IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #17

[mamamia54]

It looks pretty much to me that he's already tweekin. That isn't just intoxication. When someone is introverted, they normally come out personality wise when they get drunk, not get more introverted, and he is.

[Carmen101]

Originally Posted by VeryVeritas

I'll bet from up there you can see if the coast is clear in the gravel lot, and perhaps a lot more...

That's an excellent point, VV!

[Darcyline]

I am probably going to feel dumb after this question, but where is JR in that video? My video is skipping a little bit so I am guessing the part with him is just being skipped over?

Looks like a typical college student party except it seems sort of weird that some of the girls seem significantly older.

[soyesterday]

That is an interesting video of AB....i don't know what to think about it.....

[PlainJaneDoe]

Originally Posted by Darcyline

I am probably going to feel dumb after this question, but where is JR in that video? My video is skipping a little bit so I am guessing the part with him is just being skipped over?

Looks like a typical college student party except it seems sort of weird that some of the girls seem significantly older.

I noticed that too. But I have never been very accurate in judging age...are they grad student age, maybe? Recent alumnae?

[Alliecog]

Originally Posted by PlainJaneDoe

I noticed that too. But I have never been very accurate in judging age...are they grad student age, maybe? Recent alumnae?

They're juniors and seniors in college. LS just finished her sophomore year, I don't remember who else was in her class but her roommates.

[jadejazzkayla]

Originally Posted by Pedrosmom

The event involving Lauren; that being what started on camera around 3AM which LE has not released to the public and ultimately led to her being missing.

bbm...

Le did say that Lauren and another person was seen on video at 2:48 and again at 2:51 and there was activity.

Le did not say that something seen on either of those two videos ultimately led to Lauren being missing.

[Walker]

Originally Posted by Jupiter812

@ Walker and anyone else: I've been meaning to post about LS's academic coursework. Although there is a lack of consistency about specifics, it is unambiguous that LS was not in fact finished with her coursework.

She was either in her last two weeks of IU's first summer session or in the first two weeks of Ivy Tech's 1st summer session, or she hadn't started Ivy Tech's 2nd session.

Yes. Just found this media reference:


Link: http://www.lohud.com/article/2011061...ollege-student

Spierer was just two weeks from finishing summer classes when she vanished, and was planning to return to Greenburgh this week for an internship at Anthropologie, a clothing store in The Westchester mall.

The Westchester mall is in White Plains NY, a suburban city near Greenburgh, where her parents live.

She had plans to do an internship with Anthropologie (an esteemed gig I'm sure). I've read two different locations, Manhattan and her hometown.

JMO: A person contemplating running away might wait until their courses are complete first; therefore, the fact that LS was mid-way through a program lessens the probabilty that she would run away.

OTOH: Were her attendance and performance in the course satisfactory? If she were not doing well, perhaps she was upset about something, and didn't care if she finished.

Anthropologie is retail chain. “Internship” can be code for working for free. If IU gives academic credit for “internships,” she may have been required to pay for the privilege of being allowed to do free work for the store.

JMO the internship in the local mall would not have been enough to dissuade her from running away.

With terrible rumors about the people in her social circle, whether true or false, LS may have been frightened enough to leave.

[Darcyline]

Originally Posted by Alliecog

They're juniors and seniors in college. LS just finished her sophomore year, I don't remember who else was in her class but her roommates.

I think all of the POIs or people we know are connected are in that age range (19-22ish?) but some of the girls in the video look illegitimately 30+ or even 35+. I feel mean though because maybe it is just someone who looks older than they are or just a random older sister or grad student who stopped in for some fun ha ha.

[Darcyline]

Sorry if this posts twice in a row for me, but my cousin got an internship at Anthropologie that was definitely not just "free work" and she was over the moon about it. Anthropologie is a pretty trendy store tight now especially with the younger crowds and her internship entailed actually working in the offices with some of the fashion directors.

But, I guess there are internships that would just be a glorified cashier position for free.

[Berk13]

Originally Posted by Alliecog

They're juniors and seniors in college. LS just finished her sophomore year, I don't remember who else was in her class but her roommates.

I think PlainJaneDoe was talking about the girls in the video that TG posted of AB. I noticed they looked older, too! Definitely grad school age at least. Why did she kiss him at the end of the video??? I was confused by that.

