General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[Whisperer]

.....hmmm. The 8:30pm phone call. Shoemaker spoke of it in Aug 09. He said RC spoke to misty at that time and they were arguing because Misty wanted to babysit some other place.

.....If they argued about her babysitting, it was a fight about her NOT wanting to babysit. She most likely wanted to party (WBG?). I think those kids were left alone by rc when he went to work and that is why AS was sent over to Green Lane. TN wasn't anywhere in the area. Ron had called his mother to complain and Momma stepped in and told AS to get over to the trailer.

RC and his family have showed their colors. They will do whatever it takes to protect rc. If he left the kids alone and locked up the house, they would lie to protect him so nobody would know the kids were alone. He sure was adamant about knowing the house was locked tight before he left for work....forgoing all common sense that misty or anyone could have unlocked a door at anytime during the crucial hours.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by Whisperer

.....hmmm. The 8:30pm phone call. Shoemaker spoke of it in Aug 09. He said RC spoke to misty at that time and they were arguing because Misty wanted to babysit some other place.

.....If they argued about her babysitting, it was a fight about her NOT wanting to babysit. She most likely wanted to party (WBG?). I think those kids were left alone by rc when he went to work and that is why AS was sent over to Green Lane. TN wasn't anywhere in the area. Ron had called his mother to complain and Momma stepped in and told AS to get over to the trailer.

RC and his family have showed their colors. They will do whatever it takes to protect rc. If he left the kids alone and locked up the house, they would lie to protect him so nobody would know the kids were alone. He sure was adamant about knowing the house was locked tight before he left for work....forgoing all common sense that misty or anyone could have unlocked a door at anytime during the crucial hours.

Not that I believe too much of what Chelsy Croslin has ever said mainly due to the fact she has done everything within her power to convince LE and the public she first learned about Haleigh when she received a phone call from Misty at 4:00 am on the morning of February 10th.. She has done and said just about anything and everything to keep everyone from suspecting she and her husband, Timmy C were involved in anyway...
But IIRC Chelsy claimed on national tv, on NG's show the "BIG FIGHT" at 8:30 pm over the telephone between Ron and Misty was over what to do concerning Haleigh's deceased body..
Personally, I believe Chelsy just may have told the truth this one time concerning what that convestation was really all about. IIRC Misty supposedly hung up on Ron C too and refused to answer anymore of his calls... And IIRC not too long after that we have Ron C calling Tommy.. ..It was revealed at one point that phone call was made to Tommy at Tommy's parent's residence on Magnolia...JMHO..

[dodie20]

Why hasn't Misty ever said she was gone? If she would lie about her cousin being a child murderer, then surely a little lie saying she left to go buy cigarettes and then saw a friend and lost track of time, wouldn't have bothered her. That lie would make a lot more sense, than the lie of her sleeping through Haleigh being snatched, from literally under her nose. Lying about yourself, is nothing compared to calling somebody a cold blooded murderer. I think she never said she was gone, because it's the truth, and she wants to stay as far away from the truth, as she can. And I wonder why...was she gone disposing of Haleigh's body? MOO.

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by dodie20

I still think Misty was gone, at least part of the night. We didn't hear a peep about AS's visit, until LE said they had reason to think, Misty wasn't there. THEN we hear about AS seeing her, and how she fixed dinner, and how Ron was at work, ... Well, wherever she was, and whatever she was doing, must be Bad!!! or else she would have owned up to it by now. As many stories as Misty has told, she has never, (not 1 time), said she was gone! And that would be a lie, worth taking a chance on. MOO.

AS has never acknowledged the Monday morning trip to her house "to get Haleigh's favorite outfit" either. Most likely because that trip didn't happen.

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

AS has never acknowledged the Monday morning trip to her house "to get Haleigh's favorite outfit" either. Most likely because that trip didn't happen.

