Who believes that Cindy should be prosecuted for perjury? Or is it just me...?

[MissJames]

Just a friendly reminder,the title of this thread is "Who believes CA should be prosecuted for perjury. This is about opinions.

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by rotterdam

I meant the part about not prosecuting the parents in regards to JP.
I also do not think that JP will impose the DP because of the parents. The quoted case refers to a vile multiple murder convict including a disabled son if I recall correctly.

BBM. I don't see why not- Scott Peterson's parents also lost a grandchild at his own hands, and he still got the Death Sentence...

[Nova]

Originally Posted by aeneas1

the state impeached her testimony with rebuttal witnesses - hardly the same as they "proved" she lied, no?

No, it is not the same. Not at all.

[MissJames]

Originally Posted by rotterdam

I meant the part about not prosecuting the parents in regards to JP.
I also do not think that JP will impose the DP because of the parents. The quoted case refers to a vile multiple murder convict including a disabled son if I recall correctly.

I thought HHJP looked PO'd when LDB was arguing to get the computer impeachment testimony in? He was NOT HAPPY with CA or the DT.
JMO ,but I think if there is something he can do legally to CA ,he will.
He takes AMERICAN LAWS very seriously and as far I know parents are not exempt. Again,JMO.

[Nova]

Originally Posted by MissJames

Cindy also provided several items to the DT,while trying to THWART the State. JB finally turned them over to the state after Caylee was found .

And that is the DT's obligation. So what did CA do wrong here?

The State is trying to kill her daughter. I don't think that can be stressed too often.

[Amster]

Originally Posted by LinasK

BBM. I don't see why not- Scott Peterson's parents also lost a grandchild at his own hands, and he still got the Death Sentence...

EXACTLY!! In that case, also, no cause of death could be determined. There is actually more evidence in this case, I believe.

The Peterson parents were reviled and hated and despised. Sort of the way I feel about the Ants......

[Chiquita71]

Originally Posted by Nova

Chiquita, I would never speak to you as if you were a child. I have no reason to do so.

I don't think the Anthonys are perfect, by any means. But they have lost their beloved grandchild and their only daughter is facing the death penalty.

Certainly, perjury is wrong. But I don't think you can prove it in this case and even if you could, I don't think we need to clog our justice system prosecuting grieving parents who at worst are trying to save their child.

Pointing out that CA probably lied about the searches? Fine. Putting her in prison for trying to keep the needle out of her daughter's arm? Too much.

As I've already said. The jurors will figure out what CA did.

RespectfullyQuoted Nova

What I meant by the child comment was how would you explain to a child how it is okay that Cindy gave the names of innocent people as the murderers of her grandchild to save her child's life, which if you read the documents you will see Cindy was only doing what was bad for Casey. If you were engaged in that very activity how would you explain that act to a child. I ask respectfully.

It is not disrespectful to speak to one like a child. I just do not understand why adults would teach children not to lie but then say lying is okay. I respectfully do not understand.

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by Nova

And that is the DT's obligation. So what did CA do wrong here?

The State is trying to kill her daughter. I don't think that can be stressed too often.

What Cindy did wrong (besides pre-trial) was to lie under oath. That is Not acceptable under any circumstance! Even when one admits her and George's testimony were of no help... The thing Cindy can do for Casey is to plead for her life at sentencing, not try to deny that Casey is guilty of murdering her granddaughter!
BBM. To this I say: "So what!" I have an only child that I had to have IVF after several miscarriages and infertility to have. I still would never lie for her, even if it meant she got the Death Sentence!!!

[MissJames]

Originally Posted by Nova

Actually, the state proved CA made an error in remembering events from three years ago. (Do you have perfect recall of 2008? I don't.)

Proving CA lied is another step and not an easy one to prove.

Luckily the State has multiple interviews and a depo of CA changing her "memories" .
I gave my opinion

[Wescott]

Originally Posted by Nova

And that is the DT's obligation. So what did CA do wrong here?

The State is trying to kill her daughter. I don't think that can be stressed too often.

And her daughter killed her grandaughter, one of the penalties is the death penalty. That is the law in many states in your country. There are also penalties for lying under oath so if she was willing to do so she should "man up" and face the consequences as should her daughter.

[deelytful1]

LMBO.. after reading some of the posts, I have to wonder if CA comes to our site to vent! I really hope she does!!! But, like her daughter she probably won't be rehabilitated from her sociopathy!!

[Nova]

Originally Posted by LinasK

What Cindy did wrong (besides pre-trial) was to lie under oath. That is Not acceptable under any circumstance! Even you admitted her and George's testimony were of no help... The thing Cindy can do for Casey is to plead for her life at sentencing, not try to deny that Casey is guilty of murdering her granddaughter!

