Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[defense101]

Originally Posted by Inobu

I recall it being an article written where a reporter knocked on the door and wanted to ask questions but the man said that Dina was not at home and had no comment.

I think arielilane may have found that link. It was during the discussion concerning where Dina's house was located, I remember saying that the reporter found her house.

There are so many pages it a needle in a Nebraska corn field.

Inobu

Thanks, I thought I remembered seeing the front door being closed on DS's house after they spoke to the man, but I have gone through every video I could find with no luck, I found the article but no video.

[Bonepile]

Originally Posted by TorisMom003

Would JS bother changing the alarm code or door locks after his marriage was over? If not DS would have a key still and also know the code to turn off the alarm. RN was found around 6:30 am, however we do not know what time she died. RN could have been in bed asleep, DS quietly enters the house and attacks RN while she is sleeping. Less of a struggle that way. Manual strangulation with a rope that was then used to hang RN.

Or the blue scarf found around her neck (if it is a blue scarf) and what bothers me is the close proximity of DS's home to JS's home I just get the picture that DS could come and go there as she pleased especially to see MS.

[Bonepile]

I still go back to total darkness on that night and all that had to happen or be done in darkness if it was suicide cause if it was murder a lot of this could have transpired in the house with the lights turned on, and there has to be "something" on that rug or on that framed item removed under the blanket to say it was "done" in the house.

[Inobu]

Originally Posted by Cracka*Jaxx

I can imagine that DS was responsible. But if she is, I think she hired someone else to do it- very possibly two people. It would have been too much of a struggle for DS to have done it alone and there would have been all kinds of evidence left at the scene. IMO, whoever did the deed was methodical and experienced.

I try to key on two factors. The source of what i being spoken and the choice of words from the speaking party.

When a homicide investigator uses the phrase "violent death" with tones of condolences it has to be bad. That is what I sense. I agree that most likely two people were involved.

Hit

There are two kinds of hits. Professional or Thug. If anything this is a thug hit..........to leave this mess behind..... under the circumstances I highly doubt that kind of action (Hit call) was taken by anyone here. Remember these people (CEO and PhD) were writing he/she hit me letters to the Chief of Police in PV.

Nothing was thought out in this crime, I would be very surprised if it was.

Inobu

[defense101]

Originally Posted by Pach

1.) I am curious what were the exact words of AS when he called 911. I have read from one of the posts here, that he said something like "there appears to be a woman bla bla bla" . Sounds like a weird way of describing the situation almost like a geeky or detached way of describing the situation. Can anyone confirm his exact words ?? Why didn't he just said straight out "my sister in law is hanging !

2.) is its true that there was an female witness on that morning, I wonder who saw Rebecca's body first, AS or that female witness ?? or both.

3.) There is the wild possibility that a neighbor or passerby saw the 2 witnesses drag the body so now that they have been "spotted" , they now call 911 and pretend to have "discovered" a female hanging.

4.)Another wild possibility is that the 2nd witness saw AS and that's why AS now calls 911 to report the event.

5.) those reported neighbor's teens who reportedly took photos of Rebecca's body should be called for questioning as well.

6.) and of course, its also possible, that AS was just an innocent witness who woke up to see this horrifying spectacle.

According to the LE press conference Captain Curran says that AS said on his 911 call that there was a woman on the property and that she appeared to be dead, and from what I heard that AS and RN were the only ones in the home.

[Carpe Pacem]

I'd have opened the door to the mother of that poor little boy, especially if she said she'd come to pick up his favorite teddy bear or blanket, but that's me.

[Pach]

I agree. there was only 2 days to plan this if we assume that the planning started to happen on the day that the maxie fell down. with 2 days to plan and emotions clouding the mastermind, I won't be surprised if a lot of evidence were left behind including videocam recordings in a number of places.

Originally Posted by Inobu

I try to key on two factors. The source of what i being spoken and the choice of words from the speaking party.

When a homicide investigator uses the phrase "violent death" with tones of condolences it has to be bad. That is what I sense. I agree that most likely two people were involved.

