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Old 08-11-2011, 07:48 PM
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From Dr. Drew 8/10/11

BONN: Well, I studied patterns of serial killers, and this almost looks like staging. It looks like that this may have been some sort of a deliberate attempt at humiliation and in retribution of some sort. It smacks of sex and rage in my estimation based upon what we know at this point, but of course, we have to get the results from toxicology.

PINSKY: I`m so sorry. I`m running out of time. Should we be looking at a broader ring of suspects here? Or do any of the people that we know about fit what you`re profiling?

BONN: She was just recently divorced and changed her name back to her maiden name two months before she died. So, I might look in that direction as well.

PINSKY: Very interesting. Thank you to my panel.

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There is no proof JS was going to marry Rebecca. That was a statement from a "close friend" of JS. BS! Maybe possibly one day, but he hadn't put a ring on it, hence the "girlfriend" status not the "fiancee" status. It appears that JS's PR folks wanted him to put him in the best light.
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Extreme flextime in troubled times at Medicis…

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Under Shacknai’s contract, that could trigger a sizable payout if he’s eased out after a sale: 3x salary and bonus, lifetime health benefits, $225,000 over three years for administrative support and services, and more.

Plus, on the same day that Shacknai signed his new contract, the company established a new executive pension program, effective retroactively back to June 1. It’s not yet clear exactly how big Shacknai’s pension will be under the plan, but he’s eligible for an annual payout of up to 50% of his average earnings each year for 20 years, and the 10-Q shows the company has already accrued a $33.8-million liability for an unspecified number of participants in the plan.

That said, Shacknai couldn’t claim the full pension immediately: He and the others earn a sixth of it each year through 2016 — or all at once if the company is acquired.
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DS @ 2005 Oscar de la Renta party

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RE: JS - I agree 4Jacy, it's possible but, in my opinion at this point, not probable.

RE: DS - As you wisely said, "a whole different story" !!! After following this case I think I can fully understand the strong possibility of her built up rage against RN. I can imagine it, I can manifest it and I can imagine how that rage could uncontrollably explode.

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YES, Quester, I am in full agreement with the above. However, someone said (not you) early on that DS saw her meal ticket taken away because of Maxie's death. That unearthed me! No mother would ever, in God's green earth, be thinking about that when her child has just died.

RE: Your statement, "this 'case' will never go to court"; are you thinking there will be a plea or are you thinking because of the $$$$s charges will not be made?

I can't imagine a plea. I truly think it will be all about the $$$$ and the power. As usual.

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Rebecca Zahau's Siblings (Brother & Sister)

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Rebecca Zahau has two younger "adolescent" siblings, a brother (JZ) & sister (XZ). She's in middle sch.,...they are a couple of years apart.

Rebecca is from a family of 6. I believe her sister MZL is the eldest, with Rebecca being the 2nd oldest.
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RE: JS - I agree 4Jacy, it's possible but, in my opinion at this point, not probable.

RE: DS - As you wisely said, "a whole different story" !!! After following this case I think I can fully understand the strong possibility of her built up rage against RN. I can imagine it, I can manifest it and I can imagine how that rage could uncontrollably explode.

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YES, Quester, I am in full agreement with the above. However, someone said (not you) early on that DS saw her meal ticket taken away because of Maxie's death. That unearthed me! No mother would ever, in God's green earth, be thinking about that when her child has just died.

RE: Your statement, "this 'case' will never go to court"; are you thinking there will be a plea or are you thinking because of the $$$$s charges will not be made?
I can't imagine a plea. I truly think it will be all about the $$$$ and the power. As usual.
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I agree. Her anger and rage would not be about her meal ticket at all. It was about losing her husband and then, worst of all, her little son's life. I would be seething with rage if I were her. And I could be angry enough to lash out if I thought the woman was actually negligent and responsible for my child's death. But I cannot see myself going through all of that weird staging and tying knots and hogtying and throwing bodies over balconies...
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Rebecca Zahau has two younger "adolescent" siblings, a brother (JZ) & sister (XZ). She's in middle sch.,...they are a couple of years apart.

