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Old 05-21-2011, 03:39 PM
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Old 05-21-2011, 03:50 PM
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I understand your initial cynicism, but remember that I began my previous post with admissions of significant failed interpretations of some cases in my past. As another example of my past mistakes, I predicted in the 1980's that the Green River Killer was unmarried. The astute sleuth can detect that I am an honest man, humbled by experience and not a bombastic liar. But to argue for my present state of mind, watching the Tanya Rider case on "Disappeared" Season 2 I deduced 7 minutes into the episode that no crime had occurred and the woman had driven her vehicle off the road (I had never heard of this case before that time). In other words, I have learned from past mistakes and have increased my sleuthing skills over the decades.

The distribution of evidence in the Holly Bobo case is curious. It seems planted, not to taunt the police, but as some predictable and immature effort to mislead them or others. But in this 'most secretive case in my memory' even the so-called locations of discovered evidence comes into question. I can only work with what I have, and I reiterate- if I had two more pieces of factual evidence I could figure this thing out.

I believe you are right- why would a kidnapper drive south, towards town? The kidnapper would head north, away from a population center. Further, who in their right mind would be merrily disposing of evidence if the victim was still sitting beside them? Common sense, my friend. Here is a potential problem with the complete secrecy in this case- suppose the searchers found a significant item at location Z. If this was immediately and fully revealed to the public, some passerby might report that they saw this item earlier at time X, and time X might blow the case open.
I think cynicism helps in being a good investigator.

I must say, I can figure out the who done its on TV. However, in real life there is not enough public information to identify a significant POI before LE.

Let me ask, how does knowing the identity of the second significant find direct your thinking to solving this case? Knowing if it was her cell phone would draw you to what direction in solving the case?

Also, may I suggest that if the perp was intentionally spreading evidence it was more from inexperience than immaturity. Why would he risk being seen? If Holly was securely hidden, why not keep the items in the same location?

Also, how was this behavior predictable?

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Old 05-21-2011, 06:45 PM
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I agree, 10EC. The way he desposited items shows inexperience.

LE likely is keeping the second item under wraps in hope for when they do get a POI they can verify that he is their guy if he says something about the item during the interrogation process.

I sure hope they can find Holly and in the process hope people won't forget her.
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:23 PM
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Missing in Tennessee: another update
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Gail Palmgren....missing for 21 days
Holly Bobo........missing for 38 days
Shelly Mook.......missing for 82 days
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:26 PM
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Missing in Tennessee: another update
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Gail Palmgren....missing for 21 days
Holly Bobo........missing for 38 days
Shelly Mook.......missing for 82 days
Little Zaylee Fryar (whose mother was found dead in the Cumberland River) is also still missing in Tennessee.
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:27 PM
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Did anyone notice that Holly is not on the TBI website? I was pretty sure she was at one time, or I am thinking of a different site??

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/missing_c...ss_child.shtml
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:34 PM
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Did anyone notice that Holly is not on the TBI website? I was pretty sure she was at one time, or I am thinking of a different site??

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/missing_c...ss_child.shtml
Good catch, mrsu.....I think you are right. I will try to find the previous link.
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:38 PM
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I don't recall anything about Holly except for the press releases on the TBI site.

Her poster is still on the FBI site; the height and weight estimates have not been changed there to match the TBI estimates, which were upped a few weeks back.
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:44 PM
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I think she was listed as a missing child (in addition to a "missing person")...because there was some debate about why she would be listed as such considering her age. Some posters speculated it was because she was a full-time student still living at home.
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:51 PM
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Those listed as over 18 are ones who would be over 18 now but were children when they went missing...no adults are listed...(who were adults when vanished)
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:54 PM
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Here's her "Amber Alert, Tenneesse-Style" page: http://radioamber.net/?p=4483
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:57 PM
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First TBI media release:

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Old 05-21-2011, 09:34 PM
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I've been thinking a lot about this case. There is a very large reward and I'm sure if anyone had the slightest inkling that they knew who did this they would call the TBI or the FBI.

I think this kidnapper is a complete loner with no friends. He probably lives alone somewhere in the backwoods around that area. He probably doesn't have a regular job but makes a living by maybe being a handyman a hunting or fishing guide, raising and selling livestock, raising and selling vegetables, repairing fences, cleaning gutters and windows or some such job that he can do when he wants to work. He could even be a veteran on full disability or someone who draws disability from a job related injury or for health reasons.

He may have never met HB but could have seen her and followed her home to find out where she lived. She is a beautiful woman and would attract attention wherever she went.

I don't think he lives too far from the area but far enough to be unknown by the people who live around the victim's family residence.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:55 PM
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I check on the holly bobo case daily, and have for the past month...
I am in Louisiana, but was born in Martin, TN. My dad also graduated from ut at Martin. That's what first drew me to the article about her abduction. This is horrible that their are such evil people among us! Who in their right mind could do something so terrible? I'll tell ya who! An egotistical, arrogant, son of a biscuit eater. It had to be a mental case or someone very drugged up. Still! This is sickening. I keep hoping I'll randomingly get a sense of psychicness to help bring her home! Unfortunately I don't have that gift.

I just have a few questions and I apologize ahead of time if these have been answered:

1. Have any of her friends or family posted on here?
Or any other sites that you know of/came across?
(what's this about a guy defending himmself on b.o.c)

2. Has anyone started a timeline? If so, where to find it?

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Old 05-21-2011, 10:58 PM
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I don't recall anything about Holly except for the press releases on the TBI site.