Hit

There are two kinds of hits. Professional or Thug. If anything this is a thug hit..........to leave this mess behind..... under the circumstances I highly doubt that kind of action (Hit call) was taken by anyone here. Remember these people (CEO and PhD) were writing he/she hit me letters to the Chief of Police in PV.

Nothing was thought out in this crime, I would be very surprised if it was.

Inobu

[defense101]

Originally Posted by Carpe Pacem

I'd have opened the door to the mother of that poor little boy, especially if she said she'd come to pick up his favorite teddy bear or blanket, but that's me.

Yes, but DS and JS shared custody, DS's house would have his favorite toys or blankets, no need to go to JS for them imo

[Carpe Pacem]

Defense 101, you made me smile )

My little ones take their favorite blankies wherever they go. One of them's more like a raggedy "something awful" than a blanket, but heaven forfend it should be lost. or forgotten when the family travels. A huge backtracking trip once had to be made when it was left behind at a hotel.

Who knows, though, if that poor little guy was attached to a toy or blanket...

[MizStery]

I puzzle over the violent humiliating way RN was found. In domestic battery cases you can see an escalation of verbal and physical violence. But here there is no obvious antagonist. If I had to put one word on it ... I guess it would be rage. Who would most find satisfaction in destroying RN. Perhaps someone who felt entitled & they were smarter or just as good-as RN or felt they had nothing to lose.

[CalElliot]

Originally Posted by defense101

Thanks, I thought I remembered seeing the front door being closed on DS's house after they spoke to the man, but I have gone through every video I could find with no luck, I found the article but no video.

Article re Dina at her home may be this one...

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/q...edirected=true

[defense101]

Originally Posted by Carpe Pacem

Defense 101, you made me smile )

My little ones take their favorite blankies wherever they go. One of them's more like a raggedy "something awful" than a blanket, but heaven forfend it should be lost. or forgotten when the family travels. A huge backtracking trip once had to be made when it was left behind at a hotel.

Who knows, though, if that poor little guy was attached to a toy or blanket...

That could very well be...

gnite everyone! see you all in the morning.

[CalElliot]

Originally Posted by Pach

I agree. there was only 2 days to plan this if we assume that the planning started to happen on the day that the maxie fell down. with 2 days to plan and emotions clouding the mastermind, I won't be surprised if a lot of evidence were left behind including videocam recordings in a number of places.

Perhaps Max was the original but not guaranteed effective "hit" so RZ was the followup, to ensure that a message was sent?

[defense101]

Originally Posted by CalElliot

Article re Dina at her home may be this one...

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/q...edirected=true

Thanks calelliot, I thought I went through all of them but will try again in the am I think.

[Pach]

I hope not , otherwise that gives me the jeepers creepers. I just started posting in this forum but, ive been feeling more uneasy thinking about the evil man can do. Ive been keeping an eye on everyone everywhere I walk now LOL

Originally Posted by CalElliot

Perhaps Max was the original but not guaranteed effective "hit" so RZ was the followup, to ensure that a message was sent?

[Charlie09]

Originally Posted by Pach

I agree. there was only 2 days to plan this if we assume that the planning started to happen on the day that the maxie fell down. with 2 days to plan and emotions clouding the mastermind, I won't be surprised if a lot of evidence were left behind including videocam recordings in a number of places.

We've all assumed that if it is murder it had something to do with Maxie's death...what if it didn't? What if it was planned before and this just made it easier with JS at the hospital?

I've suspected it was a warning of look just how close we can get...

It still seems awfully personal....but what if it was planned further out - would it take anyone out of the picture?

[CalElliot]

Originally Posted by Inobu

Nothing was thought out in this crime, I would be very surprised if it was.

Inobu

Inobu, I have appreciated your insightful posts. This one of yours is also thought-provoking. If "nothing was thought-out in this crime," then perhaps EVERYTHING was? Absolutes IMO tend to be interchangeable, same as beginnings and endings.

A few random observations to share for discussion and feedback...

- CafePharma.com community threads suggest sexual harrassment of female employees has been rampant at Medicis for years. Could JS have had another relationship ongoing aside from RZ? Or a previous relationship other than his wife that ended badly and led to jealousy toward RZ?

