Pa 8-year-old forced into intercourse with woman

[Laece]

http://citizensvoice.com/plymouth-co...#axzz1OuL0wjm0

[Missizzy]

Respectfully, a child is not "forced into intercourse" A child is raped. Plain and simple. The details are appalling:

From the link above:

Plymouth [PA] couple charged with rape of child kept secluded from outside world

"A Plymouth couple has been charged with rape of a child after police say they sexually abused a 13-year-old boy, a child who never learned how to use eating utensils or how to brush his teeth as the couple kept him secluded from the outside world. Charges filed against Carol Ann Hann, 43, and Robert Caravella, 52, both of 210 Gould St., describe the life of a child who was never enrolled in school, never made friends and lived in a filthy home with garbage, rotten food and urine-soaked towels strewn about the floor. Caravella exposed the boy to pornography when he was 8 years old, and eventually Hann forced the boy to have sex with her [SHOULD SAY "RAPED THE CHILD"] as Caravella watched, police said...."

and

".....The child was removed from the home, placed with other family and enrolled in counseling, according to court documents. In January, the boy revealed to his therapist that Hann often had sex with him while Caravella directed them what to do, police said. The boy said he was afraid to refuse, according to court documents...."

more at link

[Missizzy]

Hmmm. Looks like Caravella is in a lot of trouble. Do the math. Those little girls would have been extremely young at the time of the abuse.

http://citizensvoice.com/plymouth-ma...#axzz1P6SXQ6lT

Plymouth man charged with sex abuse of girls
March 23, 2011

"A 51-year-old man is facing a slew of child sex charges for sexually abusing two young girls at homes in Nanticoke and Plymouth between 2002 and 2005, police said today. Robert Caravella is accused of preying on and violating the girls at his former home on North Chestnut Street in Nanticoke and his current home on Gould Street in Plymouth. The girls, now 15 and 10, recently described the horrors of the alleged abuse to investigators, arrest papers say. Caravella made the girls view pornographic magazines and then forcibly subjected them to sexual acts..."

and

"....He is charged with 36 counts of charges, which include involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault of a victim less than 13, aggravated indecent assault of a child, illegal contact with a minor, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of children...."

more at link

[Missizzy]

I don't quite know what's going on here but the same paper with the same date carries another article with far more details than the link in the first post above. Maybe they expounded on the article later:

http://citizensvoice.com/news/couple...#axzz1P6SXQ6lT

Couple charged with rape of child kept secluded from outside world

"....The boy told investigators he was afraid to refuse, worried Hann would yell at him like she did to an autistic man who also lived at the home, court documents said. The abuse started when Caravella exposed the boy to pornography when he was 8 years old, police said. The couple sometimes watched explicit movies with the boy, an activity that devolved into intercourse between Hann and the boy several times a week, according to police documents.

After such encounters, the boy would often express anger by killing one of Hann's cats and told police he killed up to 50 cats during the time of the abuse, investigators said...."


more at link (Far more details and yet the same title too. Strange.)

[Missizzy]

Carol Hann's MS, I believe:

http://www.myspace.com/tigress1167

Her blog/CPS story:

http://www.myspace.com/tigress1167/blog/541688262

19 comments under her blog post with updates from her viewpoint.



The MS page links to here:

http://www.stickam.com/tigfightingcps

Personal Tags:
cps, family, fight, music, tigsduets, tigsnocrapclub, unite, video

Live Description:I am here to entertain, show awareness to a problem that is epidemic, and make friends

[Laece]

Originally Posted by Missizzy

Respectfully, a child is not "forced into intercourse" A child is raped. Plain and simple.

Snipped.

I appreciate the sentiment, but you're really splitting hairs here. Not only does it indicate the same thing (what do you think rape essentially is?) but the point is being made that it isn't as simple as rape, that there was direction and coercion from not one, but two adults.

Sorry if you were offended.

[norest4thewicked]

Some people in this world turn my stomach...

[katydid23]

Add this to the list of people who should be locked up forever. End. Of. Story.

[Missizzy]

Laece--I'm not personally offended at all, as you have a right to your opinion. The words, though, offend me, on behalf of victims and survivors everywhere. I'm merely attempting to point out that the media has long minimized the sexual abuse of children by using words ie. "sexual relationship", "sexual intercourse", or even molestation. The fact is that a child cannot consent to intercourse thus vaginal, oral or anal penetration would always be rape. I think it's quite clear and not "splitting hairs". To me calling this act "forced intercourse" is akin to using the phrase "forced cessation of life" for the crime of murder.