I don't know what I think anymore. I'm just throwing some theories around, trying to make sense of all the bus stop stories. Because really, it's one of the few things that points to Misty as guilty of something. Even her lies and failed tests, can kind of be explained away, because as far as what has been released to the public, the questions didn't pin her down. She was never asked, 'Did you kill Haleigh'? Awhile back, I had just about decided that whatever was going on with all these people, and their running around and fighting, etc...was a red herring to Haleigh's abduction. I thought they were using the bus stop, for example, to detour LE, and keep them from focusing in on something much simpler. But, now, I don't think so. LE said that Ron isn't being truthful, and I think it's because of his bus stop story. After all this time, they still aren't willing to admit that Misty picked Haleigh up? And IMO, this is hugely important. One of the last things that I heard from RC's lawyer, was that people were still putting RC at the bus stop. Sure they are. But what People? RC, Misty, and CC? Anyway, for him to make a point to address the issue, makes it seem to me, that the bus stop, is a problem between RC and LE.

[mkay882]

Originally Posted by dodie20

Why hasn't Misty ever said she was gone? If she would lie about her cousin being a child murderer, then surely a little lie saying she left to go buy cigarettes and then saw a friend and lost track of time, wouldn't have bothered her. That lie would make a lot more sense, than the lie of her sleeping through Haleigh being snatched, from literally under her nose. Lying about yourself, is nothing compared to calling somebody a cold blooded murderer. I think she never said she was gone, because it's the truth, and she wants to stay as far away from the truth, as she can. And I wonder why...was she gone disposing of Haleigh's body? MOO.

She was gone.
She did say so to the detectives.
I've posted the link here several times over the years but it was apparently ignored. <shrug>

[christee]

Yes, many facts have been listed...Good thing we're allowed our own opinions.

[mkay882]

No opinion.
Fact.

[christee]

Yes, true facts which none of Haleigh's family has provided.


ETA: JMO

[Chablis]

Originally Posted by mkay882

No opinion.
Fact.

Well lets see the link again. Not once has any (credible) news outlet had the headline, Croslin admits she left the kids alone, I am pretty sure about that. I highly doubt the kids were alone, maybe separated from each other, because I believe Annette dropped off Junior that night and Haleigh was murdered shortly after Ron picked her up from the bus and she was long disposed of before then. I have no doubts Haleigh asked Ron where Misty was, probably when she was on his lap, and he lost it.

jmo

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by Chablis

Well lets see the link again. Not once has any (credible) news outlet had the headline, Croslin admits she left the kids alone, I am pretty sure about that. I highly doubt the kids were alone, maybe separated from each other, because I believe Annette dropped off Junior that night and Haleigh was murdered shortly after Ron picked her up from the bus and she was long disposed of before then. I have no doubts Haleigh asked Ron where Misty was, probably when she was on his lap, and he lost it.

jmo

BBM I do remember hearing she went outside to smoke. I would also like to see that link again, if it isn't too much trouble. txs

[mkay882]

Originally Posted by Chablis

Well lets see the link again. Not once has any (credible) news outlet had the headline, Croslin admits she left the kids alone, I am pretty sure about that. I highly doubt the kids were alone, maybe separated from each other, because I believe Annette dropped off Junior that night and Haleigh was murdered shortly after Ron picked her up from the bus and she was long disposed of before then. I have no doubts Haleigh asked Ron where Misty was, probably when she was on his lap, and he lost it.

jmo

<yawn> Not that y'all will believe or accept it, since "Ron did it" isn't included, but one more time...

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...e-1-Year-Later

From the link (if it still works. If not I did c/p the complete article)

"..... "We get new leads every day,” said Lt. John Greenwood from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. “You know it's just going to take the one that we need."

Detectives believe that one tip may come from the Misty, who was then Ronald's girlfriend. Misty was watching the girl that day. She told detectives she left Haleigh alone for just a few minutes inside the home. Haleigh then simply vanished....."

[Chablis]

Originally Posted by mkay882

<yawn> Not that y'all will believe or accept it, since "Ron did it" isn't included, but one more time...

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...e-1-Year-Later

From the link (if it still works. If not I did c/p the complete article)

"..... "We get new leads every day,” said Lt. John Greenwood from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. “You know it's just going to take the one that we need."

Detectives believe that one tip may come from the Misty, who was then Ronald's girlfriend. Misty was watching the girl that day. She told detectives she left Haleigh alone for just a few minutes inside the home. Haleigh then simply vanished....."

