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Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #16
Hello All,
I would think everyone here is familiar with the phrase "Back to the Future." As I will explain, this phrase is pertinently applicable to this case.
In private conversations the Core Astrologers have agreed that neither the JURY SWORN IN chart nor the MURDER TRIAL STARTS chart is a stand-alone chart, but rather, both charts are contingent upon the chart that started this action in motion, namely, GRAND JURY INDICTS CASEY ANTHONY FOR MURDER OF HER DAUGHTER CAYLEE.
I repeat:
The charts JURY SWORN IN & MURDER TRIAL STARTS are not stand-alone charts, but continuations of an Event that occurred over 2-1/2 yrs ago, namely the Indictment of Casey Anthony for Murder on 10/14/2008.
If the Grand Jury had not indicted ICA for the murder of her daughter, this trial, anticipated to begin in earnest on May 24, 2011, would not be occurring.
Thus, GRAND JURY INDICTS CASEY ANTHONY is a critical reference chart which we must, IMO, review, study and refer to as this case progresses.
Thus, these subsequent charts must be examined in light of the GRAND JURY INDICTMENT chart, as they are in fact transits to that initiating chart. We are obligated to study progressions to that chart and to the charts of key players (Casey Anthony, Lead Attorneys, Judge) as well.
We will be making preliminary comments shortly.
Thank you for your patience,
Soulscape
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Reference Charts for TRIAL - Casey A. SunriseNATAL, INDICTMENT, JURY SWORN IN
As I noted above, neither the JURY SWORN IN chart nor the MURDER TRIAL STARTS chart is a stand-alone chart, but rather, both charts are contingent upon the chart that started this action in motion, namely, GRAND JURY INDICTS CASEY ANTHONY FOR MURDER OF HER DAUGHTER CAYLEE.
Thus, these subsequent charts must be examined in light of the GRAND JURY INDICTMENT chart, as they are in fact transits to that initiating chart. We are obligated to study progressions to that chart and to the charts of key players (Casey Anthony, Lead Attorneys, Judge) as well, as the case progresses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~
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Is THIS the chart you are referring to, Soulscape?
(TUBA's)
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YES.
Both Housemouse and I will be posting this key chart as well as we continue our analysis.
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Thank you, Queenofwands!  Here are a couple of additional posts refering back to October 2008:
Tuba’s Post # 498
“The GJ or charging body has 20:01 Cancer on the H. of Service, ruled by the Moon at full. She is opposite, fully aware, of the Sun in H. 8, the homicide and the named accused is governed by that same Sun. We have the True Node at the same degree as Saturn, a casualty, fatality, worse and more serious because that is the nature of Saturn. But we have intercepts in H. 1 and H. 7, so there is a great deal we don't know yet about the habits (Virgo) so repetitive and chronic practiced by the prisoner when she is unseen. With Uranus rising and opposed to those habits, we will learn from the evidence and testimony. Uranus can bust up the stony refusal to come clean and in opposition will be aware. The prosecution had an array of instrumentalities at its disposal because Uranus and Neptune are in one another's Signs, mutual reception. The evidence already brought forward to the GJ is therefore very revealing and varied. The final aspect of the Moon is a trine to Pluto ruling H. 9, which bodes well for a future jury and for the lawyers involved.”
Also noted by Tuba is, “The Indictment Horoscope is for a Mars day in a Sun hour.”
In the Astro crime calendar Kaitland posted on 10/14/08...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/cal...2008-10-14&c=5
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“I see that Casey's natal sun,mercury, and venus fall in the charts 12th house (rules prisons, hospitals, death) so her "vital essence" is eclipsed by these events Her saturn and uranus fall into the 8th house (crisis/transformation/death, and her mars falls into the 9th house of legal judgements. It is ominous. I do think the state attorney will ASK FOR the death penalty. I do not know that that will be the final outcome, because will this chart be the prevailing energy through the trial....? We will have to wait for a trial date to be set.”
It is facinating to go back and read earlier posts! Our Astros do a wonderful job in interpreting the charts! 
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This is why we rely so heavily on you all. lol I'm sure what I looked up might relate but I can't put together who is who and what planet rules what person or place. I really need to take a class and start learning because it is FASCINATING to say the least. Not for myself but for others around me. Thanks, Astros, for all your help here.
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Grand Jury Indictment
Here is the chart for the Grand Jury Indictment. It is the same chart that Tuba posted, but might be a bit easier to read.
If you have a color printer, let me know how well it prints out for your studies.
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Originally Posted by LambChop
This is why we rely so heavily on you all. lol I'm sure what I looked up might relate but I can't put together who is who and what planet rules what person or place. I really need to take a class and start learning because it is FASCINATING to say the least. Not for myself but for others around me. Thanks, Astros, for all your help here.
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Lambchop, each of us "astros" use different techniques in our research, and that is a good thing, because there are many types of astrology, each type suited to a specific situation.
I focus primarily on the aspects between the planets and the personal points, and pay less attention to rulerships, houses, and signs. I watch the transiting aspects to the natal aspects as an indication of when an event might occur, and the cross aspects between the pertinent charts.
