues and information over at Arlene Dunham's house.

I don't recall anyone saying the divorce or legal separation had been filed. A 'legal separation' is a waste of money (may cost as much as a divorce) and only allows for child support arrangements that can be made through the child support court.

In most cases, of high a asset divorce, one would not hire a criminal attorney, one would hire a good divorce attorney.

Only items officially filed were:
(1)EX-PARTE MOTION FOR
RESTRAINING ORDER AND
TEMPORARY CUSTODY
(2) EX-PARTE MOTION FOR
EXCLUSIVE USE OF POSSESSION
OF MARITAL RESIDENCE

http://www.hamiltontn.gov/courts/Cha...ata/052311.pdf
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Davis and Hoss, PC.. both live on Signal Mountain. They do not advertise a divorce practice once in the bio (that I saw). "Mr. Hoss also represents law enforcement officers of the Fraternal Order of Police and the Police Benevolent Association who have been either disciplined by their Department or find themselves named as a Defendant in a civil rights case. Over the last ten (10) years, you will find that Mr. Hoss has been dispatched to multiple shooting scenes and has successfully defended those police officers who were defending the good citizens of Hamilton County".

http://www.davis-hoss.com/bryan-hoss/

It appears MP hired a criminal attorney with a supportive connection to the police, and a PI who is a retired Police Captain of Chattanooga, it could be coincidence, unless of course they are good friends.

brittbritt40 · #**763** 05-25-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by redfish

Does anyone know if it is quicker to go down the front or the back of the mountain to Grandma's?

Grandma meaning MP's mother? It would be quicker to go down the W Rd which is on the side of the mountain because it goes directly to Mtn Creek Rd. If you go down the back, you go to Dunlap. If you go down the front, you stay on Signal Mtn Rd.

happy409 · #**764** 05-25-2011, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by redfish

Does anyone know if it is quicker to go down the front or the back of the mountain to Grandma's?

MP's mother lives near the bottom of the mountain closer to the W road than the front of the mountain, unless someone doesn't like to take the W. Palmgren's residence exits out of their subdivdision closest to the W Road to travel off the mountain (unless pulling a trailer, etc.) it has 2 hairpin turns.

happy409 · #**765** 05-25-2011, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stumpedpa

You are sooooo right!!!!!!!
IMHO whatever the circumstance (took off, foul play, whatever) why didn't LE at least LOOOK?

KWIM

:>)

SMPD does NOT have the resources to deal with this type of case. It's not their fault, they just do not have the resources. MP was not pressing the issue, and until GP's sister got into town and (I assume) demanded action, SMPD saw it necessary to call in Hamilton County Sheriff's office who also services Walden's Ridge patrol (part of Signal, but out of Signal Mountain town limits).

SmoothOperator · #**766** 05-25-2011, 02:22 AM

Thanks for that info happy409.. I really don't like the way things are shaping up to be.. Criminal attorney not family law practice/divorce ATTY.. And all of these loosely tied to LE.. I certainly pray that everyones priority stay on Gail's being found and the childrens best interest..

fbx · #**767** 05-25-2011, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JBean

The divorce filing was made May 6. The divorce atty is a criminal defense attorney. So the earliest we know for certain he retained an attorney is 5-6-11.

We also know that he does have a PI looking for clues and information over at Arlene Dunham's house.

I should have said apparent, rather than no attempt...sorry about that.

The PI said he was having trouble getting people to co-operate, and was hopeful that taking part in the search over the weekend would encourage more people to help him. That was an awesome idea...collaboration was actually a possibility for a while, and he was likely right about the effect. It was so exciting and encouraging to hear that. Why on earth didn't he end up coming? Maybe he was part of the effort down in Alabama instead?

Also...Matt's arm/wrist being bandaged was directed at a comment about husband abuse Vs wife abuse by 10EC_DAD. There have been a couple of different stories about how and when it happened (both before and after 30th), and I didn't mean to imply anything sinister since I have no idea how or when it happened, just that it was observed. Most of 10EC_DAD's comments I can find fault with, but in this case he was quite correct that no-one interpreted it as abuse to Matt!

Snowbunny · #**768** 05-25-2011, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad

But didn't she stop at the house?

Didn't a neighbor see her leave the house? Did the neighbor see another car? From accounts here, she is smart. Why leave the kids alone? Why not alert the neighbor?

Dad, we don't know if someone was in the vehicle with her and forcing her to leave. I could see her leaving the children knowing her spouse was on his way to the residence versus being forced into a confrontation with her husband in front of her children. In the state of TN the 12 year old was old enough to stay at home alone and for that matter babysit the young child for a short period of time. Something had this poor lady rattled but that doesn't mean that she has mental issues. Sounds to me like her whole world was crashing around her and she didn't know which way to turn. As I've stated many times, I was lucky I had my family and close friends pulling me through what I went through and I wouldn't wish what I went through on my worst enemy. Not all people are as fortunate as I was.

