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Old 07-30-2011, 02:02 PM
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What is troubling me the most is having the family leave the home for 3 (?) days. What if she called the home phone? Prior to the installation of the new cell phone tower yesterday or the day before, cell phone service was pretty much spotty to non existent from what I understand. And on that note, if someone was luring her out of the home, what would he do? Call from a pay phone to the family's home phone? Tell her to meet him outside at "x" time...but wouldn't that be risky? He might be waiting outside and she might never come out.

I personally think this is related in some way to the family, but there is not enough evidence and/or eye witnesses - hence the reason for the large reward. I think it took forever and a day to get Hailey Dunn's reward to 20,000.00, much less 25,000.00 - or heck is it even that? I forget.
Sometimes I think when the rewards are suddenly posted, that means LE is stuck...JMO
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Another thing...I'm not sure about NH school rules, but my daughter is 11, about to be 12 in a month, and she is entering the 7th grade this year.
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8. The non-compliant RSO step-fathers brother abducted her.
I edited my post to add that one.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:10 PM
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hmm I was just wondering if there seemed to be a lot of specifically young missing girls in the general area....like if LE has some kind of signature thing they have been keeping under wraps...and clued in on something with this situation that others may be oblivious to
(sorry too much tv & reading)
Well, in one of my first posts here, I went way out there and sort of springboarded from her use of the internet, to someone from some prostitution/pedo ring located possibly in Canada abducting her. That seems pretty farfetched to some people, but, who knows? Maybe LE has more info. on this being a likely consideration.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:12 PM
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I guess #1 could include suicide...has to be considered these days, even though she seems too young...seems she should have been found, but there are many bodies of water, from what a local said.
Good call. I added it to the list.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:13 PM
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So are the reports by family and friends accurate that she didn't go anywhere without her mom and sister? Does that include going out to play or hang with friends?

If so, then why are we thinking that someone lured her out of the house or that she left on her own?

And is there a door she can easily get in and out of without it making a sound?

They have a cat, any other pets?

Have any friends stepped forward to say who she talked to - if anyone - online? Did anyone see her Sunday or Monday day?

Without answers to all these questions, to me this still points to someone Celina knew, and not an online predator.
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Possible Scenarios:UPDATED LIST

1. She ran way that night.
2. She snuck out to meet someone.
3. A stalker snuck in and abducted her.
4. A burglar or intruder abducted her.
5. Her Stepfather [or stepbrother] harmed her then covered it up.
6. Accidental death covered up by family.
7. She went outside for fresh air, or to look for her cat, and was in wrong place, wrong time.
8. The non-compliant RSO step-fathers brother abducted her.
9. Suicide
10. She reached out to her father's side of the family, and secretly been communicating w/someone dangerous

Anything else?

I am still all over the place with my various suspicions. I used to be focussed on the SF, but now I am more leery of her computer interactions.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:19 PM
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I find the comment about her not even responding to a question from a stranger without checking with her sister odd (however it was phrased.) I mean, how often could this situation have really come up, in this small town? Did it happen just once, and now that is being used to define her? I did read where another neighbor said she was "timid". And of course mother's husband saying she never goes out. But I wonder about the first comment, does not seem they would be out encountering strangers on a regular basis.
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[quote=PrayersForMaura;6969420]So are the reports by family and friends accurate that she didn't go anywhere without her mom and sister? Does that include going out to play or hang with friends?

No, those reports are not accurate from what I have seen. The Stepfather was the one who said " She never leaves the house." But we have heard she went to a recent sleep over at a friends home and her school spokesperson said she was very popular with friends at school and we know she played sports.

If so, then why are we thinking that someone lured her out of the house or that she left on her own?

She made a comment on her FB one late afternoon that she was bored and thinking of 'going on a walk'. It seemed odd to announce that and made us wonder if she was talking to anyone in particular. Also made us wonder if she took long walks often.