Rebecca is from a family of 6. I believe her sister MZL is the eldest, with Rebecca being the 2nd oldest.
Are those her bros and sis or niece and nephew?
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Hi everybody! I just finished reading this thread and have some thoughts I would like to share, all IMO of course:
1) Based upon pictures I've seen, DS is not a small woman. She also clearly has a temper. I wonder how her relationship was with AS? Did they still speak, get along?
2) RN appeared very petite (although fit) and had a pronounced limp.
3) Dogs will get involved in arguments, generally trying to STOP whom ever they see as the agressor. The marks I saw in the photo of DS looked like claw marks of a dog jumping up on her back which is what would be available if she were choking JS. I believe this was the incident where JS says she choked him. If the dog saw her as a threat, I could easily see it getting involved all on it's own with no urging by JS and no animosity by the dog. German Shepards are very protective anyway. IMHO, that bruise was no dog bite.
4) The stairs were carpeted. Thick, luxurious carpeting. 11 steps maximum. That is all. It had a landing and two sets of stairs. He couldn't have fallen down both sets. That must have been a heck of a fall for a healthy six year old to stop breathing or having a pulse. That would have made some noise I would think. I'm having a hard time with that. Perhaps RN was cleaning, getting ready for the party she was supposed to have and didn't hear? Perhaps the puppy tripped Max at the top of the stairs? The sister called it in. How long did he lay there?
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/q...edirected=true
5) I don't think that is a scarf. I think it is some kind of medical product from the EMTs. You can even see a package a distance from her head and the "scarf" is exactly the color of blue they make most disposable medical products.
6) Are electrical cords a common item used to hang oneself with? I would never think of running to the garage for an electical cord but that is just me. Seems like a lot of trouble. And so very very public.

That being said, I see two possible scenarios:

RN is sleeping, nude, and is surprised by an intruder who proceeds to choke her to death, and cover the murder by making it look like a suicide tossing her body over the balcony.

or

RN, overcome with guilt and completely distraught, runs cord out, goes outside and pulls the table over under the balcony. RN sits on the table, ties her ankles, puts the noose over her head, somehow ties her hands behind her back and proceeds to scoot off the table. This action causes one leg to break off the very weathered teak table (yes, I know teak isn't supposed to break....), the cord stretches and RN is hanging low the ground. Rigor mortis sets in and causes her legs to be at an angle. All very difficult in the middle of the night in the dark. I would think that would make some noise as well.

I don't know if it is accurate, but I read here that she was Burmese. The Japanese occupied Burma for many years. I found that Jigai was a version of seppuku practiced by Japanese women. They would tie their legs together so they would be "decent" when they were found. Dunno that it has anything to do with this, but thought I would throw it into the ring. I can't understand why she would be worried about that since she was nude however..........

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Rebecca Zahau has two younger "adolescent" siblings, a brother (JZ) & sister (XZ). She's in middle sch.,...they are a couple of years apart.

