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Old 09-16-2011, 05:38 PM
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Why not serve her?It is not like kilroys has anything to fear from the excise police.While approximately 120 citations have been issued at kilroys over the last 18 months the police seam to make sure they issue the tickets outside the bar.This way the police look as though they are doing their job and the bar gets in no trouble.While I do live in another state I have worked the door at bars for a lot of years and never saw the police conduct such an operation.There job was to make sure I did my job and was able to spot phoney ID's.On many occasion they would send an underage person to the door to see if they got served.After all we were the ones with the liquor license and thus the one supplying the alcohol.

http://www.jgmobile.net/article/2011...late=mobileart

Also in the rare cases when the police are almost forced to cite the bar (had to go back to 2006) apparently the punishment is nothing.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-151061675.html
Man, that is upside down. I'm almost ashamed that Bloomington allows the owner to get away with this knowing the kids are going to get wasted and walk outside and get popped. I've been reading comments to this effect over the past several months but I thought people were exaggerating.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:48 PM
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There are a few mines and caves that have caught my interest.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:50 PM
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Thanks Alliecog

I sometimes wonder if LS ultimate destination that night was Sports to be around people and be social and have some fun, with perhaps a secondary motive of meeting up with CR. Some sources report that she was looking for friends in Smallwood after midnight to go to Sports but no one wanted to go. Have you heard this?

Also, once inside do you think underage students are so bold as to pay for drinks with a debit or credit card?

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I heard that a "mutual decision" was made by her friends and roommates that they did not want to join her in going to JR's.

That's a good question about use of their debit cards. I think yes, they would.
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:03 PM
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Then there's the BENNETT STONE QUARRY ST RTE 37 & ST RTE 46
BLOOMINGTON, Indiana.
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:21 PM
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There are a few mines and caves that have caught my interest.
It's interesting that you say this.
Over Labor Day weekend we explored the Lost River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_River_(Indiana) ) and the Wesley Chaple Gulf (that's a bit off-topic, but I'm including the info because I know we have locals on board and it is an interesting area. Worth a day trip!).

The friend who told me about the Lost River system and the Gulf is an avid spelunker. I was wondering if any of local caving clubs were asked for help and advice during the searches? Anyone know?

Here are some useful sites if you plan to do more research on Indiana caves and abandoned mines:

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(397! known cave entrances in Monroe county)

http://ikc.caves.org/index.shtml
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:31 PM
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(apologies if this appeared here earlier - tried to post a better-written, similar note last night and it vanished).

Anyone see Dateline NBC a couple of days ago? It had the story of Bethany Correira, who was sexually assaulted, murdered, and burned in a fire to destroy evidence in an adjacent building by her landlord. The detective on the case had a sister who suffered an almost identical outcome about 20 years earlier.

Brings to mind, the burned barn in Martinsville, IN, just 2 days after LS's disappearance. In my mind, here's the connection (as much as I loathe to make it): LS is Jewish. Her "friends"/POIs were mostly Jewish. Of them, a good number were former AEPis (a Jewish frat house, kicked off campus for bad behavior). A search of the barn's owner on spokeo.com (not necessarily a source I would take to the bank, but nonetheless a possibility) says that he is Jewish, and the business there is tree hauling and trucking. There are not many (any other?) Jews in Martinsville, IN. There are no synagogues there. The town has/had a reputation of being home to the KKK. What are the chances that two catastrophes involving Jewish people who might have tangentially known each other would happen so close in proximity and time to each other? What about JR's late night cell phone ping in Martinsville? Did AEPi ever host a dance/party at this barn? Again, according to spokeo.com, the owner, who is in his 50s has a son of the same name in his 20s.