And if I recall it was to go outside and smoke some weed with Tommy, so a few minutes really isnt enough time to leave and go "party" on a Monday night.

[dodie20]

Yes, Misty said she went outside to smoke, but that's a lot different than her admitting she left the property for hours...which is what I believe she did. This is one of those times, IMO, where somebody admits to as little as possible, but still maintains a portion of the truth. MOO. She was probably smoking alright, but what and where? MOO

[mkay882]

Originally Posted by Chablis

And if I recall it was to go outside and smoke some weed with Tommy, so a few minutes really isnt enough time to leave and go "party" on a Monday night.

You may be right. All I know is what's in the link.

[mkay882]

Originally Posted by dodie20

Yes, Misty said she went outside to smoke, but that's a lot different than her admitting she left the property for hours...which is what I believe she did. This is one of those times, IMO, where somebody admits to as little as possible, but still maintains a portion of the truth. MOO. She was probably smoking alright, but what and where? MOO

I have always 'assumed' since Tommy lived on the next street Misty would have no problem going over while the kids were asleep to smoke, talk etc and may have done so on a regular basis.
If she cut through the back it wasn't very far IIRC.

[Concerned Papa]

Originally Posted by mkay882

<yawn> Not that y'all will believe or accept it, since "Ron did it" isn't included, but one more time...

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...e-1-Year-Later

From the link (if it still works. If not I did c/p the complete article)

"..... "We get new leads every day,” said Lt. John Greenwood from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. “You know it's just going to take the one that we need."

Detectives believe that one tip may come from the Misty, who was then Ronald's girlfriend. Misty was watching the girl that day. She told detectives she left Haleigh alone for just a few minutes inside the home. Haleigh then simply vanished....."

Without getting into the semantics of whether "leaving alone" means going into another room or going to another house, there is one part of this link that I do disagree with.

Haleigh didn't just simply vanish.

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by Concerned Papa

Without getting into the semantics of whether "leaving alone" means going into another room or going to another house, there is one part of this link that I do disagree with.

Haleigh didn't just simply vanish.

According to CS, Jr saw a man in black, take his sister. He also said Misty was asleep. I wonder if early on, Misty was trying to imply that Haleigh was taken during the few minutes that they were left alone. And then what? She didn't notice her missing, until she woke up at 3 something? I guess this is one of her many inconsistencies. It looks like she changed a key part of her story, to fit either Jr's account, or something LE has proof of. otherwise, she would've told a story and stuck to it. But I do believe she was gone. She probably left the kids alone, IMO, and this is where a lot of the stories get blurred. If she was gone, it would be interesting to know, who all knew the kids were alone. Did RC? Did Tommy go by the trailer, like he said, but actually found the kids alone? Maybe. MOO

[dodie20]

But...I'm thinking I may be way off on this theory. If Misty DID leave, what exactly would be accomplished by her admitting it? It wouldn't solve this case, (I don't think), and the murderer wouldn't be named. So, when LE talks about 'key' information that Misty is withholding, they must be talking about something specific...like she saw exactly what happened. MOO. Unless they need her to admit she was gone, so they can put Tommy at the trailer, unsupervised. But, what about Jr. saying that Misty was asleep? When Tommy tried to recant the banging on the door story, LE refused to budge, and said they were sticking with his original time. There must be a reason Tommy tried to pull out. I wonder what LE has...whatever it is, it sure made Tommy run scared. LE saying they were sticking to the original time, was a BIG deal. IMO, this is the center of the investigation. When Tommy first told the story, he said RC asked him to check the trailer. RC, through his lawyer, made a point to explain, that he only asked if Misty was with him. So, it looked like he didn't want to be associated with sending Tommy to the trailer. And on this, I believed him...but, it did make me wonder what he knew. MOO

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by mkay882

I have always 'assumed' since Tommy lived on the next street Misty would have no problem going over while the kids were asleep to smoke, talk etc and may have done so on a regular basis.
If she cut through the back it wasn't very far IIRC.