Linas, that particular post was in response to one claiming CA gave items of importance to Baez (who turned them over to the State) rather than directly to LE.

I was honestly asking why that was a crime?

Again, CA's testimony was impeached (i.e., contradicted). Proving it was a deliberate lie is something else entirely (despite your and my private opinions).

[cyberborg]

Originally Posted by LinasK

I completely agree with you! I don't understand this "Leave Cindy alone, she's been through enough" mentality. What Cindy's been through is largely of her own making, and she's been lying ever since she made the 911 calls! If she wants to plea for Casey's life- her chance is to do that is at sentencing. I thought she stood up for Caylee during the trial, until she started lying again for her murderer. That's NOT "unconditional" love, nor should it be. As other posters have stated, why have perjury laws if you're not going to enforce them??? Just because Cindy is a "grieving grandma" doesn't mean she is above the law!!!

The A's have been given a lot of free passes. They were also allowed to sit in on the whole trial despite being witnesses only to make notes and prepare testimony. Caylee may be alive today and ICA free had not CA enabled ICA via mistruths, half truths and, a complete lack of boundaries and accountability.

CA continues to make the same mistake today that she has made over and over.

If we are going to punish the lady that shouted out at Jury selection and the guy who showed the finger then why is CA any different? Double standards? The same way this trial has cost hundreds of man hours and thousands of dollars ... CA may have influenced the outcome by her actions leading to a skewed verdict, a hung Jury or, ICA going free. How would we feel if justice is denied?

As Horowitz said to NG ... How are you helping your kids by lying for them? ... In fact you are committing a crime and becoming an accessory after the fact.

I'd forgive CA's prior sins but lying so blatantly in a court of law deserves punishment. CA should be charged with perjury whether it flies or not.

[Nova]

Originally Posted by MissJames

Luckily the State has multiple interviews and a depo of CA changing her "memories" .
I gave my opinion

Yet again, changing one's mind or remembering events differently over a period of years isn't proof of lying.

[Amster]

Originally Posted by Nova

And that is the DT's obligation. So what did CA do wrong here?

The State is trying to kill her daughter. I don't think that can be stressed too often.

The state is not trying to kill ICA. The state is seeking justice for CAYLEE. The victim in this case. 2 yr. old CAYLEE. Remember her?? Precious, innocent little girl. Duct tape placed over her little nose and mouth. Dumped like trash in a swamp. Her little skeleton scattered by animals who gnawed on her tiny bones. Not reported missing by her "mother" for 31 days. The smell of her decomposing body in the trunk of the "mothers" car.....no, the state of Florida is not trying to kill Cindy's daughter. CAYLEE was a person. She had worth to this world. She had every right to live. The State of Florida is being the voice of CAYLEE and seeking justice for her death. Bless CAYLEES angels here on earth....

[Boytwnmom]

Martha was convicted of two counts of lying to federal investigators under this statute:

§ 1001. Statements or entries generally
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully--
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device[ , ] a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry.

It's pretty clear to me that CA went way beyond what (this statute is not applicable in the Anthony case-not federal) Martha did insofar as the extent and seriousness of the misrepresentations and crimes involved (murder versus a stock sale of $228k). So, if Martha was proper fodder for this type of charge why not CA who really did on many occasions seek to essentially derail justice to protect her daughter. The latest where she testified falsely in a capital case is about as serious as one can get.

Originally Posted by rookie

I keep remembering that Martha Stewart was sent to jail for "lying under oath".
I'm sure there was more to it but...

I also think that the whole family have lied and covered things up from day 1.
Cindy ran the show and George was so scared of her that he was sneaking to the police station.
Your wife has that much control over you that you can't tell the truth?

I do believe he had an affair with that woman also.
Use a woman for sympathy, get money from her and tell your wife you're working.
Wow! What a guy!

Every answer on the stand was like pulling teeth!
From all of them! Just answer the **** question!

Cindy saying, "Look at Jesse Grund, Any H., etc., etc."
Anyone but my daughter. When we all knew it couldn't be anyone BUT her daughter from about day 2.

The way both she and George behaved at the ZFG depo. Disgraceful!
"How dare you sir!" And "You are not a 10!"
You pieces of (what your daughter treated HER daughter as)!

And Lee saying, "I believe everything my sister tells me." How about you molested her?
You believe that?
And that CMA stuff at the memorial service and asking people to not judge the inmate,
but instead, send her letters. OMG!!!

