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Old 03-23-2012, 02:52 PM
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Aaaaaaaaaargh! Would somebody kindly open the bar? I'm gonna need it soon. Greene says they need facts from fca, but they are the ones that keep her from providing facts.
I keep hearing that Charlie Brown waaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa! Good Lord this is maddening.
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Makes you wonder how much time/money Greene is spending on this defense and to what end? The money sought is trivial compared to the costs/time and other lawsuits and penalties, like TES, OCSO, IRS, etc.

Why doesn't Greene concede and move on given KC was found NG of murder or does this open the flood gates?
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So far, we've had Mr. Green introduce Cinderella and Humpty Dumpty into the hearing.

What's next?
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Makes you wonder how much time/money Greene is spending on this defense and to what end? The money sought is trivial compared to the costs/time and other lawsuits and penalties, like TES, OCSO, IRS, etc.

Why doesn't Greene concede and move on given KC was found NG of murder or does this open the flood gates?

As for Greene, I agree it must be costing a considerable amount for him to do this pro bono. I continue to shrug and shake my head at the number of people willing to put themselves out there for a child killer who was wrongly acquitted.

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In session ended and local tv is not broadcasting it. I can't watch livestream. Is it still going on?
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So far, we've had Mr. Green introduce Cinderella and Humpty Dumpty into the hearing.

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Wow!!!...I am logged in...

CFNEWS 13 is still Tweeting from the courtroom
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Greene: Stop this farce, stop the charaid, stop the lies....um go talk to the defendant about that one
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Wow, the DT is as long winded as ever! I can't believe he argued for an hour!!!! This hearing may take awhile...
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As for Greene, I agree it must be costing a considerable amount for him to do this pro bono. I continue to shrug and shake my head at the number of people willing to put themselves out there for a child killer who was wrongly acquitted.
Agreed -- I just cannot see him recouping his costs/time via extra business from promoting himself so ... he is gaining international infamy and notoriety ... is he going to cash in and write a book?

It seems these 'frivolous' lawsuits are going to be a part of CA's fictional novel on mustruth and half truths but where does Greene fit in ... in terms of payoff?
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Greatttt. Greene gets to rebut. This is going to take FOREVER! CFnews13 said it could be forty five more minutes!!!! Sonofagun!
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ZTN never existed . . . no way to show actual malice to some real person -that alone would prove summary judgement . . . now is the time to put up or shut up. bring on the proof

conversation between kc and ca - you can read or listen to it yourself . . . consider statement in its context words kc uttered during that 40 min convo that kc accused plaintiff of kidnap of Caylee. . . . .

2 min excerpt of the tape . . . contains statement kc made that is partially quoted by defense in motion. . . .

ZTN has curly hair but wears straight - 5'6" or 5'7" - brown eyes, no tattoos, anyone heard of her would have come forward by now. when they interviewd that girl in kissimmee they never showed me a picture of her . . . they are full of *****. . . . pull in a sketch artist . . . .same info i am giving you . . . .searched never by her full name. dont think she has a middle name . . . . fernandez-gonzales . . .

they are looking for her by wrong name . . . .always goes by both names. . . . didnt accuse plaintiff of kidnap her daughter - said it wasnt her . . . not a fairy tale - cant make things up . . .lewis carrol - humpty dumpty standard - court words mean what they said . . . .what actually say in context . . . not ZG. audience to who words were published . . . reasonable understood to mean . . . only words were to CA. Cindy said never understood kc words to describe the plaintiff . . . ca called the media and asked why are you putting up this picture - it is not her. kc didnt accuse ZG of anything . . . .reasonable inference to mean this person.

claims lost job, couldnt find job, when did people start identify you being ZTN? only after false name pleading after 5 months - allegedly suffer damage to reputation. backlash was result of what she did - she got what she asked for. went on tv and show world what she looked like . . . all in proof , filed false complaint went on tv show after tv show. not asking court to make a judgement on credibility on summary judgement . . . compare plaintiffs lies to proof and summary judgement - granted to defense.

