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Old 07-13-2011, 03:43 PM
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according to the jurors interviewed so far:
1)the prosecution lawyers weren't as fun to watch as JB Inconsistent with instructions
2)George behaved badly on the stand Not evidence
3)they didn't want to be responsible for anybody's death without knowing "manner of death" of the victim HHJP told them not to consider this in the G/NG phase, IIRC

Ohhhhh the insanity!!!!
Red by me....so, any hooo, I kinda figured JB was peeking at us when we started the Jose "Quite Frankly" Baez thread and we never heard "quite frankly" again. A couple of other little things here and there.

There are very few, IMO, blogs, forums or otherwise that would be worth viewing or could be taken seriously aside from this one. This is, after all, the forum where a head detective (that always reminds me of the Damon Wayans bit), friends, bondsman, attorneys and other key sleuthers primarily reside.

I don't feel we gave them anything to use against Caylee, and that is the important issue. If the jury chose to do what they did, it has little to do with us. What I would hope, in the very least, is that maybe this consultant took a look at the many other threads on this forum and passed along to the squad the good work that is done here. Not that they care about justice for missing children, but I would like to think they realize there is a much greater good out there than their paychecks.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:44 PM
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No one here should feel responsible AT ALL. Discussions were done here in good faith.

But here's my issue: every person that testifies... swears to tell the truth in that courtroom. But the Cheney Mason/Jose Baez team is not concerned with "truth." They are actually concocting stories as they go along...that Internet research tells them might just float. There's nothing about "truth" in that.

They realized George was vulnerable. BINGO! They made the man a child rapist. Didn't matter that it was a lie. George and Lee, no matter how anyone feels about them, will have to live the rest of their lives burdened by the lies of slick, saavy lawyers who came here and elsewhere to choose their Targets-to-Smear.

This is the Cheney Mason/Jose Baez approach to their jobs. Trial by trumped-up character assassination.

If the Internet was the origin for choosing Targets...then it would seem...everything they said was created by the jury consultant, not Casey.
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Another quote:

"I preferred to have people on the jury who didn't have children. All the bloggers kept saying, 'I'm a grandparent and if my grandkid went missing for three minutes I would know,' or, 'I'm a mother and I wouldn't be out partying if my daughter was missing.'
Guess the bloggers weren't that idiotic.

But I've never understood this idea that the childless would be OK with the murder.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:46 PM
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gee if casey was so innocent why the need to scrounge the web for insight. the evidence would have spoken loud and clear for her. oh wait. there was nothing pointing to her being inncoent of the charges. JMO. ugh. everyday i read something new that angers me again. it feels like this trial/verdict will continue to twist the knife deeper into those of us who cannot stop reading about it. everyday is a new reason to be upset. i wish i could stop reading/posting on this particular case post verdict but at times its catharic to discuss this because no one in my world cares to listen. they are all 'over it"
i actually feel bad since i've neglected reading all of the other cases since the trial started.

i always felt the DT read this site. so JB isnt brilliant. posters are. at least he got to read everyones opinions on his behavior - although he probably thinks he since he "won" it doesnt matter.
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No one here should feel responsible AT ALL. Discussions were done here in good faith.

But here's my issue: every person that testifies... swears to tell the truth in that courtroom. But the Cheney Mason/Jose Baez team is not concerned with "truth." They are actually concocting stories as they go along...that Internet research tells them might just float. There's nothing about "truth" in that.

They realized George was vulnerable. BINGO! They made the man a child rapist. Didn't matter that it was a lie. George and Lee, no matter how anyone feels about them, will have to live the rest of their lives burdened by the lies of slick, saavy lawyers who came here and elsewhere to choose their Targets-to-Smear.

This is the Cheney Mason/Jose Baez approach to their jobs. Trial by trumped-up character assassination.

If the Internet was the origin for choosing Targets...then it would seem...everything they said was created by the jury consultant, not Casey.
And she was glad to oblige-The jury consultant didn't shake KC's head for her, mouth stupid utterances-nope-she did all the dramatic acting by her little self.
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This isn't anything new, though. Defense attorneys in big cases have always kept an eye on what the public is saying, and I don't think that's a bad thing. The actual players in a trial can't always tell how their strategies are being received, and finding out what other people think is as close as they can get to an idea of what the jurors might be thinking. The only difference now is that the internet is here to make that easier (or maybe harder, in that there's way more info to sort through). Twenty years ago attorneys monitored what was being said in magazines, newspapers, and on TV.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:50 PM
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IMO, trials are almost always about who puts on a better case, not just about the "truth". Both sides leave out what won't help their case. I'd be willing to bet I've never seen a trial where someone did not lie on the stand, just not as obviously and provable as Cindy did.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:51 PM
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But doesn't this show that they were not presenting Casey's story? Is it legal for attorneys to make up the story as they go along...depending on vulnerabilities that their consultants feed them?
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Guess the bloggers weren't that idiotic.

