09-09-2011, 12:44 PM
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I went back and looked at the first page of the first thread in this case and saw something interesting. The linked article is gone, but a quote from the link says the following:
"Lt. Parker says Bloomington Police have Spierers cell phone, which she had left at a different friend’s house earlier in the evening. The phone has yet to provide any leads and Parker says they are not releasing the address of where the cell phone was found."
I think it's more likely than not that that was early misreporting (especially given LE's unwillingness to confirm in the second sentence). But what if it wasn't? Does anyone recall if/when/how it was corrected?
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09-09-2011, 12:51 PM
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I think that's pretty consistent with what I said. However, I don't know that that describes the entire group, or how many members. We have the undenied "rumors" about ZO, for instance, who may not be AEPi - I'm not convinced he was in the confrontation, but I have become more convinced, after re-reviewing things that have been posted elsewhere, that he might relate, at least tangentially, to the case.
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I can't find it, but I thought in the early days of all this, there was a "friend" of JW's posting on his facebook account about having his back or somesuch in regards to the fight. Does anyone else remember anything like that?
Maybe I read that in the comments section of another story, but I thought it was here.
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09-09-2011, 01:00 PM
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I went back and looked at the first page of the first thread in this case and saw something interesting. The linked article is gone, but a quote from the link says the following:
"Lt. Parker says Bloomington Police have Spierers cell phone, which she had left at a different friend’s house earlier in the evening. The phone has yet to provide any leads and Parker says they are not releasing the address of where the cell phone was found."
I think it's more likely than not that that was early misreporting (especially given LE's unwillingness to confirm in the second sentence). But what if it wasn't? Does anyone recall if/when/how it was corrected?
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No, but this may be related to CS's curious comment about when Lauren last used her cell phone!
And, this friend is different than who? Edited to add: JR.
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09-09-2011, 01:02 PM
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This is the actual article, but when it was changed I haven't a clue
http://tinyurl.com/3myhhzt
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09-09-2011, 01:05 PM
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Another interesting quote from the same page and post by Knox:
According to Bloomington Police Lieutenant Bill Parker, Spierer was walking home from a friend’s house a few blocks away. He says Spierer and her friends had been partying but her friends felt it had been several hours since their last drink and she would be fine to walk home on her own.
Sooo...according to this it was more than JR and these friends were drinking with her several hours earlier, at Sports likely.
Lt. Parker was probably taken off the case for giving TMI.
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09-09-2011, 01:09 PM
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As the article contains no mention of the bar, it reinforces my supposition that the friend's house is the author's supposition, and LE did not yet want to give up details re the bar.
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09-09-2011, 01:35 PM
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I think early reporting can account for some mistakes. I am not familiar with the author of the Indiana Public Media s/he may be a student--I'm not implying any less accuracy than say the HT, but just sayin'. I do think Lt. Parker was looser with info which may have resulted in inaccuracy early in the case and this may be why he went bye-bye. Obviously the flow of info slowed then stopped with Qualters.
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09-09-2011, 01:44 PM
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Now THIS by God is interesting
"There's a disconnect between communications provided to the Police Department and the social media chatter related to Lauren's case," her father said. "This (chatter) is not going to the Police Department, and we don't know why."
http://tinyurl.com/3wcnsbu
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09-09-2011, 01:51 PM
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Another interesting quote from the same page and post by Knox:
According to Bloomington Police Lieutenant Bill Parker, Spierer was walking home from a friend’s house a few blocks away. He says Spierer and her friends had been partying but her friends felt it had been several hours since their last drink and she would be fine to walk home on her own.
Sooo...according to this it was more than JR and these friends were drinking with her several hours earlier, at Sports likely.
Lt. Parker was probably taken off the case for giving TMI.
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Good point.
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In other words, if it weren't for the Spierer's keeping track of what's being said on message boards like this, LE wouldn't have a clue about what we have been talking about. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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09-09-2011, 01:56 PM
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(snipped) The fact that he said "IN going up" as opposed to "WHILE going up" makes me think he's not talking about the people walking in the alley with her while she was going up to 5 North. I don't think this phrase was literal. I think it's referring to the time leading up to a situation.
The word "other" could mean:
1. They spoke to acquaintances with her during the time leading up to her going to the OTHER apartment (5 North) in reference to a building, as opposed to SW.
2. They spoke to acquaintances with her during the time leading up to her going to the OTHER apartment AT 5 North (JR's).
I can take this either way.