- In portrait photos of JS and RZ with purple background, RZ prominently displays her right hand with ring on wedding ring finger. News reports ID these photos as shot in December 2010. Was the aborted Tuesday party to announce a wedding date?

- Starting in 2007 or 2008, Medicis has (as have many other BP companies) been busy attending to its tarnished image as an illegal promoter (to its financial benefit) of the off-label use of certain drugs. Image laundering tactics have included a relationship with Ethisphere.com, another PR machine.

- MS at hospital at the very least provided opportunity. Were MS and RN BOTH supposed to die the same day but the dog, or something else, intervened?

- A "blue scarf" reportedly a hate crime symbol in Burma neighbor Cambodia. Does this have any relation to the blue object on RZ? Red herring?
http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutge...fgenocide.html

- Is the blue object on RZ the blue jacket she wore to go ziplining, as shown in two of the photos in the memorial tribute created by her family? http://www.meierhoffer.com/obituarie...cca-m-zahau-2/

- RZ memorial tribute includes no photos of RZ with NN or JS.

- Are RZ's parents still alive? If not, what happened to them? If so, where are they? Were RZ and her sisters orphaned?

- RZ's sister Mary Zahau-Loehner, who has been quite succinct about her POV that RZ did NOT commit suicide, is married to LE... Her husband, Doug Loehner, is a decorated policeman http://www.stjoepd.info/awards.cfm

- In some of the aerial photos of RZ in crime scene, two of the table legs are aligned with the walkway and abut the grass; in others, they're on the bricks, several inches back.

- What is that ongoing feud about between Dr. Arnold Klein and JS?

- Did DS scramble to get licensed post death of her son to legitimize herself? Did she show up for her exam on August 1? http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/ag46.pdf

- Given RZ body reportedly exposed to the phones and cameras of public and news agencies for at least six hours, how is it that no graphic, unretouched photos or videos of crime scene have appeared on the net?

- What is Google's policy on crime investigations? Does it censor?

- Is Shacknai, a Democrat, being targeted by Big Pharma, as example not to cross its interests in the coinciding with the current debt debate in which billions in future BP profits are at stake?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_893477.html

- Did someone's child or children die, attributed as a direct or indirect result of a failed Shacknai drug company study? "In the most extensive test so far of its capability to treat autism, the controversial drug secretin has failed to help children with the neurological disorder. On Jan. 5, Repligen of Waltham, Mass., the biotech company seeking to develop secretin for use against autism, announced the disappointing results of its latest trial, which involved 132 children. A protein that occurs naturally in the gut, secretin gained notice as a potential autism cure in 1998, when news media reported a ease in which the substance seemingly cured an autistic boy. Neuroscientists were pleasantly surprised when they later discovered in rodent studies that nerve cells in brain regions implicated in autism respond to secretin, a finding that offered a biological rationale for a gut protein influencing autism (SN: 11/17/01, p. 314). Although Repligen didn't rule out further tests of secretin for some people with autism, the company said it also plans to investigate the protein as a treatment for schizophrenia. Source Citation "Drug fails in autism study." Science News 31 Jan. 2004.

- Was MS autistic? Did he need more than ordinary supervision?

- JS appears to have had botox injections in his forehead, restylane injections in his naso-labial folds, a chin implant to square off his jaw, and cheek implants further eliminate facial wrinkles.

- Where does JS stand in the BP world recently probed by Al Jazeera and Marcia Angell in her NYRB series on the off-label use of drugs?
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...948379987.html
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...l-illness-why/
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...of-psychiatry/

And does anyone know of a good timeline app or program?

[askfornina]

Originally Posted by CalElliot

- Given RZ body reportedly exposed to the phones and cameras of public and news agencies for at least six hours, how is it that no graphic, unretouched photos or videos of crime scene have appeared on the net?

i have wondered about this as well. especially with those kids reportedly snapping photos on the roof. i don't recall the source of that information though, can anyone help me out? i would think those kids would attempt to sell those photos, though i really have no idea if a news organization could actually show the uncensored pictures, or if they would even want to buy them or what. maybe these reporters are just being classy/respectful an unlikely scenario i admit.