But I've never understood this idea that the childless would be OK with the murder.
I don't think that anyone figures childless people 'would be OK' with anything. At least I hope no one thinks that.

I think the idea is that people with children or grandchildren would be more likely to focus in on the '31 days' and post-disappearance behavior and interpret it according to their own parenting and how they think they would act, perhaps to the extent that it would overshadow everything else. So I can understand the defense in this case leaning toward jurors without children who wouldn't zero in on just that.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:57 PM
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We all knew they were reading here. We knew they were reading here WHILE THE TRIAL WAS GOING ON. There were many statements said in open court that came straight from some of our threads. In fact, I waved to Dotty many times as that seemed to be her main job, babysitting and reading blogs.

It does make you wonder though which bloggers (who are now missing from amongst us) were DTwannabes, or are just maybe dis-illusioned and have stopped posting. Not all of them IMHO were the obvious plants...the ones that you had to put on your ignore list. Guess we will never know. Kind of like what happened to Caylee. We'll never know.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:58 PM
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But doesn't this show that they were not presenting Casey's story? Is it legal for attorneys to make up the story as they go along...depending on vulnerabilities that their consultants feed them?
All in a defense attorney's day's work.
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Old 07-13-2011, 04:08 PM
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I hope NG or one of those shows will discuss this article. To me, it shows the inherent dishonesty of Baez and Mason...crafting their story as they go. (Oh, people have a low opinion of George..GREAT! Let's blame George!)

I used to read on a travel information website that suddenly chose a special group of posters who had a special title they put in their signatures and some odd status. Every few months, some others would seemingly be chosen at random to have this status. One day, someone posted an article about a talk a Marketing guru had given at a conference. She was applauding the idea....and explained that the purpose of creating this entitled group that got free travel perks...was to have strong posters influencing opinions on that Board in favor of one company.

Busted!

There was considerable outrage and soon the signatures were required to be removed and that special "program" was disbanded.

I think as many people as possible need to know what things this Defense team was doing..to "influence" and "choose" their villains.

It was not about the truth...it was about crafting whatever it takes.
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Old 07-13-2011, 04:13 PM
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I think any good attorney adjusts his or her case as a trial proceeds, and not necessarily just because of clues they're getting to how their case is being received by outsiders. As evidence comes in and witnesses testify, things come up that give them an opportunity to focus on or even capitalize on certain elements of the case.

If anything, I wouldn't have a very high opinion of any attorney, especially in a complicated case, who has a specific outline and plan before the trial starts and never changes it.
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I think any good attorney adjusts his or her case as a trial proceeds, and not necessarily just because of clues they're getting to how their case is being received by outsiders. As evidence comes in and witnesses testify, things come up that give them an opportunity to focus on or even capitalize on certain elements of the case.

If anything, I wouldn't have a very high opinion of any attorney, especially in a complicated case, who has a specific outline and plan before the trial starts and never changes it.
For instance, when the blogs started attacking George Anthony, Singer and her team took notice and encouraged the defense to beef up their attacks on the defendant's father.

"We had to know how much to blame George," she said.


This sounds like they used this research to decide who to vilify. If they were telling the truth...or even Casey's version of the truth...there would be no difference in "how much to blame George."

The truth is the truth. This was a sham defense. They perpetrated a fraud IMO.
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Blaming George for a role in Caylee's death does not have to be a fraud by the defense, not if they believe it is possible. I'm still not sure he didn't have some role in her death, cover-up, etc...and if they were seeing feedback that the public had doubts about him too, well, it would be foolish to abandon their theories that involved him.
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But believe it based on WHAT? If Casey told them a story..and they were sticking to that...why did attacks "beef up" when people appeared vulnerable to that idea?

I thought the drowning story was Casey's "truth" not a theory. Did they tell the jury these were only their "theories?" When was that said?
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This makes me sick. And this should NOT be allowed - he should not have used this method.