Horary charts may be very useful for trials, and we are so fortunate to have Soulscape with us. This is where she really shines. I depend on her insights in dealing with horary charts.
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This will be helpful to those of you just beginning your research. I will post another Grand Jury chart showing more information that will be helpful. Save these in a folder on your computer, so you can refer to them when we discuss the events and developments once the trail begins.
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More information on the Grand Jury Indictment can be found on this page.
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Thank you Housemouse for the charts and keys, these will be very helpful learning tools. I am off to find explanations of the houses and signs for event charts. Question: do the explanations from natal charts ever apply to an event chart? I hope that isn't a putzenhamer question... thanks for all you do.
Thanks Soulscape for the explanation of all of the charts we should consider in unison, that is extremely helpful too, and thank you to Marlame for refreshing our memories with the old posts from Tuba and Kaitlan- all very helpful~ Frigga
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Thank you Housemouse for the charts and keys, these will be very helpful learning tools. I am off to find explanations of the houses and signs for event charts. Question: do the explanations from natal charts ever apply to an event chart? I hope that isn't a putzenhamer question... thanks for all you do.
Thanks Soulscape for the explanation of all of the charts we should consider in unison, that is extremely helpful too, and thank you to Marlame for refreshing our memories with the old posts from Tuba and Kaitlan- all very helpful~ Frigga
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I think it is a very good question, Frigga. The answer is "yes" and "no". Explanations relating to natal charts apply to the person. So, when we look at Casey's natal chart, we would be able to us the general explanations.
But, many modern western astrologers "emphasize the positive, eliminate the negative" when writing up their comments. When facing a chart such as Casey's, we should consider her situation, and think about whether she used the energies in a positive or negative way.
When looking at an event chart, the basic nature of the planets and aspects remain the same, but the hard aspects should be considered first, as these are the prime cause of the event. The delineation of these relates more to the nature of the event itself, and not as if it were a person.
Every planet has different meanings in different situations. Personal, mundane, medical, etc. There are a lot of keywords that relate to each planet.
Venus, for example can be young women, love, art, items of value, kidneys, thyroid, copper, affection, diplomacy, economics, sensuality,fashion, etc.
Does that help?
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Housemouse! Thank you, that helps alot! I remember reading in the earliest thread for this case that you said to make a list of keywords for each planet or house. I will do that and add it to the keys and charts I have from you (and Soulscape, Tuba, and Leomoon) so far.
Thanks again for taking the time to help teach us, that is a special trait in and of itself, especially with all that is going on with Mr Housemouse, it makes your time and attention all the more precious and valuable to us. I think Caylee is smiling down from heaven on you~ Frigga
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This will be helpful to those of you just beginning your research. I will post another Grand Jury chart showing more information that will be helpful. Save these in a folder on your computer, so you can refer to them when we discuss the events and developments once the trail begins.
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Hi housemouse and all,
I am on brain overload with other things in my life . I feel like I have Astrology dyslexia and rely on the explanations of our Astros to understand what the charts reveal.
I am a tad envious of those who can read them and those who are learning! Maybe one day ..........In the meantime,Thank you for all of your hard work and the info our Astros provide .
I will continue to follow Caylee's case here and look forward to hearing from our Astros-in-training!
I'm sure the trial will be a roller coaster ride and find comfort in many of the past charts.
One more thing, all good thoughts for our dear Tuba.  You are loved!
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I'm also noticing today that KC seems to be in a very good mood. She's laughing and smiling a lot at some of the remarks made in court. She's also very chatty with her lawyer Ms. Frye. They've been talking all day.
I find it very odd that someone on trial for their life for murdering their own child can be so jovial at this time. She acts like she doesn't have a care in the world....maybe she really doesn't...who knows. If I wasn't seeing it happen myself, I probably wouldn't believe it.
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Watchinginky--I found it odd, as well! 
I am relieved to share the post linked below because it appears ICA is no longer in a good mood. No more laughing and not so jovial!!!! It appears reality may be sinking in... YIKES!!! 
"This is KC, as she returned to Orange county. This is ABSOLUTELY DREADFUL looking. I even feel something that borders dangerously close to pity for her. She looks completely exhausted & stressed out. Yeah, I thought that I had a bad week!!"
It will be interesting to learn what the charts tell us about ICA as she was transferred! Oh my.... 
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Marlame,
Thanks for posting the links. I went to Astrodienst and printed all of the basic info on houses, rulerships, meanings attributed to planets and signs etc. I went to another website for critical degree information.
I am assembling a three ring binder with tabs so I can quickly reference things during the trial.
I also added the natal charts for Cindy, Casey, and Caylee; now I am off to find the birth charts for George, Lee and Jose to print and add them too!
I think this case, the players, and actually watching the events unfold in real time are allowing us a very rounded learning experience~ Frigga
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Our Core Astros, SOULSCAPE & HOUSEMOUSE have been working in the background preparing resources and such for this long TRIAL. Our NEPTUNIAN has been in contact with us and will chime in periodically during this period.