Also, where was JR in the video? I didn't see him.

[soyesterday]

Originally Posted by Berk13

I think PlainJaneDoe was talking about the girls in the video that TG posted of AB. I noticed they looked older, too! Definitely grad school age at least. Why did she kiss him at the end of the video??? I was confused by that.

Also, where was JR in the video? I didn't see him.

I was wondering that too. Why did she kiss him like that at the end of the video?

I'd have to watch it again, but they did show another guy for a sec in the video. Was that JR?
Like the video turned to him, but i don't know if it was JR or not?

[Carmen101]

No, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

[Walker]

Originally Posted by Alliecog

The only person who seems to have any roots in israel is HT, the only way I can tell that is by her name... It is very Israeli. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I truly believe that you need to focus your energy elsewhere, there is no evidence/reason to think that anyone is in Israel. JR probably went on birthright which is a ten day program for Jewish people ages 18-26, I'm ineligible since I went in high school but Birthright isn't going to make anybody move to Israel.

Why are you so insistent upon Israel as a location for these people??

I was only responding to someone else's suggestion that JR is in Israel.

The thought crossed my mind that maybe close friend JR is searching for LS.

[phantomthought]

Originally Posted by Alliecog

The only person who seems to have any roots in israel is HT, the only way I can tell that is by her name... It is very Israeli. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I truly believe that you need to focus your energy elsewhere, there is no evidence/reason to think that anyone is in Israel. JR probably went on birthright which is a ten day program for Jewish people ages 18-26, I'm ineligible since I went in high school but Birthright isn't going to make anybody move to Israel.

Why are you so insistent upon Israel as a location for these people??

Maybe because unlike any other country as long as JW is Jewish or one of his parents or grandparents are he would be automatically granted citizenship.It is called the law of return.I suggest you look up the case of Samuel Sheinbein the 19 year old wanted for murder who fled to Israel and who Israel refused to extradite to face the charges in the United States.

[Carmen101]

Originally Posted by Jupiter812

This is a June 9 article. Lt. Parker was leading the PCs.

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...ews.635642.sto


"Street cameras between the Smallwood and the apartments she visited at 11th and Morton streets did capture additional footage of the 20-year-old student. This footage is “basically just her presence” going through those camera fields,” Parker said. She is with someone else in this video “making their way” to the apartment, Parker said."

Isn't this the video of LS heading toward JR and CR's building at 2:51?

The vague statement about "someone else" is troublesome-- someone other than CR or is LE saying someone was with her, she wasn't alone?

[Walker]

Originally Posted by TonyGatto

What would make you even ask the question if they have dual citizenship? They are Americans who were born in the United States, of American-born parents. The only thing that could possibly make you ask that question is that you are hung up on their being Jewish.

No. Lots of Jewish-Americans have dual citizenship. And, US gives Israelis American citizenship very easily.

My point is that if JR had gone to Israel, and he was culpable in LS's death, he would only being adding another possible venue of legal prosecution.

[Walker]

Originally Posted by phantomthought

Maybe because unlike any other country as long as JW is Jewish or one of his parents or grandparents are he would be automatically granted citizenship.It is called the law of return.I suggest you look up the case of Samuel Sheinbein the 19 year old wanted for murder who fled to Israel and who Israel refused to extradite to face the charges in the United States.

I agree.

But don't forget that LS (or her parents on her behalf) could also claim Israeli citizenship, and receive protection under Israeli law, but Israeli law regarding drug-related crime is entirely different. If JR is culpable, he could face two different sets of charges in two different countries. The case would be very interesting.

[mamamia54]

I'm just sitting looking at Lauren's photo leaving Smallwood, with her jacket in one arm along with her little clutch purse, and her hand holding what could be a necklace, and thinking that unless her cell phone went off, it's probably inside that clutch purse.

Now, to my way of thinking, she wouldn't have had any reason to take the cell phone out. She must have had reason to have the phone out at that point inside Kilroy's. I'm wondering what the point was that it was used inside.

[Tr.]

Originally Posted by Carmen101

Isn't this the video of LS heading toward JR and CR's building at 2:51?

The vague statement about "someone else" is troublesome-- someone other than CR or is LE saying someone was with her, she wasn't alone?

The more I read this the more I think that LE is just being cautious not to mention names when in fact they are referring to CR on the video.