One thing I've noticed about Tommy, is he admits to a little and leaves out a lot. When he said that he banged on the trailer door, I knew that wasn't the full story. I 'knew', that he had gone in that trailer...otherwise, he wouldn't have admitted going to the door. IMO, he never tells the full story, and seems to hold things back, in an attempt to minimize his own involvement. Anyway, IMO, Misty may have been doing this too...admitted to being gone 'for a few minutes', when in actuality, she was gone, much longer. MOO

[Chablis]

Originally Posted by dodie20

One thing I've noticed about Tommy, is he admits to a little and leaves out a lot. When he said that he banged on the trailer door, I knew that wasn't the full story. I 'knew', that he had gone in that trailer...otherwise, he wouldn't have admitted going to the door. IMO, he never tells the full story, and seems to hold things back, in an attempt to minimize his own involvement. Anyway, IMO, Misty may have been doing this too...admitted to being gone 'for a few minutes', when in actuality, she was gone, much longer. MOO

Except no one has come forward to say they gave her a ride, and no one has admitted being with her. The fact really is, this case the complete truth is known by one person and hes being housed with a new Nazi tattoo. You can not have 10 people involved and expect it to be as quiet as it has. The secret will die with Ron, unless he gets a sweet plea bargain with probation and out of prison early with smoking privileges for what he did to his daughter. Ron is not in prison because he was so honorable to take himself out of society if it meant Misty done got caught, so many Ron supporters try to mold this into some mercy lockup, Ron is not selfless, had he been selfless he would have not stolen his kids out of spite because Crystal didn't want anything to do with him anymore. And now look at him, he had a chance to turn his life around and be the man his son (s) who he still had needed him to be, but he chose to run around with some young thing sporting fresh ink on her lower back, dealing drugs and threatening people, knowing he was probably under mega surveillance.

I cringe thinking what Haleighs last weekend on earth was like with a manic drug addicted frantic father all drugged up and devastated over his teen paramour, I can only imagine what he took out on those helpless kids.

jmo

[mkay882]

Originally Posted by dodie20

One thing I've noticed about Tommy, is he admits to a little and leaves out a lot. When he said that he banged on the trailer door, I knew that wasn't the full story. I 'knew', that he had gone in that trailer...otherwise, he wouldn't have admitted going to the door. IMO, he never tells the full story, and seems to hold things back, in an attempt to minimize his own involvement. Anyway, IMO, Misty may have been doing this too...admitted to being gone 'for a few minutes', when in actuality, she was gone, much longer. MOO

May be why Misty is the 'key'. Telling lies.
Like where she was, when she left and returned, what time she actually knew HaLeigh was missing, who visited and how late, etc.

Tommy is a suspect because he admitted to being there and the story of the river/gator dump.
IMO he passed that part of the LDT (dump/gator site) and LE knows where HaLeigh died.

May be why his wife dumped him so quick after the LDT.

[4Jacy]

IIRC it was reported Misty was outside with Tommy and the kids around 5:00, smoking grass, watching the children play. I believe she said that later that night she went outside to smoke a cigarette. Seems like two different times, before dinner and while the children were watching movies or sleeping.

[mkay882]

"Outside" where would be my question?
Tommy's? Her yard?

[dodie20]

Originally Posted by mkay882

May be why Misty is the 'key'. Telling lies.
Like where she was, when she left and returned, what time she actually knew HaLeigh was missing, who visited and how late, etc.

Tommy is a suspect because he admitted to being there and the story of the river/gator dump.
IMO he passed that part of the LDT (dump/gator site) and LE knows where HaLeigh died.

May be why his wife dumped him so quick after the LDT.

Tommy claimed he was asked only 1 question. He was telling this to LC, and was trying to downplay the whole thing, so who knows if he was telling the truth. IMO, if he really was asked just 1 question, it was because he saw where the interview was going, and refused to continue. Is it reasonable to think a LDT interviewer, showed up with just 1 question? I don't think so. But if there really was just 1 question, and he failed it, he didn't pass any part of the test. I don't have any idea what that 1 question could have been, but if it was something like, 'Was Haleigh dumped in the St John's River?', and then he replied with a 'No'...I can see how even a failed question, would support the search. MOO