Rebecca is from a family of 6. I believe her sister MZL is the eldest, with Rebecca being the 2nd oldest.
Is there any possibility that Rebecca's sister WAS also there that day (the other girl frequently mentioned is 14 rather than 13)? That would add a very interesting element to this story.
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Is there any possibility that Rebecca's sister WAS also there that day (the other girl frequently mentioned is 14 rather than 13)? That would add a very interesting element to this story.
Well, whoever called in the 911- wasn't very familiar with the physical address...
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Hi everybody! I just finished reading this thread and have some thoughts I would like to share, all IMO of course:
1) Based upon pictures I've seen, DS is not a small woman. She also clearly has a temper. I wonder how her relationship was with AS? Did they still speak, get along?
2) RN appeared very petite (although fit) and had a pronounced limp.
3) Dogs will get involved in arguments, generally trying to STOP whom ever they see as the agressor. The marks I saw in the photo of DS looked like claw marks of a dog jumping up on her back which is what would be available if she were choking JS. I believe this was the incident where JS says she choked him. If the dog saw her as a threat, I could easily see it getting involved all on it's own with no urging by JS and no animosity by the dog. German Shepards are very protective anyway. IMHO, that bruise was no dog bite.
4) The stairs were carpeted. Thick, luxurious carpeting. 11 steps maximum. That is all. It had a landing and two sets of stairs. He couldn't have fallen down both sets. That must have been a heck of a fall for a healthy six year old to stop breathing or having a pulse.
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That would have made some noise I would think. I'm having a hard time with that
. Perhaps RN was cleaning, getting ready for the party she was supposed to have and didn't hear? Perhaps the puppy tripped Max at the top of the stairs? The sister called it in. How long did he lay there?
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/q...edirected=true
5) I don't think that is a scarf. I think it is some kind of medical product from the EMTs. You can even see a package a distance from her head and the "scarf" is exactly the color of blue they make most disposable medical products.
6) Are electrical cords a common item used to hang oneself with? I would never think of running to the garage for an electical cord but that is just me. Seems like a lot of trouble. And so very very public.

That being said, I see two possible scenarios:

RN is sleeping, nude, and is surprised by an intruder who proceeds to choke her to death, and cover the murder by making it look like a suicide tossing her body over the balcony.

or

RN, overcome with guilt and completely distraught, runs cord out, goes outside and pulls the table over under the balcony. RN sits on the table, ties her ankles, puts the noose over her head, somehow ties her hands behind her back and proceeds to scoot off the table. This action causes one leg to break off the very weathered teak table (yes, I know teak isn't supposed to break....), the cord stretches and RN is hanging low the ground. Rigor mortis sets in and causes her legs to be at an angle. All very difficult in the middle of the night in the dark. I would think that would make some noise as well.

I don't know if it is accurate, but I read here that she was Burmese. The Japanese occupied Burma for many years. I found that Jigai was a version of seppuku practiced by Japanese women. They would tie their legs together so they would be "decent" when they were found. Dunno that it has anything to do with this, but thought I would throw it into the ring. I can't understand why she would be worried about that since she was nude however..........

ohh.. My son stood up and fell out of the grocery cart at Kroger when he was about 18 mos old!
It was the most horrid sound. T H U N K
it haunts me to this day! and he is 18 now.
people came running looking for the sound, from several aisles away. Yes we were in the diaper aisle.
Tokk him almost two minutes to cry! he didn't fall TOO far, but he got a full work up anyway.
Someone in the home would have heard it (I think)
I still wonder if anyone SAW him fall or just found him on the floor.
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I agree. Her anger and rage would not be about her meal ticket at all. It was about losing her husband and then, worst of all, her little son's life. I would be seething with rage if I were her. And I could be angry enough to lash out if I thought the woman was actually negligent and responsible for my child's death. But I cannot see myself going through all of that weird staging and tying knots and hogtying and throwing bodies over balconies...


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katy I agree with the bolded above. I would more than "lash out"(if you know what I mean,) if something happened to my child due to negligence. But it would be clean and quick; very, very quick!!
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Rebecca Zahau has two younger "adolescent" siblings, a brother (JZ) & sister (XZ). She's in middle sch.,...they are a couple of years apart.

Rebecca is from a family of 6. I believe her sister MZL is the eldest, with Rebecca being the 2nd oldest.
Could you provide a link please? Thx.