The tone of LE changed (imo) about the same time as the lawyers got involved.

[Tr.]

Originally Posted by mamamia54

I'm just sitting looking at Lauren's photo leaving Smallwood, with her jacket in one arm along with her little clutch purse, and her hand holding what could be a necklace, and thinking that unless her cell phone went off, it's probably inside that clutch purse.

Now, to my way of thinking, she wouldn't have had any reason to take the cell phone out. She must have had reason to have the phone out at that point inside Kilroy's. I'm wondering what the point was that it was used inside.

Just curious, what do you make of the item on her right wrist?
Do you see anything around her neck?

[mamamia54]

Originally Posted by Tr.

Just curious, what do you make of the item on her right wrist?
Do you see anything around her neck?

I see nothing around her neck, but I know how I am, when I have something that means something to me around my neck, I'm putting my hand there every so often to make damn certain that it's still there, OR, someone commented on it and I was reacting to the mention of it and touched it!

What I can make out on her right wrist is one of those wrist bands that mean something to each individual person. Someone made it and it means something to Lauren. JMHO

[VeryVeritas]

Originally Posted by Alliecog

The only person who seems to have any roots in israel is HT, the only way I can tell that is by her name... It is very Israeli. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I truly believe that you need to focus your energy elsewhere, there is no evidence/reason to think that anyone is in Israel. JR probably went on birthright which is a ten day program for Jewish people ages 18-26, I'm ineligible since I went in high school but Birthright isn't going to make anybody move to Israel.

Why are you so insistent upon Israel as a location for these people??

There are only 2 things which have crossed my mind and both of them involve HT. I was curious if she was from Israel. The reason is that she may have some different perspectives and be more trusting of people if she grew up in Israel. I found some of her statements released in the beginning to sound rather naive, perhaps the press just filtered it that way.

The other reason I asked is because it seemed that people not going to IU showed up as the term was ending, and had seen some posts about diplomatic immunity and such. I was curious if there were possibly people from the Middle East visiting during this time. it's certainly a stretch given the far more likely scenarios, but there have been abduction cases where people with diplomatic immunity have used their status to shanghai (often drunk or drugged) women on private jets.

[Walker]

Originally Posted by VeryVeritas

There are only 2 things which have crossed my mind and both of them involve HT. I was curious if she was from Israel. The reason is that she may have some different perspectives and be more trusting of people if she grew up in Israel. I found some of her statements released in the beginning to sound rather naive, perhaps the press just filtered it that way.

Yes. Journalists will sometimes pretend to be the best friend of the person they are interviewing, just to get a good story. HT seems to have trusted that attention, whereas generally an American college student would either know or be quickly advised by parents/guardian to only make statements 1. expressing sympathy with the family or 2. asking people to help make searches.

[Jupiter812]

Originally Posted by Walker

Yes. Just found this media reference:


Link: http://www.lohud.com/article/2011061...ollege-student



The Westchester mall is in White Plains NY, a suburban city near Greenburgh, where her parents live.






JMO: A person contemplating running away might wait until their courses are complete first; therefore, the fact that LS was mid-way through a program lessens the probabilty that she would run away.

OTOH: Were her attendance and performance in the course satisfactory? If she were not doing well, perhaps she was upset about something, and didn't care if she finished.

Anthropologie is retail chain. “Internship” can be code for working for free. If IU gives academic credit for “internships,” she may have been required to pay for the privilege of being allowed to do free work for the store.

JMO the internship in the local mall would not have been enough to dissuade her from running away.

With terrible rumors about the people in her social circle, whether true or false, LS may have been frightened enough to leave.

Sorry, Walker, you'll have to cross off any upsetting course performance as a reason for LS to flee from your list too. Weeks ago I read an interview with her fashion design professor who said she was an excellent student, very engaged, did extra work or stayed late to do extra work, that she was skilled and had potential.

Why don't you consider the articles that reference a Manhattan location for her internship? Is the Westchester one easier to criticize? Even if she does have to pay for the internship credit, so what? In her industry as a sophomore, Anthropologie is a get.

You can poo-poo the internship all you want but it just sounds like another excuse--almost a refusal--to accept that she did indeed have many positive things happening in her life! Furthermore, if she is so afraid of her friends, so unhappy with life, why enroll in a summer course at all?