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09-09-2011, 01:57 PM
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In other words, if it weren't for the Spierer's keeping track of what's being said on message boards like this, LE wouldn't have a clue about what we have been talking about. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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I think that what they're saying is more like POIs' friends, or anonymous commenters, are saying things online about the facts of the night that they have not said to LE.
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09-09-2011, 02:04 PM
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From the same article
At night, they click through emails and check all the news on the case, whether with mainstream media or blogs circulated by a network of supporters and others who discuss real news and rumors related to the disappearance.
"I read everything," Charlene Spierer said.
At times, the Spierers notice comments online that appear to be tips, including one speculating that Lauren Spierer was taken to another state. They share them with police, and officers track them down.
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09-09-2011, 02:28 PM
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ElmoreJames I don't think your fire location is correct. Where are you getting that? Pretty sure it was in town (Martinsville).
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I've seen two different addresses where the fire occurred. Use Google maps, pretty sure the one is located right behind the forest.
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Mamamia-I do feel like some don't want to talk about it because it casts Lauren in a negative light (though I guess some other assumptions made about that night don't?  ) but I really don't mean it that way at all. Ultimately, it isn't something I bring up a lot even though I believe it to be true because I don't think it really directly affects the case. I don't really think JW was involved so it doesn't really matter whether Lauren was 100% in love and dedicated to him so that she would never even CONSIDER or look at another guy.
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Negative light or not, most men especially guys I went to college with wouldn't be concerned with whether or not a girl has a boyfriend. To some people (conceited or confident) a boyfriend is a wall, something that you can just walk around. A girl getting this intoxicated with one guy or a group who are not her boyfriend, aren't really too concerned with her having a boyfriend especially since he isn't present. CR without a doubt knew he had a chance to "hookup" with her whether she was sober or not IMO.
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It's really bothersome to me that we don't know the status of JW. Is he still an undergrad at IU or not? His Facebook says IU '11. And it says he's an intern at a place in NY.
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many college these days allow students to walk in graduation though they are few credits short of officially graduating.
i knew a girl who received a degree from FSU but actually finished her credits at another university in NY.
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but if you look into the company in martinsville you find a coupon image with a white truck with decals similar to the white truck in bloomington that night, anyway the police knows who the truck belongs to, and i think that is a good thing. they said they ruled it out... |
DANG! The back tire looks irregular like THE other one, to me. The police saying they ruled it out earlier doesn't mean it is written in stone or can't be re-introduced. After all, the police early on said they had already searched the landfill, when they actually hadn't.
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Another interesting quote from the same page and post by Knox:
According to Bloomington Police Lieutenant Bill Parker, Spierer was walking home from a friend’s house a few blocks away. He says Spierer and her friends had been partying but her friends felt it had been several hours since their last drink and she would be fine to walk home on her own.
Sooo...according to this it was more than JR and these friends were drinking with her several hours earlier, at Sports likely.
Lt. Parker was probably taken off the case for giving TMI.
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IIRC Qualters was on vacation when the LS story broke. Parker was basically filling in for him. It's too bad Qualters came back IMO. Parker, while somewhat bumbling in nature, was indeed more "open" with the public. I'm sure there were some mis-steps since the case was still new and they may not have been quite sure what they were dealing with.
Once Qualters returned the case shut down--publicy anyway, information-wise-- tighter than a coffin. He still did the PCs, but that man can say so little with so many words! He's a true pro. He should consider a run for public office. 
IMO if BPD really and truly wanted information from the public? They should have kept Parker as the spokesperson in this case.
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DANG! The back tire looks irregular like THE other one, to me. The police saying they ruled it out earlier doesn't mean it is written in stone or can't be re-introduced. After all, the police early on said they had already searched the landfill, when they actually hadn't.
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Did they? I know they said they searched dumpsters early on, but did they lie and say they had searched the landfill? That surprises me, if they did...
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DANG! The back tire looks irregular like THE other one, to me. The police saying they ruled it out earlier doesn't mean it is written in stone or can't be re-introduced. After all, the police early on said they had already searched the landfill, when they actually hadn't.
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Do you have a link for this? 
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I'm pretty sure it was in one of the two news conferences I transcribed and posted... I don't remember which thread #, though. I'll try to find it.
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http://www.theindychannel.com/video/28197690/index.html
Q: "have you checked any dumpsters, landfills?"
Lt. Parker: "we have checked that with negative result, yes"
Don't know that I'd call it a lie, more of a half truth.
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i would imagine he was referring to dumpsters and the transfer station...
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i would imagine he was referring to dumpsters and the transfer station...
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That was my impression, too, but I can see how it could be interpreted differently.
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