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Old 10-04-2011, 10:59 AM
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Conrad Murray trial -Day six.

I really like that we can watch these links when the talking heads interupt to share with us what they think and sell us stuff every 10 minutes.
I would rather watch it on TV but when testimony is iterupted it is nice to have a fall back.

Links for watching Online.



TMZ

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13173871051031


NewsStar
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Cnn breaking news video
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Click2Houston
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CNN
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Majicatl
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CNN

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13173872599837
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:25 AM
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None of the fingerprints on propofol bottles found in Michael Jackson's bedroom or in his doctor's possession belonged to the king of pop, sources close to the investigation told ABC News.

That revelation might deal a crippling blow to Dr. Conrad Murray's defense theory that Jackson himself took a lethal dose of propofol and the sedative lorazepam without Murray's knowledge, creating a "perfect storm in his body that killed him instantly." Murray is on trial for Jackson's death and could face four years in prison if convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Conrad_Murr...ry?id=14662986
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:38 AM
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Not looking good at all for the doc.

But I guess the defense is more than welcome to twist anyway they want to. Lol. This is a bad bad deal.

Today should be interesting.
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Question for anyone who knows:

Is Nicole Alvarez related to the security guard, Alberto Alvarez?
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:49 AM
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Question for anyone who knows:

Is Nicole Alvarez related to the security guard, Alberto Alvarez?
I heard her mentioned yesterday and wanted to know the same thing. Murray's girlfriend correct?
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:50 AM
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DT will try to say MJ wore gloves, or the medications was already drawn up or some other such carp!
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:51 AM
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Pharmacist Tim Lopez expected to testify today. Was owner of Applied Pharmacy in LV.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:57 AM
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I heard her mentioned yesterday and wanted to know the same thing. Murray's girlfriend correct?
Yes, she is one of the girlfriends and who he was living with whenever he was in Los Angeles. She is the mother of his latest child. I've seen report the baby was born April 2009 but Beth Karas just said March 2009 so I dk exactly. This is also where the drugs were shipped that he ordered from Tim Lopez. He told Tim Lopez the drugs were for his clinic in Los Angeles but they were actually being shipped to Ms. Alvarez's apartment addressed to a clinic name that supposedly (per Beth Karas) did not exist.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:59 AM
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Per InSessions, delay in court starting due to people running late due to traffic and weather.

Also, he just now said that the lawyers (didn't say which side) had requested to meet with the judge prior to trial starting today and they (all lawyers) are supposedly in chambers with the judge now.
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:03 PM
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Per InSessions, delay in court starting due to people running late due to traffic and weather.

Also, he just now said that the lawyers (didn't say which side) had requested to meet with the judge prior to trial starting today and they (all lawyers) are supposedly in chambers with the judge now.
Oh, wonder what's up?
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None of the fingerprints on propofol bottles found in Michael Jackson's bedroom or in his doctor's possession belonged to the king of pop, sources close to the investigation told ABC News.

That revelation might deal a crippling blow to Dr. Conrad Murray's defense theory that Jackson himself took a lethal dose of propofol and the sedative lorazepam without Murray's knowledge, creating a "perfect storm in his body that killed him instantly." Murray is on trial for Jackson's death and could face four years in prison if convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Conrad_Murr...ry?id=14662986
Hi, Bluesky! Thanks for the link and the info -- I had not heard that little bit of news yet.

Lions & tigers & bears, Oh My, that is BIG, BIG, BIG.

It might send the DT back to the drawing board. Did they not know this already?? Or is this news to them, too?

DrM may have told another big one here -- ya think??!! ::
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:10 PM
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Hi, Bluesky! Thanks for the link and the info -- I had not heard that little bit of news yet.

Lions & tigers & bears, Oh My, that is BIG, BIG, BIG.

It might send the DT back to the drawing board. Did they not know this already?? Or is this news to them, too?

DrM may have told another big one here -- ya think??!! ::
Guess Dr. Murray didn't think ahead to make sure that problem didn't occur.
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:13 PM
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Hi, Bluesky! Thanks for the link and the info -- I had not heard that little bit of news yet.

Lions & tigers & bears, Oh My, that is BIG, BIG, BIG.

It might send the DT back to the drawing board. Did they not know this already?? Or is this news to them, too?