plaintiff read complaint and signed off on it . . . leave it outstanding for 5 months while go on tv shows the lie . . . .kc used words ZG instead of ZFG . . . now she cant prove . .. put up or shut up . . . why make false allegations? is plaintiff ZTN? if not - throw out on summary judgement. people can read and make own judgement whether she lied. . . . today case about whether she can prove . . . . based on lies . . . even in its own name . . .judgement cannot condone case built on lies . . . weed out frivilious claims . . . stop the lies . . . kc did not do anything to this plaintiff significant harm this specific person.

not sufficient proof to attempt to support what I heard . . . not authenticated at all . . . civil case . . no evidence of republication by CA, nothing construed to indicate kc wanted to cause harm to the plaintiff

adverse inferences can be drawn from research 5th amendment . . .kc wont answer questions. . . . ZTN doesnt matter and characteristics dont matter - cannot use 5th for auto inclusion of judgement. invoke 5th must produce evidence to support allegations - a matter of law . . . .not allowed to remain silent.

cant use a motion to defeat summary judgement . . . . plaintiff cannot rely solely . . . . must be evidence on which to base evidence . . . gotta be something else. adverse findings only for summary judgement

competent proof supports . . . plaintiff cannot prove genuine issue that kc accused this particular plaintiff of kidnapping Caylee . . . .motion should be denied. TY

Mr Mitnick . . . kc continues to play the victim . . . never said she was sorry . . . lawyers grandstanding for her . . . she doesnt even show up when whole world is watching . . . .

if you can twist your stuff enough another human being has to deal with the storm and you walk away . . . let me get past my rhetoric and get down to the law . . .kcs of the world could do this to anyone and get off scot free..

1) all the people who asked ZG "are you the kidnapper/are you the one"? one of the things you could do is look at the person and see if others thought that they were the one. riley case . . . we did cite out state cases . . . when there is not alot of law . . . you can prove the plaintiff reasonably could be inferred . . . reasonable inferrence if you were negligent in saying this . . . a person can whether mistakenly or not . . . reasonably infer it is to be intended to be that person. need not prove the defendant aimed at them . . . dont have to point it at them . . . reasonable infer. i am going to say this horrendous thing . . . scatter fire and hit that specific person . .. scream horrible things. . . i know are terrible lies . . . . other people face consequences for lying but not me . . not kc . . . .

that law . . doesnt matter who you hit . . . only one ZG, only 1 ZG w/sawgrass, only 1 in kissimmee . . . all big hits! thank god kc dont write the law!

highlite couple points . . . first last name but a middle name was given . . . .another case dealt with a misidentification of someone . . . another case dealt with question was person name even mentioned . . . ordinary reader could understand it to refer to someone even though they had a different middle initial . . . not saying these are all exactly like this one . . . i hear the scribbling of the pen *to the judge . . . there are a number of them . . . all of which are factually distinguishable . . . it is not perfect . . . whether you reasonably going to hit a person with your wild shots. open to 2 inteepretations. . . .defamation goes to jury . . . restatement . . . defamatory communication is not to the person specifically but reasonably . . . evidence in record plaintiff called by media . . . she stepped forward . . . she went on with face block . . . people think it was her . . . it could be her . . . why cover herself? media was looking for her. we now know today that nobody kidnapped her . . .

that police report has ZG all over it . . . switching back and forth . . . no one would believe it . . . kidnapper was going to hurt if told anyone . . . right out of movies . . . .physical description is not all . . . sawgrass . . .

if i fire a gun indescriminately and i hit someone am i not liable? focus of the lie she told
. . . . . within the sphere our client got hooked . . . sawgrass was place kc picked for the lie . . . circle closed down . . . kc decided to keep ZG @ sawgrass lie going . . .why didnt she say yes mom they showed me picture but it is not her . . . . kc said that is a lie - they never showed a picture . . . . only 1 person in the world - i never cleared her . . . we went from big circle to small one . . . that targeted her in . . . . her Mom went out in pubic and told everyone . . . court of public opinion . . . . CA told everyone they never showed kc a picture of that person in kissimmee . . . . the day after caylee went missing . .kc at sawgrass . . . one day later . .our client is at sawgrass . . . reasonable inference . . . you had contact with that place . . . you went missing on that date . . only person had contact with sawgrass . . . .not because i knew her . . . it came off our clients information . . . .add into it the culmination behind closed doors she is telling LE no - but she is telling mom something else couple of days later . . . . we know it is a lie . . .why would she lie . . . .give kc one more gold star for her behavior . . . she was trying to exonerate our client . . . how come in that very same conversation why didnt she say mom they did show me a picture and that wasn
t her . . . she got it off that card . . . . my mom keeps to yappin to the media everytime i turn around. . . . . they say throw it out . . . horrible travesty that cindy told . . . .that lady says she is hurt . . .whole world studies height and tattoos ..