[Paladine]

Originally Posted by Inobu

Another week or so and we will be accusing each other. (as I cut my eyes at arielilane hopping back on the fence)

Lol, maybe... Imagination is a wonderous thing...

[Paladine]

Originally Posted by Bonepile

and the "boys on the roof" ...

How young were they? Did they have a camera? Are there any photos, and if so who might have them? Were they interviewed? If old enough did they Tweet to their friends? Or facebook? Were they responsible for the loud music? Do they even exist?

Oh, they exist, there was an interview posted with one on some thread, here...anyone have the link? Was his name Brandon? (no last name, minor)

AND did they know anything else? Did they see anything else? What do they know about the family...kids usually know each other somewhat in neighbourhoods, imo...what did those kids know about life in that house, I wonder?

[Quester]

IF murder and IF DS is responsible:

1. Where was DS’ car between the critical 8 ¾ hours? [10pm Tue – 6:45am Wed]

2. Would DS' car’s on-board GPS system (if it had one) pinpoint her car’s location at all times?

3. If DS had her cell phone with her the whole time between the critical hours, would cell phone pinging differentiate between DS’s home and the mansion?

4. Did DS drive to the mansion or did she park her car near her own home and walk the few blocks to the mansion? [this could be the difference between temporary insanity and premeditated]

Disclaimer: Questions all based on pure speculation.

[Quester]

Originally Posted by CalElliot

Inobu, I have appreciated your insightful posts. This one of yours is also thought-provoking. If "nothing was thought-out in this crime," then perhaps EVERYTHING was? Absolutes IMO tend to be interchangeable, same as beginnings and endings.

A few random observations to share for discussion and feedback...

- CafePharma.com community threads suggest sexual harrassment of female employees has been rampant at Medicis for years. Could JS have had another relationship ongoing aside from RZ? Or a previous relationship other than his wife that ended badly and led to jealousy toward RZ?

- In portrait photos of JS and RZ with purple background, RZ prominently displays her right hand with ring on wedding ring finger. News reports ID these photos as shot in December 2010. Was the aborted Tuesday party to announce a wedding date?

- Starting in 2007 or 2008, Medicis has (as have many other BP companies) been busy attending to its tarnished image as an illegal promoter (to its financial benefit) of the off-label use of certain drugs. Image laundering tactics have included a relationship with Ethisphere.com, another PR machine.

- MS at hospital at the very least provided opportunity. Were MS and RN BOTH supposed to die the same day but the dog, or something else, intervened?

- A "blue scarf" reportedly a hate crime symbol in Burma neighbor Cambodia. Does this have any relation to the blue object on RZ? Red herring?
http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutge...fgenocide.html

- Is the blue object on RZ the blue jacket she wore to go ziplining, as shown in two of the photos in the memorial tribute created by her family? http://www.meierhoffer.com/obituarie...cca-m-zahau-2/

- RZ memorial tribute includes no photos of RZ with NN or JS.

- Are RZ's parents still alive? If not, what happened to them? If so, where are they? Were RZ and her sisters orphaned?

- RZ's sister Mary Zahau-Loehner, who has been quite succinct about her POV that RZ did NOT commit suicide, is married to LE... Her husband, Doug Loehner, is a decorated policeman http://www.stjoepd.info/awards.cfm

- In some of the aerial photos of RZ in crime scene, two of the table legs are aligned with the walkway and abut the grass; in others, they're on the bricks, several inches back.

- What is that ongoing feud about between Dr. Arnold Klein and JS?

- Did DS scramble to get licensed post death of her son to legitimize herself? Did she show up for her exam on August 1? http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/ag46.pdf

- Given RZ body reportedly exposed to the phones and cameras of public and news agencies for at least six hours, how is it that no graphic, unretouched photos or videos of crime scene have appeared on the net?

- What is Google's policy on crime investigations? Does it censor?