When I heard him describe in closing how Casey came to make the chloroform searches regarding Ricardo's post on facebook - I knew it was WORD FOR WORD suggestions we made HERE on the very topic!

I also was CONVINCED Timer55 fromthe prosecution and the idea that Caylee was startign to talk came from us to. It was word for word.
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This makes me sick. And this should NOT be allowed - he should not have used this method.

When I heard him describe in closing how Casey came to make the chloroform searches regarding Ricardo's post on facebook - I knew it was WORD FOR WORD suggestions we made HERE on the very topic!

I also was CONVINCED Timer55 fromthe prosecution and the idea that Caylee was startign to talk came from us to. It was word for word.
I have never read timer55 on here. Can you tell me where I could read it? Just a general area, year, etc. tia
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I'm not surprised by this and MarthaM stated attorney have done this in the past in different ways.

There was another forum I used to post on about this case and on that forum people did have drowning theories because Cindy's statement about the ladder being up. I post on that forum two years ago and there were drowning theories.
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This makes me sick. And this should NOT be allowed - he should not have used this method.

When I heard him describe in closing how Casey came to make the chloroform searches regarding Ricardo's post on facebook - I knew it was WORD FOR WORD suggestions we made HERE on the very topic!

I also was CONVINCED Timer55 fromthe prosecution and the idea that Caylee was startign to talk came from us to. It was word for word.
Wow. Do you have the link to the post(s) here about the chloroform searches that are like what Baez said? I'd love to review that.
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For instance, when the blogs started attacking George Anthony, Singer and her team took notice and encouraged the defense to beef up their attacks on the defendant's father.

"We had to know how much to blame George," she said.


This sounds like they used this research to decide who to vilify. If they were telling the truth...or even Casey's version of the truth...there would be no difference in "how much to blame George."

The truth is the truth. This was a sham defense. They perpetrated a fraud IMO.




ITA They did perpetrate a fraud and did so knowingly,this just proves it IMO.
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But believe it based on WHAT? If Casey told them a story..and they were sticking to that...why did attacks "beef up" when people appeared vulnerable to that idea?

I thought the drowning story was Casey's "truth" not a theory. Did they tell the jury these were only their "theories?" When was that said?
Cheney mason told the judge that the theory was JUST THAT A THEORY and they were not claiming it to be from Casey.

This was when the judge questioned the drowning and asked if casey was to testify - the prosecution stood up and said they had evidence to impeach Casey should she take the stand about her computer and phone activity on the morning of the 16th.

Cheney then says they didn't give the jury a specific time for the drowning THEORY and were not going to. That the prosecution had the burden of proving it false.

Basically while the jury was out of the room, the defense admitted their theory was made up to cast reasonable doubt and was not actual fact.

SAD FACT that the jury never heard and what eventually lead to travesty of the aquittal.

DISGUSTING. GROSS and UNREAL. MO
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Cheney mason told the judge that the theory was JUST THAT A THEORY and they were not claiming it to be from Casey.

This was when the judge questioned the drowning and asked if casey was tot estify - the prosecution stood up and said they had evidence to impeach Casey should she take the stand about her computer and phone activity on the morning of the 16th.

Cheney then says they didn't give the jury a specific time for the drowning THEORY and were not going to. That the prosecution had the burden of proving it false.

Basically while the jury was out of the room, the defense admitted their theory was made up to cast reasonable doubt and was not actual fact.

SAD FACT that the jury never heard and what eventually lead to travesty of the aquittal.

DISGUSTING. GROSS and UNREAL. MO
Which reminds me, does anyone know if the sidebar transcripts have been requested by the media yet? In particular, those that have to do with the defense theory and Casey's suspected incompetence?
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Every online group should bring a class action suit against ICA and the DT for taking others ideas and using them. I know this is ridiculous but so is the DT and this verdict!
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Did the jury consultants begin monitoring sites long before the trial and continue during the trial? If they started months before they didn't get much negativity about George here. I think myself and only a few others said critical things about George's behavior over the 3 years, and only a few of us defended Cindy. His behavior still bothers me, but it probably means nothing in this case, and it wasn't enough to find Casey innocent and blame him. Most people thought Casey a psychopath and the rest were thinking the drugging in the trunk to party scenario. Almost everyone believes he had an affair just because some woman said they did. How they figured out this jury is crazy. I think it must be the location they were picked from, and their economic status. How the majority of people in the U.S. didn't think anything bad about George and yet this small group went along with it is mind boggling to me.
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