Snowbunny · #**769** 05-25-2011, 03:57 AM

Here is something else to think about. Women can be more vicious than men when it comes to matters of the heart. We know the gf's name but we don't know anything about her. I dealt with two gf at the same time which made it double trouble for me but the two didn't know anything about each other, but I did. For all we know this gf could be the one who has been reeking all the havic on Gail, like having friends follow her and call her. We don't know what this girl is capable of doing.

hollyblue · #**770** 05-25-2011, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fbx

I should have said apparent, rather than no attempt...sorry about that.

The PI said he was having trouble getting people to co-operate, and was hopeful that taking part in the search over the weekend would encourage more people to help him. That was an awesome idea...collaboration was actually a possibility for a while, and he was likely right about the effect. It was so exciting and encouraging to hear that. Why on earth didn't he end up coming? Maybe he was part of the effort down in Alabama instead?

Also...Matt's arm/wrist being bandaged was directed at a comment about husband abuse Vs wife abuse by 10EC_DAD. There have been a couple of different stories about how and when it happened (both before and after 30th), and I didn't mean to imply anything sinister since I have no idea how or when it happened, just that it was observed. Most of 10EC_DAD's comments I can find fault with, but in this case he was quite correct that no-one interpreted it as abuse to Matt!

Huh? You lost me fbx.

Have I missed some posts? I'm not doubting you at all, but is this info you gleaned from an article or people you have had contact with? Regarding the PI coming to the search and Matt's bandaged arm? Maybe I'm confused because of the late hour? Can I assume this was conversation at the vigil or search this weekend? TIA

hollyblue · #**771** 05-25-2011, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 10EC_Dad

You obviously are not aware of my past.

Thanks for sharing the background of many here. That gives me a better insight to their posts.

I try to view things objectively and see each case by it own merits.

Two questions for your thoughts and objectivity:

Why has Matt not offered a reward for his wife's return.? Alive or otherwise. Wouldn't he want to get on with the divorce/settlement and get back to work?

There are rumors (which I believe are pretty well confirmed) that Matt was having an affair. If true, why wouldn't he just move out? He would be with the person he wanted to be and cause less chaos with his wife and kids?

TheDoormouse · #**772** 05-25-2011, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hollyblue

Two questions for your thoughts and objectivity:

Why has Matt not offered a reward for his wife's return.? Alive or otherwise. Wouldn't he want to get on with the divorce/settlement and get back to work?

There are rumors (which I believe are pretty well confirmed) that Matt was having an affair. If true, why wouldn't he just move out? He would be with the person he wanted to be and cause less chaos with his wife and kids?

I think it all comes down to the divorce. I've never been married or divorced, so I don't really know how that works, but bad divorce odds have been the M.O for many a murder...

glorias · #**773** 05-25-2011, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoormouse

I'm not the person who was arguing she dropped the kids off because of a person following her.

and I agree. It seems very unlikely she dropped the kids off BECAUSE someone was following her. I couldn't imagine a mother leaving a 9 and 12 year old alone in the house and HOPE the bad guy comes for her instead.

We haven't heard from the kids, of course. Maybe she didn't leave them alone. Maybe someone was at the house when she left.

That just now occurred to me, and frankly, it's kind of creepy. I had been assuming she left planning only to be gone momentarily, but maybe that's not what happened at all.

glorias · #**774** 05-25-2011, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fbx

Also...Matt's arm/wrist being bandaged was directed at a comment about husband abuse Vs wife abuse by 10EC_DAD. There have been a couple of different stories about how and when it happened (both before and after 30th), and I didn't mean to imply anything sinister since I have no idea how or when it happened, just that it was observed. Most of 10EC_DAD's comments I can find fault with, but in this case he was quite correct that no-one interpreted it as abuse to Matt!

Interesting. When 10EC_DAD made the comment earlier (

here

) about Matt being bruised, I thought it was a hypothetical. I didn't realize he was referring to Matt's arm and wrist being bandaged in reality.

It's interesting that Matt had an injury like that, but unfortunate that we don't know what kind of injury or even when it happened.

ATRUEFRIEND · #**775** 05-25-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fbx

I should have said apparent, rather than no attempt...sorry about that.

The PI said he was having trouble getting people to co-operate, and was hopeful that taking part in the search over the weekend would encourage more people to help him. That was an awesome idea...collaboration was actually a possibility for a while, and he was likely right about the effect. It was so exciting and encouraging to hear that. Why on earth didn't he end up coming? Maybe he was part of the effort down in Alabama instead?

Also...Matt's arm/wrist being bandaged was directed at a comment about husband abuse Vs wife abuse by 10EC_DAD. There have been a couple of different stories about how and when it happened (both before and after 30th), and I didn't mean to imply anything sinister since I have no idea how or when it happened, just that it was observed. Most of 10EC_DAD's comments I can find fault with, but in this case he was quite correct that no-one interpreted it as abuse to Matt!

Wrist injury happened during a golf outting with his brother Keith in early April.