- Is Shacknai, a Democrat, being targeted by Big Pharma, as example not to cross its interests in the coinciding with the current debt debate in which billions in future BP profits are at stake?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_893477.html

- Did someone's child or children die, attributed as a direct or indirect result of a failed Shacknai drug company study? "In the most extensive test so far of its capability to treat autism, the controversial drug secretin has failed to help children with the neurological disorder. On Jan. 5, Repligen of Waltham, Mass., the biotech company seeking to develop secretin for use against autism, announced the disappointing results of its latest trial, which involved 132 children. A protein that occurs naturally in the gut, secretin gained notice as a potential autism cure in 1998, when news media reported a ease in which the substance seemingly cured an autistic boy. Neuroscientists were pleasantly surprised when they later discovered in rodent studies that nerve cells in brain regions implicated in autism respond to secretin, a finding that offered a biological rationale for a gut protein influencing autism (SN: 11/17/01, p. 314). Although Repligen didn't rule out further tests of secretin for some people with autism, the company said it also plans to investigate the protein as a treatment for schizophrenia. Source Citation "Drug fails in autism study." Science News 31 Jan. 2004.

- Was MS autistic? Did he need more than ordinary supervision?

- JS appears to have had botox injections in his forehead, restylane injections in his naso-labial folds, a chin implant to square off his jaw, and cheek implants further eliminate facial wrinkles.

- Where does JS stand in the BP world recently probed by Al Jazeera and Marcia Angell in her NYRB series on the off-label use of drugs?
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...948379987.html
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...l-illness-why/
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...of-psychiatry/

And does anyone know of a good timeline app or program?

WOW! WOW! WOW! Great post!

[Quester]

Originally Posted by CalElliot

Article re Dina at her home may be this one...

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/q...edirected=true

From your link and BBM:

[JS]'s ex-wife, a clinical psychologist based in Arizona, also lives part-time at a nearby home in Coronado. News 8 spoke to an unidentified man at her home, who said she was not prepared to make a public statement at this time. He added that she was at the hospital with her son at the time of the incident at the mansion.


My comment:

So it could have been DS' man-friend who OFFERED the information that DS was at the hospital "at the time of the incident".

How would he know what time the incident happened?

How could he be so sure that DS was at the hospital at that particular time?

I wonder if they are still a couple?

[Paladine]

Originally Posted by Quester

IF murder and IF DS is responsible:

1. Where was DS’ car between the critical 8 ¾ hours? [10pm Tue – 6:45am Wed]

2. Would DS' car’s on-board GPS system (if it had one) pinpoint her car’s location at all times?

3. If DS had her cell phone with her the whole time between the critical hours, would cell phone pinging differentiate between DS’s home and the mansion?
4. Did DS drive to the mansion or did she park her car near her own home and walk the few blocks to the mansion? [this could be the difference between temporary insanity and premeditated]

Disclaimer: Questions all based on pure speculation.

Good questions...the houses seem quite close together. IIRC, on the ICA case, the pings depended on location of the towers...so we would need to know that, imo...for instance, iirc, we couldn't tell from pinging alone that ICA was home the morning of the 16th...we could only tell she was near home (computer forensics nailed things down further). The houses being so close together might cause some gray area...depending on tower locations and amount of towers in the area...imo.

ETA: Do different cell phone providers share towers in the US? If we knew who her provider was and they don't share towers, might we be able to round up some info on the net as to WHERE the towers are... ?

[Inobu]

Originally Posted by CalElliot

also thought-provoking. If "nothing was thought-out in this crime," then perhaps EVERYTHING was? Absolutes IMO tend to be interchangeable, same as beginnings and endings.

Yes, insanity genius loop. The distance between the two is only a few thoughts apart.

As you say it could be an extensively thought out plan. The only benefit would be that it has hooks into an insanity plea but insanity is not thought out and any premeditated action would weaken the defense.

Insanity is an impromptu actions that leads to a particular end. The question is does the evidence reveal that.

Going with this theory leads us right back to an in-depth staging this time.....

This case isn't cut and dry as one would expect.

I believe the evidence being made public would not allow for a fair trial hence the secrecy but its bazaar circumstances could have its effect.



Inobu