Her poster is still on the FBI site; the height and weight estimates have not been changed there to match the TBI estimates, which were upped a few weeks back.
So far as I know, she was never posted on the TBI site, only the FBI site. The TBI site searches have always only returned the media releases for me.
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I think she was listed as a missing child (in addition to a "missing person")...because there was some debate about why she would be listed as such considering her age. Some posters speculated it was because she was a full-time student still living at home.
Maybe you're thinking of NCMEC? She's listed on there as a missing child.

http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/ser...archLang=en_US
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:04 PM
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Here's her "Amber Alert, Tenneesse-Style" page: http://radioamber.net/?p=4483
So far as I know, that's not an official Amber Alert site. Just a few people who got together, collect information from all over, and post it.

I've never been able to find an official Amber Alert for Holly.
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:07 PM
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2. Has anyone started a timeline? If so, where to find it?

Thanks,

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I started one lol. I'm unable to put one together without inserting speculation though. You're welcome to use whatever you might find useful with what I've got so far.

The link to the timeline info I've collected so far is on here:
http://casesignal.wordpress.com/holly-bobo/
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:11 PM
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I agree, 10EC. The way he desposited items shows inexperience.

LE likely is keeping the second item under wraps in hope for when they do get a POI they can verify that he is their guy if he says something about the item during the interrogation process.

I sure hope they can find Holly and in the process hope people won't forget her.
Or it could have the perps DNA but is not in the database.
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The TBI has not posted info on Holly's case- at least anywhere I can find.
THe FBI has:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap
and NCMEC has:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/s...archLang=en_US

To me, this means that whatever info LE has gathered regarding Holly's case, has been passed to the FBI.

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Old 05-21-2011, 11:21 PM
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Maybe you're thinking of NCMEC? She's listed on there as a missing child.

http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/ser...archLang=en_US
Thanks Bean. This must be what I was thinking of.

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The TBI has not posted info on Holly's case- at least anywhere I can find.
THe FBI has:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap
and NCMEC has:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/s...archLang=en_US

To me, this means that whatever info LE has gathered regarding Holly's case, has been passed to the FBI.

JMO.
I'm not sure about this. I read local reports on FB that said people have called tips to the FBI and they were told to call the TBI number instead. I'm not sure if that means anything?
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:32 PM
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MOO!

I have followed this case since day "One!" I have read almost every post, both here, and there. I firmly believe this is the work of one individual. If you go back to my first post on WS and read it, I have not strayed far from it. I work from home and I remember clearly the news coming on with a breaking strory that morning. I was horrified that a person could be in their own driveway (carport), beginning their day and be snatched from the face of the earth, and nobody knows anything? This is BS! Maybe, maybe not, come to think of it.

I live in a suburb of Nashville, my backyard, and driveway, are located in a very wooded area. If I went out to my car one morning and someone was waiting for me, I would effing freeze in my tracks and be speechless too! What do you say? What do you do? I never had my gun loaded just walking to my car before this, I do now! No one would have seen me being abducted, and I mean no one! I am changed and rearranged...

I work second shift as well, 3:30PM till 12:00 AM. I live alone, my children are grown and gone. I talk to my friends on the weekends, maybe, maybe not. There is not a person on this earth that is going to miss me if I go missing, not immediately anyway, eventually, yes of course. I have a strong suspicion that the person LE is looking for fits this profile. Hopefully, he is keeping her for his pleasure, he finally has her where he wants her. God Love Her! No one misses him because he is living his life as normally as he was before he abducted her. I firmly believe LE knows exactly who this perp is, that is why the media has been blacked out. No more searches are underway. They are just waiting for him to eff up! He took her, he put her in the trunk of the waiting car, this is when she screamed, this is the moment she knew she was in serious trouble. He throws her belongings out on the way to God knows where, it could be anywhere in the US at this point. Coon Hunt Attendee? I also have a basement apartment in my house that is totally undetectable from the street. Heck! You cannot even pull around to the front of my house and detect this! Don't worry, it is rented out and she is not there! Believe me, I have checked! I have checked a lot of things since this incident. That is what is so effing scary about this! There have got to be so many places she could be. It is going to take a lot of time to check all of this out. Patience and hope is all any of us have right now! I will believe she is somewhere alive until I hear otherwise! Hope is all I am left with at this point...

I apologize for the novel here, I just haven't posted in a while and have been thinking, hoping and praying for this to end! I honestly believe that LE cannot reveal their hand due to the fact that...Can you imagine the witch hunt that would take place? I don't believe for one minute that the locals would not be storming the perps house and trying to bring him down themselves, or worse. There is just too much emotion from the city and county! I can only pray they know who this person is, and I honestly believe they do! I can only pray they do! I know everyone here does as well...My 2 cents! Hope everyone is having a great weekend! Whew...
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You can't go wrong calling in a tip to 1-800-The-Lost.
They will direct the tip where it needs to go.

I'm sure the TBI is working in conjunction with the FBI. But Holly is not on the TBI website.
She is listed with both the FBI ( as a kidnapping) and NCMEC (as a missing child.) There are no special circumstances listed with NCMEC as there usually would be for a child over the age of 18 (such as a disability, needing meds, etc.)

Why is that?

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Thanks Bean. This must be what I was thinking of.



I'm not sure about this. I read local reports on FB that said people have called tips to the FBI and they were told to call the TBI number instead. I'm not sure if that means anything?
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I am wondering if someone prominent in the town or a prominent persons kid is involved or possibly even a person of LE since this is such a hush hush case.
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I am beginning to think this has something to do with the family. NOT that the family is involved in Holly's disappearance at all. But that the crime was committed due to something only known to the family and that LE does not want this to get out.

That's my mind-boggling thought for today.
That is something worth considering again, as it seems that the silence around the case has not been broken.

In a small town it is probably harder to keep secrets hidden. All the more reason for LE and the family to be so extremely tight lipped if it is of great importance that the information remain secret.
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