A horrid case.

[TobyWong*]

Originally Posted by Missizzy

Carol Hann's MS, I believe:

http://www.myspace.com/tigress1167

Her blog/CPS story:

http://www.myspace.com/tigress1167/blog/541688262

19 comments under her blog post with updates from her viewpoint.



The MS page links to here:

http://www.stickam.com/tigfightingcps

Personal Tags:
cps, family, fight, music, tigsduets, tigsnocrapclub, unite, video

Live Description:I am here to entertain, show awareness to a problem that is epidemic, and make friends

I just don't know what to make of this woman. The allegations are horrible! Disgusting. She almost seems to make light of the situation by being so smarmy and childish in the way she describes her dealings w/CPS.
IMO
Love that her first thought on the live description is to entertain??? not much about the boyfriend/husband. It's hard to see where her priorities lay. IMO her son ranks low but the drama of all this is #1.

[Salem]

Her blog posts are interesting. I read the ones on her myspace last night. Of note is that she blames all this on her niece and denies the sexual charges in so many words. She talks about being in touch with the child's school BUT no where does she deny that the child did not go to school before all this happened. She does imply that he was home schooled, but she never clarifies if he was home schooled when living with her or he is being home schooled now. It's confusing.

Also, this case started back in Oct. 2010 but charges were not brought until just recently. The article does say the child did not disclose until Feb. 2011.

I hope we get more information.

Salem

[MorenoI]

WOW on the myspace's posts!!!

[Missizzy]

I abhor the fact that the woman is making her case so public but it's fascinating and enlightening to see this through her eyes. I agree that the emphasis seems to be about "winning" and not about the child's best interests. And interesting how she seems to acknowledge that she's dragging her feet about the required therapy and evaluations. I don't want to have to be the one to tell her that there's NO way that that little boy is going home until DHS and LE have cleared this mess up.

As far as the cats, I'm very curious and disturbed. If the child did indeed kill cats, we've got a real problem. If he even said he killed cats, we've still got a real problem. This boy is tremendously confused and conflicted. I'm hopeful that he's making real progress in his relative's home. Carol Hann does not seem to be the child's birth mother. I wonder if he was informally placed with her by family.

To be fair, it should be noted that one of the articles does say that some charges concerning the girls have been dropped. Not sure why. My heart goes out to all the children in this extremely dysfunctional family and to the brother with autism. How I hope he's not also a victim.

[JenniferTx]

All I can say is that there are some really sick people in this world. I am disgusted and want to vomit after reading that article. What makes people think they can treat other human beings like trash?

[LadyL]

so can the boy use utensils or brush his teeth? she makes no mention of these allegations in her blog ... although her posts seem to stop 3 months ago - I wonder if they are new allegations from her sister and or cousin

interesting that she says (per her blog) that her husband has always maintained a silence about the situation

and this child, her 'son' is actually her biological nephew? and he was placed with her cousin ... someone she used to be best friends with until this happened

I don`t think they should`ve placed him with family - clearly they have axes to grind with one another and cannot be impartial - makes me wonder what kind of stories have been planted in the boy`s mind and how much support and counselling this boy has received

ugh, what a mess of dysfunction!

[Missizzy]

I wondered too, about the wisdom of placing the child with family. It's mandated as a first choice but there seems to be a LOT of acrimony here. Possibly the boy had a close relationship to this family member and it was his choice. I'm a bit unclear on all the family dynamics. Preteens and teens are typically questioned about their preferences if there are options. In rereading the blog and here:

http://www.myspace.com/tigress1167/stream

she does refer to Caravella as the boy's father and she refers to herself as the mom. I wonder if she might be the step-mom. I also saw that she names the teen who accused Caravella of molestation and said that it was revenge. I'm shocked by the number of friends and comments after her posts.

I checked back to read any comments on the articles linked upthread and noticed that someone had written that Carol's website has been taken down. According to the commenter, CPS has done this. Somehow, I doubt that. I checked both the MS blog and the Stickam site and they're both active. I also found these:

http://www.singsnap.com/karaoke/member/tigress1167

http://www.singsnap.com/snap/forum/topic/b22b946 (there's mention that this is back on-line)

http://www.myspace.com/fightcpsnow


Hold on. This might be more about it:

http://www.wnep.com/wnep-luz-hann-ca...0,519773.story

Campaign for Custody
June 15, 2011

"Carol Hann of Plymouth apparently plastered the alleged victim's picture online to try to get him back and her Facebook activity appears to show her working with a group where one member posted a video advocating the execution of government workers who protect children.