None of this means that the barn owner knew anything, but the kids involved may have used this property. I also recall reading somewhere that the barn's owner was out of town at the time of the fire. My radar tells me the fire in the barn is a BIG factor here.
I think you are right on the money on this one, when you put two and two together it certainly deserves another look by authorities. Especially since the dump search didn't produce results, hopefully it's not too late to take a closer look into the barn location.
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Man, that is upside down. I'm almost ashamed that Bloomington allows the owner to get away with this knowing the kids are going to get wasted and walk outside and get popped. I've been reading comments to this effect over the past several months but I thought people were exaggerating.
I read early on, that the owners of Kilroy's owned several other properties in BTown and are prominent wealthy citizens. I wish I could get the details, but can't link on my computer.
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Alliecog -- That's interesting that you said Sports was very busy because I read a news report citing one of the bartenders saying it was a slow night (I can dig up the article later). Were you there that night? I had always assumed the article was correct, but given how inaccurate some of the press reports have been, an eyewitness would definitely trump a reporter who wasn't there!
Maybe "it was a slow night", coming from one of the bartenders AFTER Lauren's disappearence was the "company line" for anyone asking...
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:48 PM
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Also, not totally LS related, but I seem to recall that there was somewhat heated discussion on this thread over what, exactly, "hooking up" meant. We're not the only ones:

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2FjvlJ...s-not-all-bad/

Now if we could find some research defining the word "party". Only, I'm pretty sure that study would reach a similar conclusion.
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I heard that a "mutual decision" was made by her friends and roommates that they did not want to join her in going to JR's.

That's a good question about use of their debit cards. I think yes, they would.
That's an interesting phrase ("mutual decision"). May I ask where or from whom you heard it?
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:18 PM
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It's interesting that you say this.
Over Labor Day weekend we explored the Lost River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_River_(Indiana) ) and the Wesley Chaple Gulf (that's a bit off-topic, but I'm including the info because I know we have locals on board and it is an interesting area. Worth a day trip!).

The friend who told me about the Lost River system and the Gulf is an avid spelunker. I was wondering if any of local caving clubs were asked for help and advice during the searches? Anyone know?

Here are some useful sites if you plan to do more research on Indiana caves and abandoned mines:

http://ics.indiana-caves.org/public/dbsum.htm

(397! known cave entrances in Monroe county)

http://ikc.caves.org/index.shtml
I'm also finding various places with sinkholes. One of them is at the Monroe County Airport.
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:50 PM
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That's an interesting phrase ("mutual decision"). May I ask where or from whom you heard it?
It is and that is why I remembered it. Unfortunately I don't remember where, but it was a printed article, possibly LOHUD. I don't think it was a direct quote--it doesn't sound like something they would say, but regardless, the point was a group decision was made. This is how she was the only female at JR's. I wonder if the others knew something Lauren didn't know or they knew but decided they didn't want to partake (e.g., more drugs). I also wonder if the others weren't in collusion.
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I hear you, but when I was in my early twenties, the drinking age in my state was 21. I wanted to take my 19 yo sister along to a bar to hear a band. We didn't even plan to drink. We never thought beer was worth the calories lol. We borrowed our 23 yo cousin's drivers license for her. As you can guess, we were busted for this and our cousin lost her drivers license for 6 months and was fined, which we paid. We were both so mortified about getting our cousin in trouble and never borrowed an id again. So in this case a big fine to the OWNER of the ID will speak loudest to the students and will be the most effective in curbing the real problem.
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I would respectfully disagree.Conducting the ID checks inside the bar and handing the owner of the ID and the owner of the bar a big fine would be the most effective way of curbing the problem.Would also ad that since the majority of the tickets (64%) for fake ID's were written outside Kilroy's IMO the students know which bar their fake ID will work at.
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:29 PM
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Editorial about Kilroys in our local paper for those interested in this topic. http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...qp-0027376.sto

Big Red Liquors store offers a great incentive to its ID checkers: They get bonuses for finding fake ones!

Ugh. Kilroys on Kirkwood is now serving beer with breakfast on Saturday mornings. Long line of kids in waiting last week.

Phantom, I agree with you: Both parties should be fined.
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Editorial about Kilroys in our local paper for those interested in this topic. http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...qp-0027376.sto

Big Red Liquors store offers a great incentive to its ID checkers: They get bonuses for finding fake ones!