And is there a door she can easily get in and out of without it making a sound?

I would really like to know that also. But supposedly the family was upstairs and she was downstairs.

They have a cat, any other pets?

Have any friends stepped forward to say who she talked to - if anyone - online? Did anyone see her Sunday or Monday day?

There is evidence apparently that she talked on live chatlines, or in chat rooms, where she lied and said she was 18 to 20 yrs old.


Without answers to all these questions, to me this still points to someone Celina knew, and not an online predator.

I think she may have been chatting to someone local, someone she knew. Maybe an older student, or an older brother of a friend.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:30 PM
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I find the comment about her not even responding to a question from a stranger without checking with her sister odd (however it was phrased.) I mean, how often could this situation have really come up, in this small town? Did it happen just once, and now that is being used to define her? I did read where another neighbor said she was "timid". And of course mother's husband saying she never goes out. But I wonder about the first comment, does not seem they would be out encountering strangers on a regular basis.
Being timid does seem to be an antithesis to some other descriptions of her personality, such as: she loved having friends over frequently.

Was she timid when messaging online?

What do you think?
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:30 PM
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Liz- the shoe thing keeps sticking out to me also. IF she did go to, or was asleep, why have shoes on?? And the discrepancy between her being in her bedroom versus the aunt saying she would have slept in the living room with her sister away for the night.
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You posted a while back about Celina making an online comment : " Think I'll take a walk " Do you happen to know what time of day she posted that comment ? TIA ....

ETA I see that a previous poster had her posting that comment in the late afternoon.... Seems like it would be possible for LE to find out who she was online with ? MOO Also I would have thought that LE would have indicated if Celina had left with someone she met online ?? MOO Also, if she was online with someone local, was she possibly pranking them ? Could they have found out that she was actually only 11 ? Just some thoughts...

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[quote=katydid23;6969427]Possible Scenarios:UPDATED LIST

1. She ran way that night.
2. She snuck out to meet someone.
3. A stalker snuck in and abducted her.
4. A burglar or intruder abducted her.
5. Her Stepfather [or stepbrother] harmed her then covered it up.
6. Accidental death covered up by family.
7. She went outside for fresh air, or to look for her cat, and was in wrong place, wrong time.
8. The non-compliant RSO step-fathers brother abducted her.
9. Suicide

Anything else?

I am still all over the place with my various suspicions. I used to be focussed on the SF, but now I am more leery of her computer interactions.[/quote]

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I'm in the same place you are. SF was my main guess at first.
Now the computer with her stating her age as 16 & 20.

But #7 is stong in my mind, also.

I keep picturing some truck driver in the parking lot next door.
It's around 10 PM & he's resting before going North on into Canada....
or possibly Southward.

He watches CC in the area right by the side/basement door, possibly playing with her cat.
He gets out to talk to her, says he has something to show her in his cab, and .....

But I hope so badly that she'd never fall for anything like that.

I've also watched too many episodes of "To Catch A Predator" with Chris Hanson on NBC.
Based on what's been on the shows, there are so many weirdos out there, from all walks
of life, willing to drive for hours, just to be with a young girl CC's age. And the creeps are
all liars about their age, what they look like, etc. GRRRRRR
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:38 PM
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I've also watched too many episodes of "To Catch A Predator" with Chris Hanson on NBC.
Based on what's been on the shows, there are so many weirdos out there, from all walks
of life, willing to drive for hours, just to be with a young girl CC's age. And the creeps are
all liars about their age, what they look like, etc. GRRRRRR
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I don't think you've watched too many episodes, I think there are too many predators. Pat Brown said basically the same thing the other night on NG.
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Liz, this is what the post states- FWIW
IF that time is correct, I have been told that sometimes the times on FB are not exact

chillin talking to one of my friends listening to "getting hot in here" thinking if i wanna take a walk or not
July 20 at 5:50pm



It sounds like to me, that she has taken walks before...but that has not been stated else where.
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Here's what I want to know:

When did she decide to take that photo of herself with the makeup and hat and post it? Seems so different from the other photos in her collection.