And last, but not least, the Media!
They have all made this bigger than it should have been.
They have made these liars celebrities!
They must all be in a panic thinking, "What are we going to sensationalize now?"

Poor little Caylee has been a cash cow for so many people.
It makes me so sick!!!!!!!

So yes, I hope they prosecute her.
*Unless it takes out the 911 call.*
And I wish the state of Florida would fine them to recoup some of the cost of the trial.

They collected a lot of money off of their NOT missing granddaughter.

And last, I hope they are never welcome on another television program for as long as I live.
I don't want to see their lying faces ever again.

They have shown the "worst" of humanity.
Sadly, I think we'll see more of this. (from other people)

[deelytful1]

Originally Posted by MissJames

BBM

But isn't that pretty much what she was doing?She used words or stories, if you will,but it meant the same thing IMO

Too true! i never thought about it that way! that poor (albeit dumb) guy gets 6 days for giving the finger and she might not get a THING for her miscarriage of justice???
Definitely not fair....

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by Nova

Yet again, changing one's mind or remembering events differently over a period of years isn't proof of lying.

How convienient for Cindy?
It worked for Ronald Reagan- he claimed Alzheimer's to cover up for his misdeeds in the Iran-Contra affair...

[Nova]

Originally Posted by Chiquita71

RespectfullyQuoted Nova

What I meant by the child comment was how would you explain to a child how it is okay that Cindy gave the names of innocent people as the murderers of her grandchild to save her child's life, which if you read the documents you will see Cindy was only doing what was bad for Casey. If you were engaged in that very activity how would you explain that act to a child. I ask respectfully.

It is not disrespectful to speak to one like a child. I just do not understand why adults would teach children not to lie but then say lying is okay. I respectfully do not understand.

It's hard to answer these questions when CA is now accused of every crime since the Crucifixion!

A mother gives LE the names of possible suspects? I think that's standard procedure. A mother is in denial and doesn't want to believe her daughter killed her grandchild? Pretty much to be expected, don't you think?

If I were talking to a child, I would say lying is wrong, but not every wrong is punished with a term in prison. I don't doubt CA has made other mistakes as well, but most of the ones listed aren't punishable with prison terms.

(BTW, this is a place to trade and compare opinions. I see nothing disrespectful in your disagreeing with or challenging mine. )

[Nova]

Originally Posted by LinasK

How convienient for Cindy?
It worked for Ronald Reagan- he claimed Alzheimer's to cover up for his misdeeds in the Iran-Contra affair...

Did he claim that? Or did the rest of us claim that? IIRC, he just said he forgot.

[Amster]

Originally Posted by Nova

Yet again, changing one's mind or remembering events differently over a period of years isn't proof of lying.

Who did that in this case?

[crucibelle]

Originally Posted by Nova

That doesn't prove that she doesn't honestly believe she made that search three years ago on the days in question. An error is not the same as a lie.

(Do I think she lied? Sure. But proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is something else entirely.)

Hi Nova ... I took the poster that I was replying to, to not believe that it had been simply proven that the searches had NOT been made. What I should have said there, is that it has been clearly proven that the searches had, in fact, not been made. I might have misunderstood the post I was replying to - not sure. I agree with you that it would be hard to prove whether Cindy made an error or outright lied. She could also just blame her meds, again.

[Quiche]

Originally Posted by Nova

LinasK, I'm not saying that whatever perjury CA (I don't know about GA) committed was "okay." I'm saying that putting grieving grandparents in jail for trying to keep their daughter alive is too much.

On the whole, their testimony was NOT helpful to KC. While still on the stand, GA basically said KC was guilty. They will have to live with that for the rest of their lives (along with anything they may have done that helped to trigger the murder itself). Enough is enough!

From The Merchant of Venice:

PORTIA
The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes....

There is a dedicated portion of the trial for Cindy to plead for KC's life, it's there for a purpose. Instead, she chose to take the stand and insist on a total fabrication that the State had to pay dearly in man hours and expenses to reveal.

What she did was shameful and illegal, and don't think for a minute think that the man who watches the pennies didn't notice that costly folly. No way.

moo

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by Amster

Who did that in this case?

Cindy- she supposedly has memory-improving meds now, yet she still got her search dates wrong!!!

[beach]

HEADS UP!

From here on any post with the word YOU in it will be removed. I have already removed several. Everyone is now put on notice that all posts must be written based on YOUR own analysis - NOT on what the other guy says.

So..... review your post and find a way to word it without using "you" or your post will be zapped.

I have a LOT of patience for most things but it is VERY THIN when it comes to attacking the poster instead of addressing the post.


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