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Old 07-29-2011, 07:00 PM
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If he has any insurance at all.
He may stop taking the meds if he can not afford to buy them.

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Do we know if he's employed?
Was he honorably discharged from USAF?
Was he in long enough to be considered a vet?
Was he medically discharded due to his mental illness?
The U.S Department of Veterans Affairs does NOT require the veteran to have any health insurance coverage whatsoever. "He may stop taking the meds if he can not afford to buy them" is not applicable to VA healthcare.

I personally don't know if he is employed, but his employment status does not figure into the equation where the VA is concered.

A veteran may qualify for benefits (to include healthcare) if he/she has an honorable discharge or a general discharge under honorable conditions.

To be considered eligible for VA benefits, the veteran must have served more than 180 days on active duty.

I personally have no idea if he was "medically discharged due to his mental illness," but that is the case, it has no bearing on his eligibility for veterans benefits.

I feel the need to address speculation that while CC's stepfather may turn out to be a person of interest, it appears to me he is a veteran. As such, he has served his country and barring a discharge other than honorable or general under honorable conditions, I would personally thank him for his service to our country--even if I were to meet him while he is under judicial restraint.

My personal thanks to all the veterans who read this post and to those who served in Vietnam, welcome home!
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:05 PM
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Unhappy She's been missing 84 hours (or even more) now. Not good.

I'd still like to know when the last time she was seen or talked to by someone outside the immediate family/household. Everybody is (at least publicly) going on the SF's Monday night "last seen" info, but exactly when was the last time someone other than Mom, SF, or even sister saw or heard from her prior to her disappearance? Like it or not, and apologies to them, but family members are still by far the most likely suspects if foul play is involved.

If she simply wandered off and got lost in the woods / mountains, then fixing the time of disappearance is critical as to the search radius and whether or not this is still a rescue or a recovery operation at this point. Same goes in different ways if it is an abduction - a verified time of disappearance by another party is pretty critical info for trying to figure out search parameters.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:07 PM
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I don't know about county/state codes in NH, but in many places, my understanding is that the law/fire code is you CAN'T have a 'bedroom' in a basement UNLESS there's at least two modes of egress. (Like 1 window leading outside and 1 door that leads outside.) I would think there must be specific rules for apartments and/or boarding houses, and they would be up for regular safety inspections if they're operating with a business license. My guess is that there has to be a door (leading outside) in that basement. My opinion only!
That may be the case in many places, but there is a papermill not far from there that doesn't even have a functional fire detection system. People need to understand it is a different world in this area. Many businesses could not survive with adherence usual regulations. I am however so thankful they requested assistance from outside agencies. That doesnt always happen in this area. FBI must be invited unless it involves multiple states or a Federal crime. I applaud NH today for all they are doing in this case.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:07 PM
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Even if someone gets treatment at a VA hospital, if they need a perscription, they will have to pay for it themselves.
"they will have to pay for it themselves" is not true when it comes to prescriptions issued by a properly licensed VA healthcare provider. More information on this subject may be found at: www.va.gov
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:13 PM
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If he is retired from the air force like he said he would get treatment from VA hospital. Is there any Va hospitals in that area?


The VA Medical Centers (VAMC's) in northern New England are located at Togus, Maine; Manchester, New Hampshire; and White River Junction, Vermont. None of these are "in the area" (50 miles or less). The VA also maintains a number of outpatient clinics (VAOPC's) for those veterans who are not in a reasonable proximity to a VAMC. I do not know off the top of my head what the closest VAOPC to Stewartstown is, but if you'd like me to check, just let me know.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:13 PM
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Anyone know if mom and SF took/passed polygraphs? I'm showing my ignorance here, but would paranoid schizophrenia preclude a test of that nature? Would the test even be valid? I ask this because the SF has been diagnosed with PS, and one of the components can be delusional thinking. IOW, if a person believes their delusions, then to them they are truth and may not register on the polygraph.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:14 PM
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That may be the case in many places, but there is a papermill not far from there that doesn't even have a functional fire detection system. People need to understand it is a different world in this area. Many businesses could not survive with adherence usual regulations. I am however so thankful they requested assistance from outside agencies. That doesnt always happen in this area. FBI must be invited unless it involves multiple states or a Federal crime. I applaud NH today for all they are doing in this case.
Agreed, I feel better knowing the FBI is here. Was it 2 weeks or something when they started to help with Maura?? NHLE doesn't have much experience with these cases, and there are only a handfull of LE in Stewartstown.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:17 PM
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If he indeed retired, he can go to a military base and get it for free. moo
The closest military bases to Stewartstown are Portsmouth Naval Shipyard at Kittery, Maine and Hanscom Air Force Base in the northwest suburbs of Boston. Both are over 150 miles from Stewartstown. There is also a US Air Force Base at Plattsburgh, New York, but I am not sure it is still open, and it also is quite a drive from Stewartstown.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:21 PM
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Has there been any indication from LE that the step-father is a person of interest in the disappearance of Celina?
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:23 PM
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I don't know about county/state codes in NH, but in many places, my understanding is that the law/fire code is you CAN'T have a 'bedroom' in a basement UNLESS there's at least two modes of egress. (Like 1 window leading outside and 1 door that leads outside.) I would think there must be specific rules for apartments and/or boarding houses, and they would be up for regular safety inspections if they're operating with a business license. My guess is that there has to be a door (leading outside) in that basement. My opinion only!
As Freja noted, this is a different world up here. We don't have building code inspections beyond the fire chief signing off on a boiler switch and ensuring there is a fire escape for apartments entirely on upper floors. And other than a septic permit (to "operate private sewer system"), there are no certificates of occupancy, no 15 different inspections with delays and fees to build anything like Mass or New Jersey. And before anyone says anything - we LIKE it that way!