Our VERY DEAR TUBA who has been instrumental throughout, is sorely missed by ALL. I love her and see many of you have come to love her since the inception of this Forum. Her contributions are invaluable. She is thoughtful and most generous with her wisdom, knowledge and insight she graciously shares with us. We look forward to seeing her return as soon as she is freed up from her personal business affairs.
WS is expecting a lot of traffic so know that we are reading your posts and will respond as promptly as time allows in between our behind the scenes preparation and personal responsibilities.
Tomorrow, the 23rd, I'll post a request detailing specific times we'd like you to clock so we have multiple confirmations of the exact times we need for certain actions that will happen the morning the TRIAL opens.
Your assistance would be much appreciated.
Thank you dear sleuths for your support and holding CAYLEE so close in your hearts.
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FIFTHESSENCE, I think that is a wonderful idea..This is the first forum I check out to start my day. Tuba, I absolutely agree, an amazing gift. I have grown to love her as well. Also, Soulscape, Paulette, Housemouse and each of you that have an opinion, and dearly am in awe of you, Fithessense, Leomoon80, without your extremely hard work, we wouldn't be here, and I think I speak for a LOT of W/S'ers.
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More information on the Grand Jury Indictment can be found on this page.
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housemouse,
All the charts look just fine and are working perfectly. They're easy to save, to copy into MS Word, and they print beautifully, and are easy to read.
Thank you so much.
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Wow! The thing that sticks out to me like a sore thumb in both the Indictment Chart and Jury Swearing In Chart are the Saturn/Uranus Oppositions... off to look into what this may signify due to the house placements and signs etc.
ETA: And the Sun/Moon opposition in the Indictment Chart, as well!
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Wow! The thing that sticks out to me like a sore thumb in both the Indictment Chart and Jury Swearing In Chart are the Saturn/Uranus Oppositions... off to look into what this may signify due to the house placements and signs etc.
ETA: And the Sun/Moon opposition in the Indictment Chart, as well!
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You are quick to pick up on that Saturn opposition to Uranus. We have been paying close attention to it. I am going to post more on it, as soon as I can write it up. Do you know anything about midpoints?
WE have noticed that the Saturn/Neptune midpoint shows up in all three charts, and deserves some study!
[ B]Major Mistake by me![/b]
I misread my chart, seeing the Saturn/Pluto midpoint as a Saturn/Neptune midpoint! I am so sorry. My eyes are old, and so are my glasses. I better get new ones! I have changed the symbol for Pluto to the other one, so it will be easier to read.
I will post an article tonight explaining the meaning of these.
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Reason: correcting major error!
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A quick outline of a few pertinent midpoints to think about..
In ICA's natal chart, the midpoint of Saturn and Neptune is in hard aspect to both ICA's Pluto and Uranus. The midpoint between two planets will carry the combined energies of both.
Uranus and Pluto were in hard aspect for everyone born around the time ICA was born. So she is not the only one with this aspect in her chart, so we look for aspects in ICA's chart that would "energize" this.
Mars is just past a conjunction to ICA's Uranus and Mercury is squaring both Mars and Mercury. We can't rely on the most personal points in her chart, because we do not have an accurate birth time.
My guess is that ICA was suddenly fed up by the restrictions presented by her responsibility to care for her child, and dreamed of escaping these constraints.
Unfortunately, ICA didn't find a positive way to act on the sudden urges she felt, and we know the result - anger, violence, death, burial, lies, and more.
When we look at the Grand Jury Indictment, the Saturn/Pluto midpoint is on Mars. Action was taken by the jury about this brutal assault and violence, resulting in loss of life.
In the Swearing In of the Jury chart, the Saturn/Neptune midpoint nows shows up on Venus.
A young woman loses the illusion that she would escape the consequences of her actions, and she goes back to jail.
Another element that kept coming up in the juror selection was a continual effort to show ICA as demure, restrained, and soft. Quiet pastels, modest blouses, and efforts to misdirect responsibility onto un-named others seems appropriate here."
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Reason: adding underlining keywords used
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Just a quick quiz... can you all pick out the "keywords" and relate them to the planets mentioned? If not would it help if I underlined them, or put them in parentheses.
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Underlining would be helpful. I did find some clues such as Sun in Taurus 29 degs. No hope of continuation, brooding, enraged, jealous, death
Uranus in Aries 3 degs: Collisions, understanding through information, winds of change, unexpected results.
Now I have no clue if these are correct because I am just beginning but it was an interesting exercise for me to do.
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Underlining would be helpful. I did find some clues such as Sun in Taurus 29 degs. No hope of continuation, brooding, enraged, jealous, death
Uranus in Aries 3 degs: Collisions, understanding through information, winds of change, unexpected results.
Now I have no clue if these are correct because I am just beginning but it was an interesting exercise for me to do.
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That was a thoughtful and excellent attempt at interpretations of the energies in light of the known, factual circumstances, Lambchop.
Keep up your studies!
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