Was this at the suggestion or urging of the online friend who said she looked hot?
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Here's what I want to know:

When did she decide to take that photo of herself with the makeup and hat and post it? Seems so different from the other photos in her collection.

Was this at the suggestion or urging of the online friend who said she looked hot?
And why & when did she lie about her age & to whom on FB?
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Here's what I want to know:

When did she decide to take that photo of herself with the makeup and hat and post it? Seems so different from the other photos in her collection.

Was this at the suggestion or urging of the online friend who said she looked hot?
I don't think she is wearing makeup in that picture.

Being 11 girls are naturally fresh faces and bright, that's why it bothers me so much to see young girls wearing make up, they don't need it.

Even after taking a second look, she is natural, just my opinion of course.
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Okay peeps, the shoe thing bothers me, the possibility of taking a walk bothers me, her sister not being home that particular night bothers me.
And in some MSM article, someone mentioned young people and parties in the woods...when it was being talked about where searches were being done. So am wondering if local gossip has uncovered any kind of party taking place in 'the woods'. Just WHO might have been out and about that night. And if folks know about these parties and sort of turn their back to them. You and I both know there are always parents, that while they don't necessarily encourage this type of activity, certainly don't stop it either.

Hmm, I can tell you from first hand experience, the quiet, timid ones, the more homely ones can often be the ones that could shock you with what they are really up to. Thank God my dear parents passed without ever knowing a lot of truth about the 70's.....

just brainstorming
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In addition, I'd like to know if she told her girlfriends about any new friends online who were telling her she was beautiful, hot and made her feel secure, not creeped out.
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Possible Scenarios:UPDATED LIST

1. She ran way that night.
2. She snuck out to meet someone.
3. A stalker snuck in and abducted her.
4. A burglar or intruder abducted her.
5. Her Stepfather [or stepbrother] harmed her then covered it up.
6. Accidental death covered up by family.
7. She went outside for fresh air, or to look for her cat, and was in wrong place, wrong time.
8. The non-compliant RSO step-fathers brother abducted her.
9. Suicide

Anything else?

I am still all over the place with my various suspicions. I used to be focussed on the SF, but now I am more leery of her computer interactions.
Just that a previous poster mentioned that there were a whole lot of people named Cass up in Quebec... Could she have been in touch with someone up there on her dad's side, and they came to see her ? Not high on my list,but I suppose it is possible.LE would have found an etrail though,if she was talking to them online...MOO
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Just that a previous poster mentioned that there were a whole lot of people named Cass up in Quebec... Could she have been in touch with someone up there on her dad's side, and they came to see her ? Not high on my list,but I suppose it is possible.
LE would have found an etrail though,if she was talking to them online...MOO
One thing we know for sure:
Whatever LE has found... they sure ain't telling!!!
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One thing we know for sure:
Whatever LE has found... they sure ain't telling!!!
And we won't likely hear anything, until/unless an arrest is made, or Celina is found...one way or another.
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Being timid does seem to be an antithesis to some other descriptions of her personality, such as: she loved having friends over frequently.

Was she timid when messaging online?

What do you think?
What kind of chat rooms ?

Either the people in the chat room were very easily misled ; they were talking to an 11 year old who was supposedly 18 or 20 ?

Or Celina was way, way, less naive than we have been hearing about.... MOO

Or a combo of both things...MOO
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One thing we know for sure:
Whatever LE has found... they sure ain't telling!!!
ITA...but doesn't LE usually indicate that a missing minor left with someone they met online ? If that is the case ? For this reason I do not think an online stranger lured her. The theory of her talking to someone locally is interesting ; I could see a lot of problems there.Especially if the other person did not know he/she was actually talking to 11 year old Celina......MOO
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