Now, even here you couldn't legitimately ADVERTISE a basement room with no escape as a bedroom, but 1) the ad will likely noever be checked, and 2) what someone does with a room in a house after you rent it is another thing entirely (same as anywhere else - beyond control).
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:26 PM
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She has spent the week making ribbons for her missing friend, using Celina's favorite colors of green, purple and pink.

http://www.wmur.com/news/28702661/detail.html
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:26 PM
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Being "retired" from the military means leaving after putting in at least 20 years. He claims to be retired, so maybe he did put in 20 years. In that case, he would be eligible for Tricare for Life, and his prescriptions would be very low cost -- a few dollars, as would his medical care. (As long as the meds and care are within the guidelines.)

If he left with an honorable or medical discharge before putting in 20 years, his healthcare insurance could come under the Veterans' Administration. In that case, his medicines and care could be provided by the VA, with the amount of aid depending on a complicated variety of factors.

Since he graduated from high school in 1983 and was in jail, in the process of being declared incompetent mentally, in 2003 it is possible that he managed to get in his 20 years and then became disabled, but from the identity sites on line, it looks to me like he might have only been in about 9-12 years.
He would not have needed to spend at least 20 years on active duty to be "medically retired" and thus eligible for a full range of benefits from the VA.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:27 PM
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I am very sensitive when it comes to mental illness. It is a condition brought on not by anyone's choice. I do know however though that schizophrenia may involved some short term memory loss. Some times this is brought on by the medication they must take to manage their condition. Short term memory loss is not uncommon as well as substance abuse and a miriad of problems. I know that CARD is better trained than I in this but hope they keep in mind that this could be possible with the stepfather. One may take a polygraph and it comes out fine because they truly have no memory of an event. I am just putting this out there as a reminder. Some with schizophrenia have perfect recall though.

I do also want to bring up recent scientific studies by Hammersly and Read which suggest that of those suffering from schizophrenia, many were found to be victims of physical and/or sexual abuse, and the schizophreia is brought on by trauma. Knowing the SF's family backgound, we may theorize that this is a possibility.
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Has there been any indication from LE that the step-father is a person of interest in the disappearance of Celina?
No, not even that a crime has taken place as of right now.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:32 PM
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As Freja noted, this is a different world up here. We don't have building code inspections beyond the fire chief signing off on a boiler switch and ensuring there is a fire escape for apartments entirely on upper floors. And other than a septic permit (to "operate private sewer system"), there are no certificates of occupancy, no 15 different inspections with delays and fees to build anything like Mass or New Jersey. And before anyone says anything - we LIKE it that way!

Now, even here you couldn't legitimately ADVERTISE a basement room with no escape as a bedroom, but 1) the ad will likely noever be checked, and 2) what someone does with a room in a house after you rent it is another thing entirely (same as anywhere else - beyond control).