qualified priviledge part of their defense . . . i had someone do the research . . . i am going to call the LE to come out and investigate that he beats his wife every night . . . it isnt true . . . i can say anything i want i am home free . . . privilidge good faith way . . . i dont know but i am worried i heard crying and i think someone is hurt . . .

tab 25 must be made in good faith . . . . essential elements of qualified priviledge . . good faith . . . all a pack of lies . . . how could an intentional lie to throw off police from her be considered all in good faith . . . second interview they tell her you are not helping with telling all these lies . . .kc says i know . . . . you are interfering with our investigation . . now she has the gall to say . . . . that privilidge should be for me. . . good faith . . . . question about intent . . . we know she intended to lie . . . no question. at worst for us and best for them it is a jury question.

a couple other cases. . . Magre case . .. improper purpose . . . we got that if they abused the priviledge to take the jury out of the mix . . . must be made in good faith . . . sent it back to jury . . .

if not in good faith essential element if you misuse it - doesnt fly . . . unreasonable in belief it was true . . . that is evidence of express malice . . . reasonable basis to believe it . . . switching zirconias for real diamonds. . . . infer express malice from that . . . dont have someone half cocked . . . .

another one to lose priv. or goes to jury . . . conduct involved bad motive . . . express malice question. . . .we know bad motive to make up ZG story . . . targeted by name and sawgrass and comments made about lady in kissimee . . .you dont have ot say i am going to ruin your character or i am going to hurt you . . . reduce it to a mockery or farce . . . i would argue they have no priv. . . at least it is not situation for summary judgement . . . cant do runaround of express malice . . . you cant they are right . . . you can have both of them if you can overcome . . . more global inclusive facts . . . aggregious conduct . . . relevant . . . to different type of damages. . . .

whispering motion 90.5.10 should be . . . cant see what is in my eye and i wont tell you what was in my eye.

prob with analogy . . . . weird name . . . sawgrass. . . why did they do it . . . kc started firing shots . . . plaintiff name on the card . . . she gave details about her . . . not our client . . . she was making that stuff up - we know that . . . .look at the differences in height, tattoos, threw in fernandez name . . . all this play out in media . . . they just hear dwight took my ball . . .you said it wasnt him . . . announce to world they never showed me a pic of him . . . not fair analogy leaves out when circle closed on that . . . . different time and place when everything went down . . . those kinda details about ZG she made up . . . LE went to sawgrass where this person sent them.

they did some please pleas for this poor innocent kc . . . i am going to make a plea to you this law embraces everyone including her . . . i know she has 5th amend rights. . . . apply this law to her like anyone else. . . . someone else in these crazy circumstances . . . no basis whatsoever . . . . media calling her . . . mask her face. . . got the early it wasnt her then the smack of i never said it wasnt her . . . such an outrageous way she gets another free pass. . . technical arguements are not here . . . . i got a client who just needs a day in court
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. . mr greene . . there is no ill will toward this plaintiff . . . .she told LE it is not her when shown the picture . . . she specifically said they were not looking for her full name . .. all the courts modified with the word reasonably understood . . . . speculation and giant leaps . . . where is evidence kc went to sawgrass and saw this card . . . . why did ZG file complaint under false name . . . inject herself into media and call herself ZTN? whispers into mike she never called self Zanny! they dont have enough for jury trial . . . kc statements not all over themselves . .cant just find kc said something that somehow led this plaintiff suffer some sort of harm . . . what must find is does evidence support claim . . . did kc say plaintiff ever kidnap Caylee. . . . reiterated to LE when she said not ZG not someone with thin skin with some superficial similarity . . . . if ZG had thin skin is not enough . . . must show evidence to show harm . . . i agree draw inferences . . . but it is reasonable inferences.