Ugh. Kilroys on Kirkwood is now serving beer with breakfast on Saturday mornings. Long line of kids in waiting last week.
Phantom, I agree with you: Both parties should be fined.
Good grief...
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Hiya all! I am a newby here, but I have read Laurens story and one I read was at a forensic astrology site. I wondered if anyone familiar with the area and her case ever looked there as it gives the descriptions to where she was taken to after she went missing. I am curious as well to see if any of these descriptions match the area and the scenario. Its just such a sad thing to happen to anyone.
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I would respectfully disagree.Conducting the ID checks inside the bar and handing the owner of the ID and the owner of the bar a big fine would be the most effective way of curbing the problem.Would also ad that since the majority of the tickets (64%) for fake ID's were written outside Kilroy's IMO the students know which bar their fake ID will work at.
I don't think we disagree. I think the owner of the id and Kilroy's share equally in responsibility for LS entrance to the bar. So I would expect that if it was appropriate to bring up charges on one that charges would be brought up on the other as well.
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Hiya all! I am a newby here, but I have read Laurens story and one I read was at a forensic astrology site. I wondered if anyone familiar with the area and her case ever looked there as it gives the descriptions to where she was taken to after she went missing. I am curious as well to see if any of these descriptions match the area and the scenario. Its just such a sad thing to happen to anyone.
[i] I remember posting a link to this blog on Lauren's case a thread or two back(maybe even more)..

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.co...n-spierer.html

There was also some analysis done here in the now-closed forensic astrology forum. You can still read those threads:

Forensic Astrology - LAUREN SPIERER -Last Seen 6/3/11 Bloomington, IN - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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Editorial about Kilroys in our local paper for those interested in this topic. http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...qp-0027376.sto

Big Red Liquors store offers a great incentive to its ID checkers: They get bonuses for finding fake ones!

Ugh. Kilroys on Kirkwood is now serving beer with breakfast on Saturday mornings. Long line of kids in waiting last week.

Phantom, I agree with you: Both parties should be fined.
Beer & breakfast....eww. Thats just a bit much!
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I'm thinking if LE would just FOLLOW THE PINGS - not many people were awake that late - they'd be that much closer to Lauren.
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Lately I've been researching the courses of study of those who seem to be most closely involved in Lauren's social group. MB for instance, his course of study was telecommunications & Marketing. This course would require him to be very analytical in his thinking, in other words, he would have or wish to have the who, why, when and where to identify customers or profile customers in order to sell a product or service.

Put that sort of mind, together with the SPEA studiers, which would include enviornmental, public health, criminal justice and public affairs and we seem to have a real problem when a young woman is missing and they are the last group to have seen her alive.

I'm attempting to process all this at the moment.
I'm with you mama. The puzzling thing is that MB was apparently the only sober one that night. He appears to be an innocent bystander IMO, but is he? He could get out of the ring of fire rather quick by telling what he knows, what he doesn't know, unless his sobriety was cause for him to be the designated driver of sorts. I'm sure the thought of getting pulled over with a dead body in the trunk, under the influence would warrant impounding the car and then they're busted.

Bold is mine.
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I'm with you mama. The puzzling thing is that MB was apparently the only sober one that night. He appears to be an innocent bystander IMO, but is he? He could get out of the ring of fire rather quick by telling what he knows, what he doesn't know, unless his sobriety was cause for him to be the designated driver of sorts. I'm sure the thought of getting pulled over with a dead body in the trunk, under the influence would warrant impounding the car and then they're busted.

Bold is mine.
I wonder to what extent LE has checked MB out. There would be no need for phone calls, since he lives in the same building as JR. OTOH, his computer would provide info as to whether/when he was working on his papers, I'd think. I've read that he turned them in and all that, but really, they might have been almost done, for as much as we know. From some accounts, LS seems to have spent more time at CR/MB's place than JR's, which is time I'd like to see accounted for.
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Since LE indicated in the beginning that they had as many as 10 POI's, I would imagine they have been checking on the phone records, etc. on all of them, or trying to obtain warrants to do so. They have never said anyone was ruled out.
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Well, while LE stays silent, Lauren's case grows colder by the day.
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I'm doing some updating on my own website, and I came across a student Valerie Hamilton that had gone missing and they located her body in a storage unit. I don't know if LE had thought about doing a search of storage units that belong to IU students, but it's a shot.
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