Arrest papers claim the 13-year-old boy stayed in filthy conditions in Hann's home, never enrolling in school, not knowing basic skills like brushing his teeth and subject to a sexual relationship with Carol Hann.

After social workers moved him to another home last year, Hann's Facebook page started showing pictures of the child with messages like "Stolen by CPS" and "Have you seen him?"

more at link (disturbing article and video, but lots of answers)


FWIW, typically any child in the foster care system is not allowed to be photographed for public viewing without the permission of their case manager. That, alone, could get Hann in trouble. I checked and Hann's FB page is down but here's the site she affiliated with:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/CPS-Vi...e/336624187863

[Missizzy]

A new article today:

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/boy...#axzz1Pl8XoMDT

Boy's private life allowed alleged abuse to continue for years

"...When investigators found him, they found a child with no morals or value system. He didn't understand the difference between good intimacy and bad intimacy or even what sex was, police said. The boy, upset by the abuse, killed as many as 50 cats, according to the affidavit. He had no friends and little contact with the world...."

more at link

[Missizzy]

http://www.timesleader.com/news/Woma...6-27-2011.html

Woman: Boy coerced to tell a lie
June 28, 2011

Carol Hann gets her chance to give her side of the story. A very well balanced article. I have a lot of questions for Hann, even if she is telling even partly the truth.

[Laece]

Originally Posted by Missizzy

Laece--I'm not personally offended at all, as you have a right to your opinion. The words, though, offend me, on behalf of victims and survivors everywhere. I'm merely attempting to point out that the media has long minimized the sexual abuse of children by using words ie. "sexual relationship", "sexual intercourse", or even molestation. The fact is that a child cannot consent to intercourse thus vaginal, oral or anal penetration would always be rape. I think it's quite clear and not "splitting hairs". To me calling this act "forced intercourse" is akin to using the phrase "forced cessation of life" for the crime of murder.

A horrid case.

Jeez, this was a month ago, but I'm just seeing this now, I'm sorry! I see your point, I really do. I guess it's hard to explain over the internet exactly what I mean, as things often are, but I'll try to make it simple by using an example.

I remember vaguely a case involving someone who held a mother and son at gunpoint and forced them to have sex with each other. In that case, I do not believe the mother 'raped' her son but was 'coerced into intercourse' by another adult meaning harm, and at the time was comparing that scenario with this one. Not the same thing, but at the time not as many details were known. Does that make sense? I hope so, lol.

[Missizzy]

Yes it does, Laece. Thank you for clarifying. I know that the media often use the phrase "sexual intercourse" when they mean rape but I also know that victims of rape do not care for that. The word "intercourse", to me, denotes a level of consensus.

But thanks for checking back. This is a HORRID and nasty case, no matter what words are used.

[Laece]

You're quite welcome, and I completely agree.

[Missizzy]

I hadn't seen this interview. It's the one referred to in my link upthread:

http://pahomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=189817

Accused Molester Speaks: Jailhouse Interview

[Filly]

After 90 minutes a Judge decided that there is enough evidence so Hann and Caravella are going to court on numerous charges.

The poor kid had to testify.

Per usual hann said she was set up.

http://www.timesleader.com/news/Coup...in-court-.html

[shgrbkr]

Stuff like this makes me wonder just how many children are victimized by caretakers and it is never found out! The percentage must be astronomical. These criminals are completely self-absorbed and probably satanists. It's disgusting. She may very well be that child's mother; she would have been 30 when he was born. I suspect that they may have conceived him for the sole purpose of victimizing him this way. It is obvious that they don't care about him otherwise. I just hate to think of all the people who are never caught.

[Missizzy]

Legions of children do not tell and the secret is held in for years. I believe that there's many WSers who were abused and didn't tell until later. Look at clery abuse, scout abuse, the massive cases involving doctors. Common as rain.

Being that our children did tell and faced the system, I can say from personal experience that it's brutal. I've often wondered if children would really tell if they knew the full consequences. It used to really bother me that other victims in our case had parents who chose to move away or did not allow their child to be interviewed. I laughed off moving. This was our home. We did nothing wrong. Now I'm not so sure that was the right choice. A part of me fully understands the need to run now. The judicial system was not set up to be child friendly. Once a child discloses, it can be decades until there is legal closure--not to mention emotional closure.

Concerning this case, I believe this boy is a relative but not a birth child. It's hard to fully understand the family dynamics.

Of course, Hann was set up. Aren't they all?