Mr. Midnick and i can go turkey hunting together and not go grandstanding . . . he is a fine lawyer . . . public wants a payback . . . people out there feel something wrong in the criminal case . . . get back at her for that with this civil case. judge has made right decision all along . . . not from misinformed or misguided or commentator who has an opinion . . . . decisions are made in right decisions not popular ones . . . equally applied law i know you will do it here . . . goddess of justice is blindfolded . . . for a reason . . .justice should have ear plugs too . . . we dont want any special treatment . . .equal standing access under the law . .. doesnt matter what kc did or didnt do it is this case only . . kc accuse ZG of kidnapping her child . . . never any doubt kc made those accusations . . . .illogical if shown photo and said did not do it. easy thing would be deny summary judgement and allow this go on an d on to a jury . . . kc gets equal justice . . . not continue this case on accusation or inuendo . . . time to put up or shut up . . .they didnt do it . . .close the gate on this case should have been closed long ago.

mr mitnick . . . arrest affidavidt has been filed by both . . . we did present the evidence. . . argue about ill will in those cases . . . each one of those cases was a policeman . . . alternative ways to prove bad faith, bad motive, those cases are there . . . comment we dont have affidavits saying she did it . . . dont have to say . . . dont have to prove . . beyond what the plaintiff has presented to the court. . . no evidence of kc going to sawgrass and looking at guest card . . . no evidence . . . one of the things we wanted to ask her real bad . . . the only person we can ask about it and they say we dont have a right to ask . . . not for payback . . .just simply civil justice . . . i can spin a yarn . . . i hope not . . .i hope i can speak the truth . . . s

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Green says that all of you are "misguided" street figures. It saddens me to learn through Green that not a one of you read 25,000 documents.
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Excuse me, excuse me, could you point me to the bar please. I have bad news to tell my friends at WS and need to get plastered first.
Green says that all of you are "misguided" street figures. It saddens me to learn through Green that not a one of you read 25,000 documents.
Now excuse me again as I have to throw up. I hope this door leads to the bathroom and not a parking lot.
Awwww Pshawwwww. Consider the source, consider the source as my dearly departed mom used to say.

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Excuse me, excuse me, could you point me to the bar please. I have bad news to tell my friends at WS and need to get plastered first.
Green says that all of you are "misguided" street figures. It saddens me to learn through Green that not a one of you read 25,000 documents.
Now excuse me again as I have to throw up. I hope this door leads to the bathroom and not a parking lot.
Pfft to Mr Greene Pfft

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So what happened? Is the judge taking a few days to rule?
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Sheeesh. You would think that Mr Greene was arguing for KC's life after all, she is already a self professed liar. "I am such a good liar", per her friends.

Just like CA I think KC (mini-CA) just wants her boys to 'win' at any price and that she/they seek special treatment in the justice system. They want both. Both fair play as well as special treatment for alleged threats against her.

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So what happened? Is the judge taking a few days to rule?
Judge is taking up to 60 days to rule. (see last line of my last transcription above)


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I logged in specifically to say thank you to Wenwe for all of that wonderful transcribing of the hearing. Dummy me set my recorder at home for this morning when In Session tweeted yesterday they would be covering beginning at 9:00 ET. I had forgotten about the new hearing time for this afternoon.

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You are so welcome. . . I missed quite a bit as the board was so choppy . . . but IIRC there was a lot of repetition. Please pardon the typos . . . working on an iPad and a little attached keyboard . . . while streaming the court hearing on the laptop . . . (oh I feel so techy today).


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Excuse me, excuse me, could you point me to the bar please. I have bad news to tell my friends at WS and need to get plastered first.
Green says that all of you are "misguided" street figures. It saddens me to learn through Green that not a one of you read 25,000 documents.
Now excuse me again as I have to throw up. I hope this door leads to the bathroom and not a parking lot.
Here is a portal to the basement party . . .although it does reside inthe parking lot . . . there were some fresh martinis and steak and lobster offered to the mods last night . . . i am sure we could get someone to refill the tiki bar and buffet for all of us to ease our pains! Quick . . . jump on the slide pole to the lower floor . . . you can relax a little down there.

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60 days!!!!!! I knew something like this would happen. I don't think this judge EVER rules on the same day. 60 freaking days. And I bet we won't get a decision until the 60th day either!!!! GAH!
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