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Old 07-29-2011, 07:33 PM
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Getting tired of these cases.. sigh.
I'm listening to the press conference.
"Statement from the family" UGH!!! You couldn't keep me off the TV begging for help for my missing child!!! They send a friend? No, not cutting it.
Come home soon, Celina!!
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Has there been any indication from LE that the step-father is a person of interest in the disappearance of Celina?
AFAIK, they have not named any POI. Even with the SF's FB antics and his history LE has not named him a POI. If a person with paranoid schizophrenia is taking their meds, are they symptom - free ? MOO
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:39 PM
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The VA Medical Centers (VAMC's) in northern New England are located at Togus, Maine; Manchester, New Hampshire; and White River Junction, Vermont. None of these are "in the area" (50 miles or less). The VA also maintains a number of outpatient clinics (VAOPC's) for those veterans who are not in a reasonable proximity to a VAMC. I do not know off the top of my head what the closest VAOPC to Stewartstown is, but if you'd like me to check, just let me know.
Closest clinic to West Stewartstown is Newport, VT about 50 miles, maybe a little over an hour drive (in good weather). Others are Littleton and Gorham (both NH) about 60 miles and an hour and a half or so drive.
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AFAIK, they have not named any POI. Even with the SF's FB antics and his history LE has not named him a POI. If a person with paranoid schizophrenia is taking their meds, are they symptom - free ? MOO
Does anyone know exactly what the symptoms of schizophrenia are? tia
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Wow, sent a friend to make a statement?!!!! Amazing! I've been following this one since the get-go and surprised with all of the teams brought in that we know so little! Surely they've scoured the computer already!
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Agreed, I feel better knowing the FBI is here. Was it 2 weeks or something when they started to help with Maura?? NHLE doesn't have much experience with these cases, and there are only a handfull of LE in Stewartstown.
One WS individual has a word they use "Kerfuffle" Sorry, can't remember the owner of that, but I love that. Maura's case had/has kerfuffles. IMO, due to egos, but Maura was a legal adult and those cases are handled differently. Maura is a major reason I am here and do what I do. Her father still searches the woods for her bones and I wish I could help bring closure. A father whose life is about searching for his child's bones is no life. What a horrible torture every day. It is the first and last thing he thinks about every day. I do the best I can every day and that is all I can do.... and pray.
Offerring a prayer for dear Celina.
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Does anyone know exactly what the symptoms of schizophrenia are? tia
Schizophrenia is a brain disorder that affects the way a person acts, thinks, and sees the world. People with schizophrenia have an altered perception of reality, often a significant loss of contact with reality. They may see or hear things that don’t exist, speak in strange or confusing ways, believe that others are trying to harm them, or feel like they’re being constantly watched.
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Does anyone know exactly what the symptoms of schizophrenia are? tia
I thought that the article said Paranoid Schizophrenia. If so there is a difference:

Signs and symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia may include:

Auditory hallucinations, such as hearing voices
Delusions, such as believing a co-worker wants to poison you
Anxiety
Anger
Emotional distance
Violence
Argumentativeness
Self-important or condescending manner
Suicidal thoughts and behavior
With paranoid schizophrenia, you're less likely to be affected by mood problems or problems with thinking, concentration and attention.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/par...CTION=symptoms

ETA: http://www.schizophrenia.com/ami/
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Does anyone know exactly what the symptoms of schizophrenia are? tia
This site has good solid info, but each person is an individual and suffers from this disorder and responds to meds in different ways.
http://www.schizophrenia.com/szparanoid.htm
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:59 PM
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I honestly feel bad for the spepfather. Schizophrenia is definetly not an easy meantal illness to deal with...

I wonder why so many veterans develop mental disorders?? It's alarming.
With that said, I hope Celina is safe. I don't think we should condemn her stepfather as the bad guy yet, specially because he seems to have serious mental disorders.
I personally don't know "why so many veterans develop mental disorders," but I can share with you my husband's background that perhaps will give you additional insight.

My husband came from a background of abject poverty and extreme violence; he grew up in the largest city in New England. He quit school in the ninth grade to support his mother and four younger sisters; when he quit school, he was a straight A student. He enlisted in the U.S. Army at the age of 17 in 1965 on "the buddy system" with his best friend whom he never saw for four years after they signed up together. He enlisted to escape being killed by his stepfather--after repeated beatings by his stepfather landed him in the hospital.

Although he believed he was going to be trained as a truck mechanic, he wound up being trained as a medic; he graduated at the top of his class. His first assignment was in Germany, and because there was so much racial tension between American soldiers, he volunteered to go to Vietnam "so I could do some good instead of patching up soldiers who had been assaulted because of the color of their skin." He earned the combat medic's badge (CMB) in Vietnam. When he returned to the U.S. after a year in Vietnam, he was spat upon, kicked, heckled, and insulted in the airports in Seattle and Chicago enroute home.

Among what he experienced in Germany, Vietnam, and the United States, he developed a full blown case of post traumatic stress disorder, most of which was combat induced. I could make the case that when he entered the military, he certainly didn't have the best background to draw upon for inner strength and support.

I am pleased to be able to share that he receives THE BEST CARE imaginable from a VA Medical Center which is affiliated with an Ivy League medical school; I am also pleased to share that he is greeted by absolute strangers who address him as "Doc" and who tell him that he may have been the combat medic who saved their lives in Vietnam so many years ago.....

To all the veterans who read this post, I thank you for your service and
to those who served in Vietnam, "welcome home!"
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