ETA: The following is the only reference I have seen to RN's younger siblings and two of the younger sound like they are adults:

She was a role model to her younger siblings. She adored her nephew and niece. Rebecca was taken from us far too soon. It is hard to accept that she will not be a part of our lives as her younger brother and sister gets married, her nephew and niece graduates from high school, with the birth of new members, and the other many family milestones ahead of us.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/obituarie...cca-m-zahau-2/

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I guess I am out of the loop, not having much time lately to follow, but where can I find transcripts of the 911 call? Last I heard they weren't releasing it, but it sounds like you know the content of the call.
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Extreme flextime in troubled times at Medicis…

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Under Shacknai’s contract, that could trigger a sizable payout if he’s eased out after a sale: 3x salary and bonus, lifetime health benefits, $225,000 over three years for administrative support and services, and more.

Plus, on the same day that Shacknai signed his new contract, the company established a new executive pension program, effective retroactively back to June 1. It’s not yet clear exactly how big Shacknai’s pension will be under the plan, but he’s eligible for an annual payout of up to 50% of his average earnings each year for 20 years, and the 10-Q shows the company has already accrued a $33.8-million liability for an unspecified number of participants in the plan.

That said, Shacknai couldn’t claim the full pension immediately: He and the others earn a sixth of it each year through 2016 — or all at once if the company is acquired.

This is a very, very interesting article. It talks about how JS was permitted to be "in the office" 2 1/2 days a week to be able to meet with staff and others. The other time he was "providing day care services" for his kids and other projects (I'm thinking his non-profit interests). It's a good read. I wonder if all this came about after and/or during his divorce from DS. Did they have shared parenting?

It is a very unusual and generous employment/business contract for a person (even a co. president) that gets to work a "flex schedule" and who comes across as a real "go getter". I saw him as the first one in and last to leave and controlling.........

I somehow didn't picture him as an executive saying, 'hey, I am not going to be in the office everyday because my children come first' puts a whole new spin on JS. I'm sure he worked a lot even while he was at home (he did say he called all his associates/customers on their birthdays)....did RN quit her job in December to help with child care?

If Medicis is taken over, sounds like JS is going to get a pretty hefty "golden parachute".......which is the norm in today.
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8/12 Medicis CEO Shacknai’s Contract Put Kids Ahead of Company

[JS' employment agreement] requires that he work only four days per week, that he be allowed to work from home, that charity functions be considered part of his work, and that he “may not be available for corporate matters during such times that he is providing care for his children.”
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The childcare clause dates back to 1999. It’s not clear why Shacknai wanted such flexible hours. He is the founder of the company, and as such dictates his terms to a large extent.
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The police investigation is expected to take several more weeks — a time period in which Valeant clearly sees a weakened company with a distracted leader, ripe for the picking.
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I'd say that's unusual. Especially for a man who could clearly afford to pay a babysitter if needed. We were also told RN quit her job to help care for the children? Did he object to babysitters for whatever reasons?
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It sounds like Jonah really wanted to be an active part in his children's lives.

While usual maybe for a CEO..........I find it quite refreshing.

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I guess I am out of the loop, not having much time lately to follow, but where can I find transcripts of the 911 call? Last I heard they weren't releasing it, but it sounds like you know the content of the call.
Short answer - 911 transcript is still sealed.

I think it was pferrin who listened to the police radio archives and reported the interesting and informative findings. Look under pferrin's profile to find the post.

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The new info about JS' employment agreement does put a new spin on JS' character and his priorities.

However, with today's technology, an executive is never out of reach. Sounds like he just has a clause that allows him not to answer a call or respond immediately or attend a meeting if he so chooses (with the agreed excuse that he is tending to his children).
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The new info about JS' employment agreement does put a new spin on JS' character and his priorities.

However, with today's technology, an executive is never out of reach. Sounds like he just has a clause that allows him not to answer a call or respond immediately or attend a meeting if he so chooses (with the agreed excuse that he is tending to his children).
For a man to claim he has to care of kids so he might not be able to attend work related functions? A man who clearly could afford child care if needed for such an occasion? I find that very unusual and certainly suggests he was extremely devoted to his children, more so than I'd say a lot of men.
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