DrM may have told another big one here -- ya think??!! ::
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I don't see how this could possibly be news to the defense. Surely they already knew this.

I just heard Beth Karas say that the the empty pill bottle that MJ supposedly took the pills behind Murray's back was in the bathroom, not the bedroom so they are wanting us to think that MJ got up, walked to the bathroom with his IV attached, took the pills unbeknownst to Dr. Murray, then went back to his bedroom, administered profofol to himself, layed back in bed and died from too much medication. Now, add to that, no fingerprints on the vials or pill bottles (if that proves to be true via testimony), it just doesn't add up to me. We'll have to wait and see how all the testimony unfolds to see if this is what the defense team is saying happened.
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:15 PM
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Trial started..first witness Stacey Ruggles one of Dr. Murray's employees.
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Prosecution asked witness about 2 phone calls, just confirming she spoke to Dr. Murray twice the morning of the 25th. Now cross examine.
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:18 PM
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Murray employed Ms Ruggles to help open a new office in Texas. That office opened in June? He went there every other week.
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I heard her mentioned yesterday and wanted to know the same thing. Murray's girlfriend correct?
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Nicole Alvarez, the mother of Murray's youngest child, may follow them on the witness stand. Her testimony is especially important because the propofol Murray used on Jackson was shipped to her Santa Monica, California, apartment.

Alvarez, 29, who met Murray around 2005 in a Las Vegas gentlemen's club, made it clear when she previously testified that she knew little about the doctor's activities.

"Dr. Murray and I were on a need-to-know basis, and I just know my place and my position in his life," Alvarez said.

Murray called Alvarez from the ambulance as he accompanied Jackson to the hospital, according to testimony in the preliminary hearing.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/justic...-murray-trial/

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Defense asking a lot of questions about the timing of opening office in Houston. I don't see how he can ask these questions on cross since nothing of this sort was asked on direct but prosecution isn't objecting. Def asking about his schedule once the office in Houston was opened in July of 2006 and the difference between the patients seen in each office. Per witness, very different type of patients seen between the two offices, most Houston patients were low income, indigent, etc.

Witness first learned about Dr. Murray going to Europe with MJ. She said she learned April 2009.

Again, don't see how this is not being objected to by prosecution.
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Just wanted to thank you all for keeping me in the loop, as I work from home office, and when taking calls, have to mute my tv.
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DT will try to say MJ wore gloves, or the medications was already drawn up or some other such carp!
The DT would have to show the gloves to the jury and no gloves belonging to MJ were found at his bedside in his room.
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I don't see how this could possibly be news to the defense. Surely they already knew this.

I just heard Beth Karas say that the the empty pill bottle that MJ supposedly took the pills behind Murray's back was in the bathroom, not the bedroom so they are wanting us to think that MJ got up, walked to the bathroom with his IV attached, took the pills unbeknownst to Dr. Murray, then went back to his bedroom, administered profofol to himself, layed back in bed and died from too much medication. Now, add to that, no fingerprints on the vials or pill bottles (if that proves to be true via testimony), it just doesn't add up to me. We'll have to wait and see how all the testimony unfolds to see if this is what the defense team is saying happened.
The empty and partially filled pill bottles in MJ's room were old medications. Isn't it amazing that they float the most impossible and ridiculous theories--guess the TH will jump at anything.

Thanks Bluesky for the article on MJ's prints not on Propofol bottles. I agree Isabelle--the defense will say he used gloves, perhaps that white glittery one.

I don't think Nicole is a relative of Alberto.
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Met Murray in 2008 at a social club. Murray gave her his phone number.

She contacted him on the phone number he gave her.

Prosecutor asked about the type of calls they made, judge stopped that question. They really aren't going into the girlfriend thing.
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Bella met Dr. Murray in Feb 2008 at a social type club. She was working there. Club in Las Vegas. Dr.Murray gave her his phone number the night she met him. (he's quite the player - IMO)

They phoned and text msgs one another. (Prosecution is having to carefully word her questions since she can't ask if this woman was a girlfriend - pretty funny surely the jury notices this)

Prosecution showing phone records now and witness is confirming one of the numbers on the records was hers. She got text message from him on June 25, 2009. She is confirming a voice mail message on June 16, 2009.

Prosecution trying to get a phone message admitted into evidence that was on June 16, defense objected...sidebar.
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